Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

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seven_magnum

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Hi,
I need some help deciding if I should dive into this project or look for something else. I have lots of small boats (14 footers) but do not have anything that makes me feel comfortable on big water. I have been looking for boats for a few months now, and have found a $200 Starcraft Islander. It has no motor, outdrive or trailer, but is in beautiful condition! The floor and transom are both solid, and everything is in very good shape. The hull doesn't seem to have a scratch on it! I guess my question is should I look for a complete package ready to go, or would it be smart to invest in this? What I am looking for is;

1. Boat will handle the Delaware bay. It gets rough out there, and I sometimes would like to venture out into the ocean and fish the wrecks out there.
2. The boat must also trailer easily
3. The boat must be reliable and safe.

I have read about these islanders and they seem to fit the bill. I will use it in fresh water a lot as well, in the Susquehanna river and Raystown Lake. If I buy this boat, I have two options to power it. Would it be best to build a bracket and hang and outboard on that? should I find a cheap downer boat and get the outdrive and engine that way? I would probibly prefer the outboard for the room, but I know my way around an automotive engine much better. The guy that has the boat has a small boat yard, and this is what he would be willing to sell me;

Boat for $200
Trailer for $1000 (maybe I could find one for cheaper?)
Mercury 90 for $2000 (seems small to me? I don't need speed though, just reliability. )
Homemade Bracket for $450 (I would probably spend more on one and build it myself make it more robust, and a swim platform of some sort all in one. I know an excellent aluminum welder who would be more than happy to help out.

I have seen many boats in craislist for $1500 that have 470 mercursers that are advertised as "good running boats." One of them also has a 1991 Loadrite advertised that would probibly work for the islander. It has a 20 foot fiberglass boat on it now. I would probably give the hull away after I had what I wanted or junk it. Would I be better off if I would buy one like that and put the engine and outdrive in the islander? These are both 18foot bowrider type boats, late 80's

So what do you guys think? Would this money well spent on a good fishing boat, or would I be better off if I spent $3000 on say the 20 foot '89 Sunbird cuddy down the road. It's turn key with a 4.3 and OMC outdrive. I am good with a wrench and love the looks of the islander, and the fact that it is bigger. I just don't know if it is worth the money to fix it up compaired to a turn key model like down the road. I know you guys like pictures and it helps to see what Im dealing with. I thank you for your time!

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The trailer he would sell me is on the starcraft next to it. That boat is in the process of being scrapped. I thank you for your time!
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

I would find a donor boat with a bad hull and maybe a good trailer and go for it. ( original type power. you will need to pick your offshore days in that hull.
 

oldsub86

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

I really like the Islander and I have to think that $200 is a really good deal for a decent looking hull.
The problem is that there is going to be a lot of work and time and cost to fix it up.
You need a doner boat with all of the bits and pieces so you don't end up spending a fortune and even more time.
If it were me, I think I would look for the 165 HP inline 6 cylinder Mercruiser as a swap to it.
Any idea what it came with in the first place? The 140 HP inline 4 seems a bit small for a boat that big but being aluminum I suppose it might do.

Do not buy anything that says OMC at this point in time. Stick with the Mercruisers and stay away from the 470 seems to be the general advice on this forum.

Good luck with it.

Randy
 

BobsGlasstream

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

If you like the boat then you have already made your decision. It looks like a good project. Rent / borrow a trailer too get it home and look for a donor boat with motor and trailer that will work. I have bought two or three donor boats for $500 or less, including trailer.
Good luck
Bob
 

Huron Angler

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

I like that boat, nice top on it too:)

Go for it, it's worth way more in scrap value than 200.

A 4.3 Merc would be a good choice to repower.:D
 

ezmobee

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

That is a very nice hull for $200. I would grab it. However, all the other things he's priced for you are way out of line. You can probably get a brand spanking new trailer for that boat for $2k-ish (I just recently got a quote on a new one for my 18' from Conestoga Marine for like $1400). The price he quoted on you that outboard is also most likely double its real value unless it's a pretty new motor. A 90 will not push that hull very well. My friend has a 21' Chieftain with only a 90 and it tops out at 25MPH. I think you want a 140+ for outboard.

Unless you can find a real good deal on an outboard motor and an outboard bracket, I think I'd recommend you find a donor hull with a 4.3 Mercruiser V6 powerplant. OMCs are to be completely avoided as are Mercruiser 470s.

Not sure if you're aware but you've got a number of Starcrafters in your area. Myself, yorkboater, Tim Fives, and coolbikeguy. Three of us are headed to Lake Raystown together this weekend. Here is some pictures of a recent gathering we had at Lake Clarke on the Susq http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/Starcrafts at Long Level/ and of course, there's a HUGE SC following here on iboats. Welcome!
 

Raystownboater

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

Im sure we/you could track down a donor boat with a decent I/O and outdrive and find a useable trailer to bring her home.
 

Raystownboater

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

I need some help deciding if I should dive into this project or look for something else.

:eek::facepalm: Grab it and work out the details later.

If you want to get it home, I'll drop my boat off at Long Level and we can use my trailer to get the boat to your place!
 

timfives

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

Hey,

I live in York Pa and have done a full restore on an islander. I'd be more than happy to have a look at these boats to see how much work will be required. (i know where all the rot hides ;)

PM if you want to get together ever if just for a beer! and we can discuss what it takes to fix'm up

T
 

jasoutside

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

These guys have given you some great advise so far! Here is mine:

Buy it right now!

Find a donor boat that has a nice trailer and good running 4.3 V6 or I6 Mercruiser. Give away the glasser that comes along with this package or just chop it up and throw it away.

Click on the Islander thread in my signature and you'll read about my struggles with the OB on a bracket vs. IO.

Ok, now go, go go!!!!!:D
 

seven_magnum

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

Thank you for all the replies! It seems I should go buy it tomorrow. I was stuck in Baltimore all day today or it would be done by now. He will be fine if I leave it at the boat yard for a while until I can find a trailer to move it. I guess I will need to track down a good donor boat with a 4.3 and alpha one now. I do have a question- if I find a boat with the alpha one, can I build an automotive 4.3 out of a blazer for the boat? I know it would need a marine starter, and possibly a different crank/connecting rods for the rpm. Would this be something to look for? I love to rebuild engines, and a freshly rebuild would help give me piece of mind.

I guess when I get some more details as what is happening with it I will let you guys know. I would be more than happy to trade some beer for advise! :)

Thank you!

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ezmobee

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

Pretty sure you can build a truck 4.3 for marine use. Post up in the Mercruiser section for details.
 

BobsGlasstream

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

Have you bought the Islander yet?
I think you have the right idea now but I would go for a 4.3 or bigger like suggested. The outdrives are geared differently for different engines. I would look for a boat that has the engine you want with the outdrive. the last three boats I bought as donors had 4.3's in them. Boating season is coming to an end. Be pateint
I'm pretty sure ezombee is correct about truck engine too.
good luck with the search
Bob
Go get the Islander:DLOL
 

Raystownboater

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

http://lancaster.craigslist.org/boa/2632323269.html

Here is a motor and an outdrive for $300. I guess the consensus is that motor should be avoided, but maybe I could get a deal on the outdrive? I will keep looking...

He's got the trailer too! You could have the complete package for less than a grand and have the winter to rebuild everything. Not to mention, the outdrive has a stainless steel prop on it.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

http://lancaster.craigslist.org/boa/2632323269.html

Here is a motor and an outdrive for $300. I guess the consensus is that motor should be avoided, but maybe I could get a deal on the outdrive? I will keep looking...

That is not a motor to be avoided. It just might be a little small for your boat.

The one to avoid is the Mercruiser 470. It's got some other names but they were all 3.7L 4 cyl.
 

jasoutside

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Re: Help with Starcraft Islander 221V

I'd try to get maximum bang for buck by searching for a complete package: boat, engine, outdrive, and trailer. Get rid of the boat and keep everything else.

Have fun man!:)
 
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