Help me please... jaja

UConnMRB

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Ok even though I am new to boating and I have a tin boat, I would go on to youtube and invest some time and watch FriscoJarretts's videos (FriscoBoater here, as Jeep Man mentioned). He has videos of almost every step and he does amazing work. I think he has compete series of videos on a couple of boats, so if you have any questions along your journey thats a great video resource to compliment the great resource of iBoats.
 
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Scott Danforth

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the props are repairable for cheap. we can address that later. being stainless props, the props alone are worth what you paid for the boat (even in the condition you have). depending on where you are, there are many quality prop repair shops out there. I use General Propeller here in Bradenton - unfortunately they know me on a first name basis :facepalm:

the outdrive will need some love for the corrosion, we can also address that later.

I would remove the outdrive, then the motor, then separate the cap from the hull to make your restoration a lot easier. pulling the motor will require either a gantry hoist as shown, or some other overhead crane. I myself built a free-standing gantry in my storage unit to pull my motor. I have also used the swingset I built for the kids on a prior boat. my Avanti sat low enough to use my engine hoist.

remember, as you remove things, take pictures, use blue masking tape and permenant markers. get yourself a bunch of ziplock bags for the hardware. label everything.

your restoration will take a bit of time, and a bit of money. I estimate about $1500 in fiberglass materials, plus wood, PPE, etc. when you are done, you will have a great boat for a fraction of what a comparable boat would go for.

ask questions and we can help. Going to subscribe to follow along.
 
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Happy Hump Day to everyone. The more I look at this boat the more it seems achievable but I have a few questions that will truly make me sound like what I am (a boating amateur)

So here we go:
1) So I know the fiberglass shell, top half and bottom half, the stringers running from one side to the other, the fiberglass covering the stringers and other wood studs and framework. Then plywood on top of frame, make little holes in plywood and fill with foam. Lastly fiberglass everything....Is this "the basics"? Am I missing anything?

2) Marine wood ($100) vs. pressure treated wood ($40) vs regular wood ($8). These are rough figures for plywood. I can waterproof and fiberglass regular wood for less than pressure treated and/or marine. Is marine grade wood a major factor? Obviously I have to cough up some money but my pockets have a limit, a very small limit that requires refills every month. lol

3) When I remove the floor, stringers, framework and engine: I keep seeing videos of people (grinding and/or sanding) the fiberglass shell. They mention smoothing out to get a better grip on the new stringers, also space the stringers about 1/4th of an inch away from the fiberglass shell so that it doesn’t sit directly on the shell. Can someone please explain these two thing to me?

4) Now comes the painful question. Is there ever an engine that is completely trash? I saw a few videos on cracked blocks, irreparable corrosion. I’m thinking of taking this engine out and keeping it in my attached garage through the fall and winter, while I rebuild the inside of the boat. So I’m going to tinker with it in my garage and have it connected to water and gas. So my question: is there anything that I should keep an eye out before I work on the engine? What does a cracked block look like?

Please include any mistake or notes that any of you have come across while working on boats. I read all you post and am a very fast learner so even if it seems silly, it may come in handy for me (the guy that knows nothing).
 

Rickmerrill

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On the grinding you just need to abrade the areas that you will glass to so you get a good bond. The phrase "down to good pink fiberglass" is one way to say it. Good meaning there are no voids/delamination when you finish. On the stringers, you would never get 100% contact with the hull along the entire length of the stringer. The places where it was touching are called hard spots and if the hull flexes enough times across a hard spot it will eventually fatigue and crack. So you hold the stringer off the hull and fill it (PB is recommended) with something so you do get 100% contact. Think of standing on a piece of glass sitting on a flat surface, it won't break. Now put a bb under the glass and stand on it. That's a hard spot.
 

GT1000000

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See my responses in colors below...

Happy Hump Day to everyone. The more I look at this boat the more it seems achievable but I have a few questions that will truly make me sound like what I am (a boating amateur)

So here we go:
1) So I know the fiberglass shell, top half and bottom half, the stringers running from one side to the other, the fiberglass covering the stringers and other wood studs and framework. Then plywood on top of frame, make little holes in plywood and fill with foam. Lastly fiberglass everything....Is this "the basics"? Am I missing anything?

Your basics are very close...The top half is considered the cap, the bottom half is called the hull, stringers are actually the part of the frame work of the hull that run front to back, or fore and aft, or bow and stern...any framework that runs side to side is considered a bulkhead...this video I made will give you a little idea as to what's involved in "foaming" the hull...


2) Marine wood ($100) vs. pressure treated wood ($40) vs regular wood ($8). These are rough figures for plywood. I can waterproof and fiberglass regular wood for less than pressure treated and/or marine. Is marine grade wood a major factor? Obviously I have to cough up some money but my pockets have a limit, a very small limit that requires refills every month. lol

ACX plywood is used very often, the price is reasonable and the quality is usually good...there are many types of plywood that can be used, but the biggest thing to look for is the use of a water resistant bonding agent used to make the plywood laminates and minimal to zero voids...Marine grade is one of the better choices as are some of the newer Pressure treated, Kiln-dried plywoods that are extremely resistant to rot, but their costs can be quite high...You should NOT use regular pressure treated wood since it is usually pretty wet with chemicals and the resins will NOT stick to it until it is bone dry, but by then these types of plywoods tend to warp...
Properly sealed wood/plywood of almost any kind can and has been used, but if it isn't sealed up, it will rot and disintegrate quite quickly in the marine environment...


3) When I remove the floor, stringers, framework and engine: I keep seeing videos of people (grinding and/or sanding) the fiberglass shell. They mention smoothing out to get a better grip on the new stringers, also space the stringers about 1/4th of an inch away from the fiberglass shell so that it doesn’t sit directly on the shell. Can someone please explain these two thing to me?

"Rickmerrill" above explained the separation bit and what to look for/how far to grind fiberglass fairly well above^^^...You basically want to grind down to good, fresh glass to expose a fairly smooth surface and lots of pores for the new resin/cloth to get a good mechanical bond too...


4) Now comes the painful question. Is there ever an engine that is completely trash? I saw a few videos on cracked blocks, irreparable corrosion. I’m thinking of taking this engine out and keeping it in my attached garage through the fall and winter, while I rebuild the inside of the boat. So I’m going to tinker with it in my garage and have it connected to water and gas. So my question: is there anything that I should keep an eye out before I work on the engine? What does a cracked block look like?

Yes, they become boat anchors when the repairs far exceed their replacement cost or the life expectancy of the repairs needed to bring it back to serviceable condition...LOL...
Some indications of a cracked block include, but are not limited to...water in the oil, oil in the water, poor compression, fuel in the oil, fuel in the water...most of the time you won't be able to see an internal crack in a block or head until the engine is completely disassembled...what I mentioned in my previous post, above, are all things you should look for in diagnosing and preparing your engine before you attempt to start it...some or all of those will give you a fair indication of the general health of your engine and drive...


Please include any mistake or notes that any of you have come across while working on boats. I read all you post and am a very fast learner so even if it seems silly, it may come in handy for me (the guy that knows nothing).
 

bigdirty

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Well... you got quite a project ahead of you Confused.. but it'll be worth it in the end! :) yup, you could sell that drive, as it sits, for 2-3 times what you have 'into' the boat. Nice newer lines though, all cleaned up and new, she will be quite nice i think..

As far as the motor goes, I'd likely try get it running in the boat, if you can.. if not, pull out and set on the shop floor and do a basic inspection/clean up on it.. if it isn't seized or visibly cracked on the outside, I'd test run it on the floor. My current boat had cracks in both manifolds, but the block somehow survived and she runs great, no water in the oil. My Ol dirty bayliner LOOKED just fine on the outside of the engine.. then I pulled 12 liters of water out of the oil pan this past spring.. :facepalm:

Anyway, If all is well with your motor, you can put it aside and carry on with the project. If it IS cracked, pissed out, all blown up, :lol: well, you can make the decision to rebuild, or start searching for another power plant, and then carry on with the de-cap-itation of the boat and get on with the transom and stringer and fiberglass and itching mess... er, all the fun! :laugh:
 
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atjohnson

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Permission to hop aboard?

Great looking boat. Looks like you have your work cut out.
 

nurseman

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Mind if I follow along? Nice looking boat you have there! Good luck on your rebuild!
 
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Sitting at my desk in my office and I'm ready for this day to end!! So much to do, so little time. Sometimes I stare at the boat and think it's too much to handle but then I see my kids and they are so excited so I must push forward. My three year old daughter has been watching too many episodes of crocodile hunters, she wants to go catch some alligators and crocodiles. There was an ant on the boat and she wouldn’t climb onto the boat until the ant moved, so I killed the ant thinking she was scared of it. I got yelled at because it was a friendly ant and she was letting it pass…

Yet she wants to kill alligators?

Update: I cleaned out my garage this week and am refocusing my attention to the engine. I'll be cleaning the deck, live well and gas tank area to remove any debris, leaves and dirt. I don't want dirt and leaves clogging up any pumps or drains.

Once I clean it out, I will reinstall the gas tank, flush all the other fluids and clean all the lines. I plan on trying to reuse most of what's there unless it looks like it needs to be replaced which brings me to my first question. Where can I find marine lines in general, if I find I need something? Would autozones, advanced auto parts etc. be able to find these?

I have decided to not remove the cap just yet. I have limited funds at the moment and need to make sure this engine is working before I restore the inside. The floor is more spongy then rotten. The rotten parts came out very easy. The rest is like pulling teeth. The remaining portion of the deck is still strong enough to attach a temporary floor so I’ll be waiting until I have more spending cash to take it completely apart. I will remove the rest of the interior and the platform over the engine so that I have more space to maneuver around while cleaning the grime off of the engine.

Next question, is cleaning the inside of fluid lines actually possible, in an attempt to reduce the possibility of gunked up crap finding its way into the engine, or should I just replace?
 

Rickmerrill

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Don't use automotive for fuel lines on boats. You'll be surprised how much marine hoses cost; you can find them online.
 

GT1000000

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Spongy indicates rot, so forget about it...
You can flush fuel lines and such, but since about 10-15 years ago, fuel companies started adding ethanol to fuel which tends to deteriorate fuel hoses that are not chemically designed to withstand the detrimental effects of ethanol...what that means is that small rubber particles can easily be introduced into your fuel system from the deterioration of the rubber fuel hoses and cause a myriad of problems, especially in the carburetors or fuel injectors...the fuel metering passages a usually very minute, we are talking about a few thousandths of an inch openings, and they can easily become clogged and cause all kinds of headaches in an engine...
If you want to save a few dollars, you can remove the fuel lines and flush them out with fresh fuel then re-install them...that will not guarantee that some contaminants may not have already gotten into the system...
If you decide to replace the fuel lines, the newer lines available from a Marine supply house, like Iboats.com, are available in an Ethanol Resistant type.
Most auto parts stores will look at you with blank stares if you ask for anything marine rated...
As I said before, ensuring that the engine and drive are in good condition now, would be your wisest move, since that is a major part of the expense of a boat...
Knowing that you have a good drive line is a major step forward in making the restoration of the hull a more practical endeavor...
Good Luck...
 
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