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I would be one of those that have been very disappointed with Bush as of late. Even before the hurricane I had been thinking that I wished his term were over. Seems that he is just spinning his wheels.<br /><br />This latest round of proposed tax cuts just boggles me. I am all for cutting tax's, but the way things are right now, I just dont get it. Got to be a lot of smoke and mirrors
 

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You can fool some people all of the time and you can fool most people some of the time,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
 

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Evidence that the media are really running the country.
 

oddjob

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Yeah! whats up with them tax cuts?..Bush is a DANG JERK I tell ya.. :rolleyes:
 

kenimpzoom

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Evidence that the media are really running the country.
Yep! and the sheeple are buying the media BS.<br /><br />Ken
 

Ralph 123

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Saturday September 10, 2005<br /><br />--Forty-eight percent (48%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President.<br /><br />Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.<br /><br />Eighty-four percent (84%) of Republicans now give the President their Approval. That positive assessment is shared by 20% of Democrats and 38% of those not affiliated with either major party<br /> <br /><br /> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm <br /><br />
You can fool some people all of the time and you can fool most people some of the time,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
You got that right Rolmops - ROFLMAO!
 

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Evidence that the media are really running the country
Intersting JB. When people think that Clinton did a poor job, it is because you all know what you are talking about. When we believe Bush is doing poor job, the media is responsible for it. What a bunch of BS. <br /><br />Regardless of what you think, we do have the ability to think for ourselves. Just take a look at everything that is going on in our country right now, from the handling of the NO disaster to inflation, to the deficit, to oil prices, people being killed in Iraq in the name of WMD's. All of this while N. Korea tests and builds morenukes with no reaction. Sanctions you say, evidently they have not cared about them for a long time. You think all of this is ok, fine. I do not think that any of it is ok. You say it has little to do with Bush, I say BS. He's the man at the head of this country right now. IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILITY. Stop blaiming his poor performance on the media. They only report it. You don't believe any of it, again fine. I know people are dying in Iraq, I know what our deficit is, I know what I pay at the pump, we all know NO is out of control because of a slow response. The media has played zero role in these things I just spoke of. Did they make up the words I heard come out of the mayor of NO mouth? <br /><br />Hmmm, I don't remember discussing any of these things during Clinton's term. The only thing you all could scream about is a soiled dress. <br /><br />Even though you wish we believed differently, the fact is that you are part of the minority now. Those that believe Bush is performing well, that is. He's not, and it is not the fault of the media. Unless of course that is where he is going for advise. :) He is definately getting bad advice from somewhere. He ran his oil operation into the ground and now he is doing it to our country.
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br />
... He ran his oil operation into the ground ...
... not to mention what he did to his baseball team. ;) <br /><br />cite a source regarding the oil operation, please.<br /><br />thanks,
 

KRS

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Come on OddJob... let's sing something patriotic... you lead off!....
 

txswinner

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Anyone catch Colin Powell's remarks yesterday about the regrets he has about the speech on WMD to the UN. Damn shame to see him hang his head. <br /><br />Guess his honesty got him fired as Sec. of State. He also commented yesterday that we went to Iraq impulsively, without enough troops, without good military planning, continued without enough troops to squelch the terrorist in the country, poor preparation of battle equipment and no exit plan.<br /><br />With a most stressful appearance he closed with "this cost us many of our best young troop because we rushed the operation without complete and total intelligence and planning, and for that I am remorseful."
 

KRS

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Yes, I agree TXS, with 8 years of the Clinton white house... we lost LOTS of our intelligence and planning.
 

CJY

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Hey Ken,<br /><br />every time I see your pic, it reminds me of that skit on SNL. We need to hear the BOC song associated with it. Can you do that?
 

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Do not think that is exactly what Powell was referring to but your limited vision and comments are always appreciated. Oh he never mentioned Clinton, wonder why.
 

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NEW YORK, Sept. 9 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told ABC News lower-level intelligence personnel failed the country in giving information about Iraq.<br /><br />Powell, in an interview to be aired on ABC's "20/20," said his reputation was tarnished by the speech he gave at the United Nations prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. In that speech Powell made a strong case that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction, allegations that proved wrong.<br /><br />"It's a blot," Powell said of the speech. "I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world and (it) will always be part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."<br /><br />Powell told ABC he did not blame former CIA Director George Tenet for the wrong information but, "There were some people in the intelligence community who knew at that time that some of these sources were not good and shouldn't be relied upon, and they didn't speak up."<br /><br />The former general said that while he's "always a reluctant warrior," when President Bush "decided it was not tolerable for this (Iraqi) regime to remain in violation of all these U.N. resolutions, I'm right there with him in the use of force."
 

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WMD a painful blot, says Powell<br />By Francis Harris in Washington<br />September 11, 2005<br />The Sun-Herald<br /><br />Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state who told the United Nations that Saddam Hussein was concealing weapons of mass destruction, has conceded the assertion will always be a "painful blot" on his record.<br /><br />During a lengthy TV chat with Barbara Walters, the queen of the serious interview, Mr Powell tried to explain how the West had made mistakes in the run-up to war.<br /><br />Asked whether the statement about WMD tarnished his reputation, the former general responded: "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now." The soldier-statesman made a dramatic and detailed presentation to the UN Security Council a month before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. It relied on the extensive use of intelligence material, which later turned out to be inaccurate.<br /><br />That fuelled allegations from Europeans and American liberals that, as the moderate face of a hardline administration, he had allowed himself to be misused.<br /><br />But during the interview Mr Powell was unwilling to apologise or blame other senior figures. In particular, he refused to attack George Tenet, the former CIA director whose agency provided him with poor information during a week-long briefing before his Security Council speech. "He didn't sit there for five days with me, misleading me," Mr Powell said. "He believed what he was giving me was accurate . . . the intelligence system did not work well."<br /><br />Instead he blamed intelligence officers further down the chain of command, who harboured doubts about the quality of the West's intelligence but remained silent.<br /><br />"There were some people in the intelligence community who knew at the time that some of these sources were not good and shouldn't be relied upon and didn't speak out," he said. "That devastated me."<br /><br />Mr Powell left office at the end of Mr Bush's first term earlier this year. The Washington rumour mill suggested that he was surprised that Mr Bush accepted his resignation while his rival for influence, Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, had stayed. But there was no sign of disloyalty during the interview. When Mrs Walters tried to tease from him an admission that the Iraq war had been a bad idea, he said: "Who knew what the whole mess was going to be like?"<br /><br />"I'm always a reluctant warrior and I don't resent the term, I admire the term," he said. "But when the President decided that it was not tolerable for this regime to remain in violation of all these UN resolutions, I'm right there with him on the use of force."<br /><br />Asked whether he had put loyalty to the President above his own judgment, Mr Powell said he had not: "Loyalty is a trait that I value and yes, I am loyal. And there are some who say, 'Well, you shouldn't have supported it. You should have resigned'. But I'm glad that Saddam is gone. I'm glad that that regime is gone."
 

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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=1105979 <br /><br />Colin Powell on Iraq, Race, and Hurricane Relief<br />Former Secretary of State Speaks Out on Being Loyal -- and Being Wrong<br /><br />Sep. 9, 2005 - In 35 years of service as a soldier, Colin Powell earned a reputation as the quintessential disciplined warrior. As secretary of state in President Bush's first term, Powell was widely seen as a disciplined, moderate -- and loyal -- voice for the administration. Now out of government service, Powell is airing openly his disappointments and frustration on everything from the invasion of Iraq to the federal response to Hurricane Katrina. <br /><br />Powell, 68, who recently visited storm survivors at Reunion Arena in Dallas, said he was "deeply moved" by the families displaced by the devastating storm and was critical of the preparations for Hurricane Katrina. "I think there have been a lot of failures at a lot of levels -- local, state and federal. There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans. Not enough was done. I don't think advantage was taken of the time that was available to us, and I just don't know why," Powell told ABC News' Barbara Walters in an exclusive interview for "20/20."<br /><br />Powell doesn't think race was a factor in the slow delivery of relief to the hurricane victims as some have suggested. "I don't think it's racism, I think it's economic," he told Walters. <br /><br />"When you look at those who weren't able to get out, it should have been a blinding flash of the obvious to everybody that when you order a mandatory evacuation, you can't expect everybody to evacuate on their own. These are people who don't have credit cards; only one in 10 families at that economic level in New Orleans have a car. So it wasn't a racial thing -- but poverty disproportionately affects African-Americans in this country. And it happened because they were poor," he said. <br /><br /><br />Making False Case for Iraq War a 'Blot' on Record<br />When Powell left the Bush administration in January 2005, he was widely seen as having been at odds with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President **** Cheney over foreign policy choices. <br /><br />It was Powell who told the United Nations and the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat. He told Walters that he feels "terrible" about the claims he made in that now-infamous address -- assertions that later proved to be false. <br /><br />When asked if he feels it has tarnished his reputation, he said, "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."<br /><br />He doesn't blame former CIA Director George Tenet for the misleading information he says he pored over for days before delivering his speech; he faults the intelligence system.<br /><br />"George Tenet did not sit there for five days with me misleading me. He believed what he was giving to me was accurate. … The intelligence system did not work well," he said. <br /><br />Nonetheless, Powell said, some lower-level personnel in the intelligence community failed him and the country. "There were some people in the intelligence community who knew at that time that some of these sources were not good, and shouldn't be relied upon, and they didn't speak up. That devastated me," he said.<br /><br />While Powell ultimately supported the president's decision to invade Iraq, he acknowledges that he was hesitant about waging war. "I'm always a reluctant warrior. And I don't resent the term, I admire the term, but when the president decided that it was not tolerable for this regime to remain in violation of all these U.N. resolutions, I'm right there with him with the use of force," he said.<br /><br />Powell told Walters he is unfazed by criticism that he put loyalty to the president over leadership. "Loyalty is a trait that I value, and yes, I am loyal. And there are some who say, 'Well, you shouldn't have supported it. You should have resigned.' But I'm glad that Saddam Hussein is gone. I'm glad that that regime is gone," he said.<br /><br />When Walters pressed Powell about that support, given the "mess" that the invasion has yielded, Powell said, "Who knew what the whole mess was going to be like?"<br /><br />While he said he is glad that Saddam's regime was toppled, Powell acknowledged that he has seen no evidence of a link between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terrorist attack. "I have never seen a connection. ... I can't think otherwise because I'd never seen evidence to suggest there was one," he told Walters. <br /><br />Despite his differences with the administration, Powell said he never considered resigning in protest. "I'm not a quitter. And it wasn't a moral issue, or an act of a failure of an active leadership. It was knowing what we were heading into, and when the going got rough, you don't walk out," he told Walters. <br /><br /><br />Stay the Course in Iraq<br />When asked what steps he would take in Iraq, Powell said, "I think there is little choice but to keep investing in the Iraqi armed forces, and to do everything we can to increase their size and their capability and their strength," he said.<br /><br />Still, he questions some of the administration's post-invasion planning. "What we didn't do in the immediate aftermath of the war was to impose our will on the whole country, with enough troops of our own, with enough troops from coalition forces, or, by re-creating the Iraqi forces, armed forces, more quickly than we are doing now. And it may not have turned out to be such a mess if we had done some things differently. But it is now a difficult situation, but difficult situations are there to be worked on and solved, not walked away from, not cutting and running from."<br /><br />Powell said he is sensitive to Cindy Sheehan and other mothers and family members whose loved ones have been wounded or killed in Iraq, but stressed that soldiers are risking their lives for a worthy purpose. When asked what he would say to Sheehan, who has grabbed media attention with her daily anti-war protests near Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch, he told Walters he'd tell her what he'd tell any mother who suffered such a loss: "We regret the loss, but your loved one died in service to the nation and in service to the cause."<br /><br />He acknowledged that the pain of losing a loved one would be heightened if a family feels the war is unjust. "If they don't feel the war is just, then they'll always feel that it is a deep personal loss and I sympathize with Ms. Sheehan. But this is not over. This conflict is not over, and the alternative to what I just described is essentially saying, 'Nevermind, we're leaving.' And I don't think that is an option for the United States."
 

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Humm... that's interesting now isn't it? Good Liberals never let the truth get in the way of their ideology.
 

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I think it's funny that everybody worries about bush's approval rating, and they're always talking about it on the news. Bush doesn't care one bit, he's already been reelected. :D He probably sits in his office and laughs his *** off about it...
 
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