Gun ownership and permits.

[FLATHEAD]

Not at all worried about that in KY and surrounding States

Maybe you’re not worried but you should educate yourself about it. KY is a castle doctrine state. Stand your ground. PA is similar. The problem is anyone can drag you in to court and they will even if the police don’t charge you. Either the person you shot or family members, even bystanders. When that happens you have no choice but to defend yourself and not being charged is by no means an automatic get off the hook. What happens after a self defense situation is a big part of gun ownership lots of people are not educated on. There can and will be legal issues you’ll need a lawyer for. Peoples lives have been ruined after defending themselves.

 

[jlh3rd]

Where I lived there are many gun owners. The government does the usual background checks so guns stay out of the hands that should not hold them. But once you have the gun there are a few rules that are interesting.
Every gun owner has to renew his license every so often and once a year every owner has to show up at a certified rifle range. At the range. a gun safety refreshing course , usually like a 30 to 40 minute deal must be attended. Each gun undergoes an inspection to see if it is in good shape and well maintained. At the firing range the loading and unloading practice is retaught and there is some target practice. Whoever does not come to these refresher courses has his license revoked. What do you think about this?

I think it's an infringement on my second amendment rights to keep and bear arms.
Hoops to jump over....and I pay for all that, correct?

 

[alldodge]

Maybe you’re not worried but you should educate yourself about it. KY is a castle doctrine state. Stand your ground. PA is similar. The problem is anyone can drag you in to court and they will even if the police don’t charge you. Either the person you shot or family members, even bystanders. When that happens you have no choice but to defend yourself and not being charged is by no means an automatic get off the hook. What happens after a self defense situation is a big part of gun ownership lots of people are not educated on. There can and will be legal issues you’ll need a lawyer for. Peoples lives have been ruined after defending themselves.

Your assuming

 

[tphoyt]

In my state I have to renew my Ltc every 5 years.
I only had to take the safety course for the first issue. That was 30 years ago. Not the best plan for people that don’t practice from time to time.

 

[jlh3rd]

Not at all worried about that in KY and surrounding States

as long as you understand that although you may be perfectly in the right in a self defense situation, you can still incur legal costs.
I live in Pa., belong to a "legal protection organization" and attend "using force" seminars. I'm willing to bet that most legal firearms owners do not understand when and where lethal force is appropriate.
It is a huge responsibility to own and use a firearm.
Be sure you understand that.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Your assuming

I’m assuming nothing. Not wanting this thread to shut down. I’ll refrain.

 

[alldodge]

I’m assuming nothing. Not wanting this thread to shut down. I’ll refrain.

Sir, you made the statement

Maybe you’re not worried but you should educate yourself about it. KY is a castle doctrine state.

I have and still keep up with it, so you are assuming I do not know

 

[JonBoat55]

Do not have any Assault type (never did and still do not know anyone which "needs" them other then LEO).

Oh boy, I thought we werent trying to get this thread locked down...

 

[jlh3rd]

lol...yeah....
I don't believe that someone has the "right" to limit my choice and decides as to what I "need" for my self defense.
What is an "assault type" weapon?

 

[aspeck]

Careful, guys ... we are getting close to "No Go" area. Let's keep this a discussion, not an argument. Inform, but don't attack ...

 

[FLATHEAD]

Sir, you made the statement

I have and still keep up with it, so you are assuming I do not know

I did make that statement. Not trying to be argumentative here at all. Last thing I want is this thread to get shut down. Maybe I jumped the gun. I think the purpose of this thread is to share knowledge of laws in different states. If you could share with us why in Ky and other states being held liable for a self defense shooting isn’t a thing to worry about? Are there some sort of protections built into the law?

 

[southkogs]

I'm not sure how Kentucky works now, but if you want to know for Tennessee: we're a right to carry state. You don't need any permitting to own or carry an arm here in Tennessee (open or concealed).

It's true, I think in all the states but at least here in Tennessee, that I am responsible for bullets that I discharge from my firearm. So, even defensively I need to understand what I am - or may - going to hit.

As an aside: I don't recommend that anyone carry a firearm because they are "afraid" or "concerned" for safety. In my opinion that's a recipe for trouble. And I've lived in big cities (Detroit for 27 years) and smaller rural areas (Canon County, Tennessee for 4 years). I do understand the liabilities and the risks involved with carrying, but I do believe that overall the benefits outweigh the risks.

 

[tphoyt]

I was thinking back to when I lived in FL.
Fl tried an open carry law back in the mid to late 80’s. Everyone was walking around with a side arm. It lasted about a week and they decided it was a bad idea. It was like the Wild West.
Now in Ma even though I’m licensed to carry and conceal if I were to walk into say a grocery store while open carrying and someone was not ok with that I could still end up in court. The laws and rules need to looked at very carefully.

 

[aspeck]

One thing the gun community needs to understand is that while the Constitution gives the people the right to bear arms, the owners of establishments also have the right to limit what they allow on/in their property. There needs to be a mutual respect. My rights do not supersede your rights. That sometimes gets both sides into trouble.

Yes, I have a Conceal Carry Permit. Yes, I conceal carry some/most of the time. Yes, I practice and try my best to stay current of the laws and regulations, and yes, I came very close to having to pull my weapon once. However, the situation was de-escalated and no one was injured, arrested, jailed, or sued, but it was close. Those that knew me were watching closely and following my lead. I knew the responsibility that had held and didn't really care if I was hurt, but you were not going to hurt the people around me.

Anyway, there are a lot of emotions concerning long guns, hand guns, and the often misrepresented "assault weapons." Most of the said assault weapons are just semi-automatic hunting rifles that are black with modifications to make the "look cool" and expanded magazines to hold more ammo.

 

[FLATHEAD]

I was thinking back to when I lived in FL.
Fl tried an open carry law back in the mid to late 80’s. Everyone was walking around with a side arm. It lasted about a week and they decided it was a bad idea. It was like the Wild West.
Now in Ma even though I’m licensed to carry and conceal if I were to walk into say a grocery store while open carrying and someone was not ok with that I could still end up in court. The laws and rules need to looked at very carefully.

Pa is also open carry. Rarely do I see anyone doing it. Once in a while.

 

[southkogs]

Tennessee was a "carry" state even before we went to right to carry. So, under a TN carry permit you could carry open or concealed (your choice). Occasionally I'd see someone carry open, but not too often. And generally speaking no one really said too much about it. That's probably different in Nashville, Knoxville & Memphis (in terms of people being more uncomfortable), but since we've gone to right to carry I've seen little to no change in the state.

Haven't looked at stats though.

 

[alldodge]

KY is open or concealed same as TN.
Cannot carry open or concealed in any establishment that post not allowed
Both stand your ground and castle doctrine are used in self defense

I am responsible for any rounds which I fire no matter where they end up. Yes anyone can be sewed for anything they do and not do

I have concealed permit for two reasons, Can buy any gun at anytime and if I go to another state to see if reciprocity is extended. I carry when I go to Louisville to see the grand kids but not much any other time.

Scariest thing IMO is a scared LEO. If they are scared you can be dead doing nothing at all. I still and always will back the blue, but I'll take coming up on a crazed killer then a scared LEO any day

I do try to stay up on rules if I plan to cross or stop in another state. As example, few years ago I needed to cross and stay over night in a hotel in Illinois. Found there was no reciprocity agreement with KY. I stopped just short of the state line and unloaded, partly disassembled and placed rounds and gun in 2 different lock boxes, and 2 different locations.

Later I found out IL passed a law which allowed those in other states to cross and stay over night if they were just transiting. Now the issue comes down to if stopped does the local LEO know about the law. So there is a choice if someone decides to do it

 

[rolmops]

All those different laws sound like a potential hornets nest. It is almost as if any law abiding citizen needs a law degree if he chooses to own a gun. When still in Israel I had my m16 4 hand grenades and all my tactical gear sitting in the cupboard next to the front door. Now that I am here I have absolutely no desire to carry or own a gun.

 

[jlh3rd]

you wanna tell me why you're banning my posts!...huh?

 

[alldodge]

you wanna tell me why you're banning my posts!...huh?

This discussion has nothing to do with the 2nd, nor does it have anything to do with what someone can or cannot do with entering a place that says no weapons