Gel coat

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Re: Gel coat

to 326 fiirefighter....please do not judge this forum by this thread.

the reason i joined this forum years ago was because the people were/are very friendly and gave me super help. this thread is just way off the rails, but so far there is no direct reason for the mods to close it.

i have met over 50 iboaters in person now and some of them are very good friends......in fact...last night i ate supper with a visiting out of town iboater....it was great fun to talk face to face again....in fact he and his family are going to vacation on the lake we live on. we have allready planned to take his kids tubing on our lake for july4th.

this is a fantastic forum.

cheers
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Considering the thousands upon thousands of posts on these forums, the right way of doing things is usually either trampled into dust or ignored completely.

Rustoleum and PL Premium are king around these parts. Anything else is heresy. The right product for the job is probably a few bucks more and therefore a witch. Burn it.

shife.....

the correct way and the correct materials are allways given on this forum.......in a lot of cases, the orignal poster just wants to go fishing or get his boat on the water asap. and usually does not have the 7,5k to bring his boat to bondo me or yd or other pros here to have it fixed......this is why the forum helps do it yourself-ers. we will also guide them into doing it best they can with out compromising safety for the lives of the people on there boat in the future........to my knowlage.....not one repair suggested on this forum has failed causing catastrophic failure.

if the OP wants to use the correct materials, we do and have told them what the materials are and how to use them. in fact....if i remember correctly....you are one of them !

by the way.....rustolieum has proven to stand up (with correct prep) for 5 years on a lake boat....and is showing no signs of wear.
PL premium is chemically exactly the same product as 3m 5200.....less one ingredient....the one ingredient is not necessary in the process of boat building.......and the cost difference is substantial....so PL is a great alternative if a person doen not want to spend 25 bux a tube when 7 will be the same
 

Yacht Dr.

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Thanks guys for the info, I believe I will have it clear coated then.

Do you have any pics ?

Clearcoating might not be the best way..

Do you want that "bass boat heavy metalic" ?

repaired or full gel ?

Carefull about the application of full clear-gel .. Make sure they Know what there doing or your going to have some problems in the near future..

YD.
 

proshadetree

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Ok Yd what is up with clear full gel? That is what I used on the red seat pictured. Dont mean to highjack just gain some info. And nobody take their boat to OPPS he will cut it in half with a chain saw:eek: Sorry haven't picked on opps in a while
 

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Ok Yd what is up with clear full gel? That is what I used on the red seat pictured. Dont mean to highjack just gain some info. And nobody take their boat to OPPS he will cut it in half with a chain saw:eek: Sorry haven't picked on opps in a while

Hey .. no problem..

What did you use to clear coat ?

Have you had exp on just clear coating over with Gel ?...

Are you one of those that can Clear over with gel..without a few years it goes to yellow or fail on ya ?

Because..IMO..IMexperiance..Clear..just Clearcoating over time happens to do crazy yellowing or crazing..

Did you figure the Right mix with post clear ? .. please tell us how you did it..

Because I would Never accept Anything that didnt last without some kind of telling the prospect " It might not last as long as you want".

If you want to clear-gel .. then it might be time to Paint... IMO..

Clear Metallics are WAY WAY difficult..do you tell them that ?.. or do you suggest a full gel Clear ? .. I have not..Ever..

I dont mean to be so harsh..but this is Iboats ..its not about whos the best on what or whatever.. No Beginner is going to/or should think about Full regellclear m8. If they do..then I guess more is needed ..

YD.
 

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I used gel with flake then clear gel with duratech aditive It sucked as you can see. I still want to do the whole boat. I thought my problem was the 2.5 gun. Now you have me questioning my approach. And yes clear metallic are a pain. So you suggest I dont try to redo my flake? Only been done about two years sitting in the weather, looks good so far but I sure do not want to spend the time and money just to have it bust off or look like crud. Thats why I asked whats up with clear gel.
 

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Ok Yd what is up with clear full gel? That is what I used on the red seat pictured. Dont mean to highjack just gain some info. And nobody take their boat to OPPS he will cut it in half with a chain saw:eek: Sorry haven't picked on opps in a while

dont mean to chime in on a question directed at YD.....but clear gellcoat was actually manufactured for a different puporse than boats.
it was made for casting composits. things like cultured marble, granite or onyx.
gellcoat gets uv protection from its pigment, marble clear gellcoat has no pigment......so...no uv protection.......that is why it yellows after a few years on boats.

and pro....you can make all the chain saw jokes about me you want.....lol.
 

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Wow now I have picked on the one helping me stupid, stupid stupid. Never kick the butt you may have to kiss tomorrow. Ok the question How do I get the bass boat look? Like I stated before I used straight clear gel with flake then gel and duratec. 2.5 tip stank. I was hopeful a 4.5 would atomize the spray better to spread the flake and help to self level the gel.

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This is the boat
 

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Re: Gel coat

Considering the thousands upon thousands of posts on these forums, the right way of doing things is usually either trampled into dust or ignored completely.

Rustoleum and PL Premium are king around these parts. Anything else is heresy. The right product for the job is probably a few bucks more and therefore a witch. Burn it.


What you say is fairly accurate, but what may be the best method of repair in one scenario may not be in the next one.

Many of the boats discussed here have little or no value even after having been fixed, plus they aren't the type of boat someone is going to keep for a long period of time, even though most people think they will keep it for decades when the work is being done. To do the work "correctly" (correctly would be a method that a professional could warranty would hold up for a very long period of time) can take a great deal of time and money. Many of the boats here were purchased for a couple hundred bucks and the budget to fix them is even less, so to make them usable again in the "correct" method would make the project out of reach for most.

Most of the suggestions given here are based on what the boat owner can afford and is capable of doing, plus what makes sense for the project. To say that a sprayed Awlgrip paint job is needed on a 40 year old 15' tri hull that will be outgrown in a year or two, or on a 12' aluminum fishing boat, would be extreme over kill. Just about any paint will hold up for a couple of years even if the boat sits outside under a tree and safety is not compromised by using a low cost paint. Nor would it pay to re-gel coat it.

As far as using PL for bedding stringers, most small boats builders use nothing to bed the stringers, they just sit on the hull, and bedding them really isn't a factor in safety, so what's used (or not used) makes little difference.

People are always informed of the best method to do the glass work, at least from what the experts here understand from the descriptions and pic's provided in the post. Here safety is the critical factor, and I don't see people receiving poor information. Now you can debate the epoxy verses polyester issue, but in reality for most of the boats being discussed on this forum its not going to make the slightest bit of difference which resin is used.

As far as plywood goes, I don't recommend any type, I only say what I use, but I feel to buy top of the line marine ply for a project boat that will only be used for a couple years could be considered overkill again. Even though many of these boats were built new with low cost plywood and poor laminating methods, they held up for at least 10 years without problems, many lasted 20+ years and were still in service when the rot was found. When I say in service, I mean the owner had no clue the stringers and transom were pulp, they only found this out when they went to fix a soft spot in the floor, or replace the carpet. Not that operating a boat with rotten stringers and transom is safe, just that most boats continue to function without issues until the wood is almost completely gone.


Now if someone asked about repairing a boat of great value that was still going to be of value for a long time into the future if fixed "correctly", then the answers and suggestions would most likely be different.
 

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gellcoat gets uv protection from its pigment, marble clear gellcoat has no pigment......so...no uv protection..

If your talking about Marine grade Clear gelcoat..then hate to say it..but your incorrect..It has UV protection.

Back to the origional question here :)

Still looking for answers to post #23 please :).

YD.
 
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