Gale 5D10B

[ohm116]

Hello, new to the forum, I picked up a Gale Buccaneer 5D10B today and have been looking around for info on parts. I well be replacing the usual stuff, coil, points, condenser and impeller. The coils, condensers and points look to be the standard Johnson parts but the impeller I am not so sure on. I have read the the Sierra 18-3001 might fit but the shaft might also be a different size. So if anyone has any insight on this let me know. I was reading on the Sierra page that the bushing inner diameter is 7/16" on the 3001 so I might have to pull the lower unit off and measure the shaft, if it is larger I can probably drill out the impeller, my Dad is a machinist. My local library has a copy of Peter Hunn's book so I am going to go check it out tomorrow and read though it.

Thanks
Nathan

 

[Bob_VT]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Welcome to iboats!!

Oh those old 5 hp were nice and actually related to OMC.... a bit tough for parts but feel free to use the search and look around. I am sure we have a few members here with them

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale 5D10B

I just restored three of those motors and I can report that the Gale 5D10 and Johnson TN-xx motors have a drive shaft that is .010" larger than the 3, 5.5, 7.5hps. Otherwise, the impeller is the same.

Because of reports that the Sierra impeller is not "right", I am using the Mallory impeller from right here at iboats. It is a bit tricky to ream out, but I have made a fixture to hold it while drilling it on the milling machine. They work just fine.
The Sierra impeller is 18-3001 and the Mallory is 9-45216

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Cool so I need the impeller for a Johnson TN, I think I well be ordering all of my stuff from Vintage outboard and marine supply and they have one listed, going with them because they are more local. My Dad has a milling machine so I figured I would take a block of wood and install 6 pins in it to hold the impeller between the fins then cut it in half so it well clamp down on the impeller. Did you need to elongate the key slot on the impeller or was that fine?

For the carb I figure I well just get a sheet of gasket material and make the gaskets by hand, unless there is a place you know that has kits in stock, and just take it apart and clean it.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Ok wait, would a impeller specifically made for a TN not require reaming? Also Vintage outboard has TN carb gasket kits as well, I wonder if they would work on mine?

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale 5D10B

A TN impeller will not require reaming. The TN and 5D10 lower units are basically alike, but the Gale has a different drive shaft because the top end is different where it goes into the crankshaft. The TN also has a longer clutch cable because the release lever is on top of the gas tank.

The TN is a totally different powerhead and carburetor, so no, TN gaskets won't work on the Gale.

 

[steelespike]

Re: Gale 5D10B

5D10 is comepletely different. Johnson carb mounts on the side of the case
Gale carb on the front.Good thing is its used on lots of Gale 5s up to the 5D11 Bad thing is I don't think there are any kits.Gale carb is an odd ball but pretty simple.
5D12 carb on up resembles a typical OMC carb.With kits probably available.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

I went to go and remove the bottom end today, had a bit of an argument with it, didn't notice the clutch cable at first After disconnecting the cable it came right off though. Here's the problem, after removing the bottom end I noticed there was no screw heads to take the top of the pump off with, are the screws going through the bottom, the holes look like they are threaded, or has someone broke the heads off all the screws? Here are some pics.

Where do I go from here?

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Well I just found a tutorial on how to take the lower unit apart
http://hoodad.fortunecity.com/tnlowerunit.html
Looks like I just need to pry the 1/4" plate that is on top off as the gasket has decided to hold it together. My Dad has a slick little pry bar for that kind of stuff.

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale 5D10B

That is correct. Once the plate is off, you will see the screw heads. I am sort of impressed that you got this far. Good work.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Thanks I have way too many hobbies, most of which involve mechanical things and I am a computer engineering student so I know the value of research. My Dad is also a machinist, as mentioned previously, so he is a great source of information about just about anything mechanical.

I well see if I can get the plate off tomorrow and get it taken the rest of the way apart. Vintage outboard is away apparently until the 15th so I well just use the time to save some more money as I well need about $120 in parts from them. I well probably replace the starter rope and see if I can pound out the dent in the tank in the mean time.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Still haven't done anything with the plate but I did manage to pickup some copper core plug wire and caps and boots for it as well as some new plugs, I didn't see the point of ordering them if I could get them locally. Also on ebay I picked up a Montgomery Wards Sea King/Gale factory service manual which should be quite helpful.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Just got the plate off and undid the cover for the impeller. It looks very good, almost brand new, no cracks and still real flexible so I think I well use it and just pick up a spare later to have on hand. The clutch arm on the other hand doesn't look so good, actually it is snapped in half, so I well have to make a new one which shouldn't be too hard as it looks like just a bit of stamped steel, I might get a small sheet of stainless from the hobby shop to make it out of.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Also one of my transom screws is bent, can I take a normal bolt and modify it to replace the old screw or do I need a new screw like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OMC-...6028618QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Expensive little guys aren't they? Of course you can use a 1/2-20 bolt if you don't care what it looks like. Matter of fact, I have my 3hp clamped to the boat with allen socket head bolts to discourage theft. I figure the thief won't bother to go home to get an allen wrench and come back. But as we all know, locks and allen heads are for honest people. A crook will find a way...

 

[ohm116]

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Cool, I figure I well just go and use the mill to cut a tongue on one end to go into the handle and drill and tap the other end for a screw to hold the washer on.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Well I ordered the coils and a tune up kit, should be in tomorrow morning. I also picked up a piece of 1/2" all thread to hopefully make a new transom screw with.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Replaced the starter rope, it moves much smoother now. I also bought a cheap puller and got the flywheel off, made a good bang when it finally decided to let go

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale 5D10B

When you put the flywheel back on, make sure the tapers are clean and dry and use a torque wrench to tighten the nut to 40-45 ft/lbs. Ignoring this has ruined many a motor.

 

[ohm116]

Re: Gale 5D10B

Thanks, I was wondering if there was a particular procedure to reinstalling the flywheel as it seemed rather reluctant to come off. Would you recommend putting a little oil on the taper to ensure that the flywheel is torqued properly, like head bolts? Also on the coils since they are adjustable do you do like on any other small engine and use a business card to adjust the gap between the flywheel and coil?