Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

12Footer

Fleet Admiral
Joined
Mar 25, 2001
Messages
8,217
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Originally posted by NOSLEEP:<br /> Who's Michael Moore. Is he the makeup man for<br />Dan Blather. :confused:
Now that would be poetic justice.. eh?
 

AK_Chappy

Lieutenant
Joined
May 25, 2003
Messages
1,357
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

That is a good link 12'er.<br /><br />AK Chappy
 

wilkin250r

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Feb 9, 2003
Messages
570
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

I saw bits and pieces of the first, never saw the rebuttal.<br /><br />Michael Moore's entire arguement is based on coincidence and circumstantial evidence. He shows lots of footage that Bush Sr. and Jr. were friendly with Saudi officials(duh, they were friendly with LOTS of officials from LOTS of countries, that's what leaders do), and that many Saudi investors would make money off military contracts if the U.S. went to war. This is somehow suppose to be proof that George W. secretly planned the entire 9/11 attack and subsequient War on Terror.<br /><br />There was one particular exchange that I think examplefied Michael Moore's entire attitude and documentary tacticts. In the absence of information, he will fill in the blanks with whatever he sees fit to imply the message he is trying to portray, regardless if it is factual or not. He was outside the U.S. Saudi Embassy, talking to a secret service agent:<br /><br />Moore: "So, do they give you much trouble, the Saudis?"<br /><br />Agent: "No comment."<br /><br />Moore: "I'll take that as a 'Yes'".
 

theriver

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Dec 13, 2004
Messages
393
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

The skeptics will never be satisfied. IMO the movie was absolutely brilliant. Moore anticipated the backlash, and backed up all his data with fact. Yes, there was some sarcasm included in the documentary, but you have to be foolish to completely discount the contents. For those who haven't seen the movie, it focuses on Bush, the patriot act (scary), the war, and the elevated fear in America all propagated by the Government since 911. Bin Laden BTW is no where in sight. When that country singer said Bush "got his man", I think not...<br /><br /> war room <br /><br />BTW-The movie's category was changed (from a documentary) ONLY because they wanted to show it on TV (cable) which made it ineligible for a documentary Oscar. It is still nominated for best picture/editing etc.
 

theriver

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Dec 13, 2004
Messages
393
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

One of Bush's best quotes ever appears as the final saying in the movie.<br /><br />"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on <pause> shame on you. Fool me <pause> you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
 

LubeDude

Admiral
Joined
Oct 8, 2003
Messages
6,945
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Theriver:<br /><br />Ya didnt see the Rebutal did ya? <br /><br />So you can take a flying leap!!!<br /><br />Michael more is a Communist, Socialist, whatever!
 

theriver

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Dec 13, 2004
Messages
393
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

I haven't seen it yet, but I appreciate this post for bringing the movie to my attention. I had not heard of it ever before. Its only available on DVD. I did a google search, as its not available at blockbuster for rent.<br /><br />Please relax. I do appreciate all points of perspective, so I will view it. I simply stated my opinion of Moore's flick. Like it or not.<br /><br />I do know one thing, and you ain't gonna like hearing it:<br />Bush ordered the invasion of a Sovereign country that did not threaten the US, had never attacked the US and did not want war with the US, while disarming it of weapons it was presumed to have had, the US has since discovered it did not have them. Now the US is in a war which is being compared to Vietnam and may prove to be unwinable. Congratulations Bush, you self proclaimed "war President". All this for potential “peace with honor” status like what happened in Vietnam. <br /><br />There is no such thing as Santa Claus, and there was no connection between 911/AlQueda and Iraq. (prior to the US lead invasion). It boggles my mind why some still think there is a relationship there.
 

62_Kiwi

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jan 20, 2002
Messages
1,159
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

<br />Bush ordered the invasion of a Sovereign country that did not threaten the US, had never attacked the US and did not want war with the US.<br />
Wrong, wrong and wrong.<br /><br />"Sovereign Country" - No, actually a country living under an oppressive, sadistic, murderous dictator - say it how it really was.<br /><br />"did not threaten the US" - you've got to be kidding if you think he wouldn't have committed genocide on the USA, given half a chance.<br /><br />"never attacked the US" - what about attacks on the planes enforcing the UN's no-fly zone? What about the attempted assassination of President Bush senior?<br /><br />"and did not want war with the US" - who can answer that one except Saddam himself? - but his desire to harm the USA was obvious. <br /><br />"No connection between 9/11 and Iraq". What about the US troops based in Saudi Arabia - there for more than a decade monitoring and enforcing restrictions on Iraq. Wasn't that ("Infidels in the holy land") what outraged Al Queda in the first place ? A very definite connection there IF nothing else.<br /><br /><br />...and fortunately the majority of American voters don't agree with you TheRiver.<br /><br />As for the film - it's a blatant piece of left wing propaganda - no balanced view in that what so ever - but then it did make a lot of money for it's creator :rolleyes:
 

theriver

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Dec 13, 2004
Messages
393
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

1) The definition of Sovereign is simply: Self-governing; independent: a sovereign state. So Iraq did meet the criteria...<br /><br />2) Would he have? Perhaps. The reality is though, he was embroiled in UN imposed sanctions which had left him immobilized for a decade. Face it-the US wanted oil, and that's just the way it is. 55% of the Earth's oil is in the Persian Gulf. The real question about Iraq isn't whether the Bush administration has told any lies but rather, has it told anything to the American public that is true?<br /><br />3) I don't believe any Americans were killed during any of the no fly patrols. The Alleged Bush Sr. assassination attempt is just that-an alleged incident. The case is still open, and I've read it. By all accounts, its filled with factually incorrect data that doesn't necessarilly support that Sadam had made the order.<br /><br />4) He may have had the desire, but he certainly didn't have the means. Lots of other countries may have the desire too!! <br /><br />5) Planting a military base in Saudi Arabia DID perhaps propagate the entire event of 911. So perhaps you could say that the US staying on Saudi soil after liberating Kuwait caused BinLaden and AlQueda to seek revenge against America in the form of 911. I see no other link between Iraq and AlQueda than that. (and was it Iraq's FAULT that BinLaden reacted as a terrorist the way he did? - I'd say no. They had no link to AlQueda). People need to sniff some smelling salts if they think otherwise. <br /><br />Peace.
 

Carphunter

Commander
Joined
Aug 11, 2002
Messages
2,061
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

theriver said:<br />Blah Blah Blah, something or other, blah, blah.
Weve heard it all a thousand times. Get over it dude, The people have voted and Mr. Bush is the President. Thank God almighty.<br /><br />.......and if you don't like it, you could always jump in "the river"..................get it, jump in THE RIVER. Man I crack myself up. :D
 

KennyKenCan

Commander
Joined
Aug 26, 2002
Messages
2,501
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

theriver,<br /><br />Being you like the middle-east so much, do us all a favor...<br /><br />MOVE THERE!
 

jtexas

Fleet Admiral
Joined
Oct 13, 2003
Messages
8,646
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

hey, theriver is right about a few things, give him credit. <br />- Iraq is (was?) a sovereign state, allbeit an oppressive, sadistic, murderous dictatorship. Now it's more like occupied anarchy.<br />- Saddam's actions indicate that he would not have started a war he knew he couldn't win - remember, he only invaded Kuwait after the U.S. ambassador implied that we wouldn't get involved. Saddam isn't stupid; he could've forseen how badly he woulda got beat in a war with the U.S. That's why his troops disappeared during the initial invasion, so they could come back now, as "insurgents."<br />- President Bush has admitted they couldn't find a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Bin Ladin's animosity toward the U.S. goes deeper than any military base in Saudi Arabia - it's more likely linked to our alliance with Israel. The Arab-Jewish conflict goes all the way back to the book of Genesis. I doubt Saddam was all too thrilled when Bin Laden woke the sleeping giant - he (Saddam)had it pretty good before, and I'm pretty sure he was all about "what's in it for me."<br /><br />As Americans it is our patriotic duty to keep a watchful eye on everything our government (and our media) does, and to speak out when something looks fishy. It's part of the responsibility that comes with a democratically elected government. <br /><br />I think it's a mistake to invite everybody who disagrees with us to join the enemy. Isn't that how they do things in oppressive, sadistic, murderous dictatorships?
 

LubeDude

Admiral
Joined
Oct 8, 2003
Messages
6,945
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Originally posted by theriver:<br /> A warm welcome to iboats huh?
Well, You jumped in head first, you will find this forum about 80% Concervative so your remarks are not welll taken, but we are big boys and we can take it. You will get very little sympathy here.<br /><br />As to the US attacking Iraq, We had ever reason to take Sadam out of power. The reason is that after the first conflict, we told Sadam that if he didnt comply with the resolutions, we would take action, he didnt, we did!! End of story, If this country says we will do something, we better D**m well do it. You will still "NEVER" convince me that Sadam didnt export everything before we got there.<br /><br />Oh, by the way, Welcome to Iboats!
 

Carphunter

Commander
Joined
Aug 11, 2002
Messages
2,061
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Like Lube, let me welcome you to iboats.<br /><br />.........your not gonna like me. ;)
 

12Footer

Fleet Admiral
Joined
Mar 25, 2001
Messages
8,217
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Originally posted by theriver:<br /> A warm welcome to iboats huh?
Cowboy-up, theriver. You're waaay out numbered here, but you're not only welcome to iboats' "dockside Chat", you're needed here. Without the rare assault on the Amercican administration, God, US coalition forces, Force outboards, pit bull dogs and fishing with cats, this would be a very boring place, iboats would loose money, and fold...We cannot have that! :D <br /><br />Seriously tho, you are respected here. It's just that the entire world is changing. There is a global war, an intolerance for PC values, replaced by moral values, and so much more.<br />Just because you're getting flack here, do not give up the ship. PW2,Woodrat,WillyB, and many others share your ideologies, and give the conservatives on tghe forum "the buisness" daily.... And they RECEIVE it too!<br />Some of us have little or no tact, and there are rules. You'll find that the moderators are quick to fix what is broken, but there may be posts that violate those rules---only to be poofed in a day or two (once the moderators see them).<br />I predict a "poofage" or two in the above thread. If not, then you have no other recourse, and must cowboy-up.
 

12Footer

Fleet Admiral
Joined
Mar 25, 2001
Messages
8,217
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Originally posted by Carphunter:<br /> Like Lube, let me welcome you to iboats.<br /><br />.........your not gonna like me. ;)
LOL. If Carpy turns green and you hear cloth ripping, you best run like hell!
 

JustMrWill

Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Aug 12, 2003
Messages
877
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

Just one question:<br /><br />Where is Bin Laden? You would think that the mastermind behind the original killing of Americans would be more important than sending Americans to be killed somewhere else. I would really be pleased if Jr could accomplish this "simple task". Just my thoughts.<br /><br />-JustMrWill
 

Carphunter

Commander
Joined
Aug 11, 2002
Messages
2,061
Re: Faurenheit & Faurenhype 9/11

LMAO at 12'er. :D <br /><br />It would be more like the "Mini-Hulk", which is kinda like the "Mini-Me". :p
 
Top