Dust Collection when Grinding Fiberglass

Mud Puppy

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Great info and good rules to follow. I read a cancer research article recently and it stated, "The International Agency on Cancer Research (IACR) removed fiberglass from its “possibly carcinogenic to humans” list in 2001." Thought that was interesting.

It may no longer be a carcinogen, but once the glass fibers enter your lungs, they are with you for the rest of your life as I have heard from a couple of Doctors and a friend who is a funeral director and mortician. One of the reasons they don't sell Angle Hair for Christmas trees any longer which was made from spun glass (fibers).

Below is a PDF file of a Separator you can build that's touted as one of the best designs out there. Fairly simple and inexpensive to build and fits on a 30 gallon trash can. I've never got around to building one but when I retire I will. I know they work great on separating chips etc but not sure about fine dust particles.

I worked for a Ready To Assemble furniture manufacturer in Maintenance back years ago and they had 7 extremely large dust collectors, each containing 4 or more cyclones. Below each cyclone tower was a bag house containing up to 50 6' by 24" bags which collected the heavy particulate as well as dust to the outside of the bags with a air pulse every minute or so to clean these bags. The bottom of the bag house was a hopper with a rotatory gate that ran all the time allowing the dust to fall through to an auger. The facility was over 10 acres when I started and had 36" or 48" duct supported from the ceiling running to these cyclones with 3" "dust sweeps" every 50 foot or so. The machines that moved had "zippers" which were rubber flaps on either side of the zipper that allowed the machine to move. We also had portable units which were constructed using 55 gallon barrels so I may be of little help on smaller systems, but I remember none of the portable units had very large motors at all; I think the largest was a half horse or so.

My point being, all of these worked extremely well including the smaller units. The larger ones would suck a ball cap off your head in a New York second as well as tools or your arm just as easy. Take it from 11 years experience.

I followed the link to look over the cyclone and it should work very well. Where I work currently, we have a little four bag collector we use for such.

I personally used a good respirator, Tyvec suits, and a large swamp cooler type roll around shop fan to move the air-born dust stopping frequently for the shop vac for escaping dust. I capture most of the heavier stuff at the source with the hose clamped to prevent it from moving just barely downstream from where I am working and I don't have to drag anything else along other than the air hose for my high speed sander. I mounted the clamp to a "L" shaped bracket I made form a couple of 1x6s and threw a 10 lb shot-peen bag on it so I can still drag it along when I move, plus I can change the height any time as I need. I position the hose up against the hull within an inch or two from my work. Works very well for me and it was cheap.

EDIT: I also use the swamp cooler fan only, no water.
 
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Re: Dust Collection when Grinding Fiberglass

Great info and good rules to follow. I read a cancer research article recently and it stated, "The International Agency on Cancer Research (IACR) removed fiberglass from its “possibly carcinogenic to humans” list in 2001." Thought that was interesting.

They have hunted very hard over several decades to find health issues in people exposed to long term production in fiberglass shops, so far they can't find much. I'm not saying breathing dust and fumes is good for anyone, only that even long term not many people ( I don't know any) that work with these products on a daily basis have health issues related to them.

So in MHO if long term exposure rarely creates a problem, then short term, and what people do on this site is very short term, shouldn't be something to stress over.

After saying that I do recommend wearing all of the correct PPE and not exposing yourself to more than is necessary.

Now, introduce two part paints or epoxy and the long term health issues climb dramatically. Even one time exposure to these can trigger long term sensitivity that can have real health issues.
 

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What I have found. I don't want to break any rules on the forum, but let me just point by doing a search online for cyclone dust collection systems and then a few additional links, I found a unit for $39 from the manufacturer. I have looked at the plans to build one, but to be honest...I don't believe you can build a unit for $39, even if you have a punch of used wood and stuff. Sometimes it just isn't prudent to build it yourself. JMHO.
 

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If I could build it outta the scrap in the garage & never have to leave the garage, even if the materials were 'worth' $50, I think I'd still build it myself...

Sometimes it's also the journey, not just the destination. Further proofed by the # of guys spending $1500-2K rebuilding boats they bought for $0-1500, which will still only be 'worth' ($2K or less) when they're done. And instead of finding & buying a different $2500-3K boat.



Choices are good ;)

If you buy 1 & it works great, post up your results.
 

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What I have found. I don't want to break any rules on the forum, but let me just point by doing a search online for cyclone dust collection systems and then a few additional links, I found a unit for $39 from the manufacturer. I have looked at the plans to build one, but to be honest...I don't believe you can build a unit for $39, even if you have a punch of used wood and stuff. Sometimes it just isn't prudent to build it yourself. JMHO.

I'm pretty sure I know the $39 dollar unit you speak of
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and it is VERY inneffecient and does not work very well. The plans I posted were developed by the author, due to his frustration with this type of separator. His design is about 95% efficient with very little "Blow By" of dust or chips in the case of woodworking. In my woodworking "Habit" I have done extensive research on this topic and believe me when I say the "Thien Separator" is condisdered the "Cadillac" of them all and there is none that can be purchased that is it's equal.
 

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Sometimes it's also the journey, not just the destination.

10-4 JB, and thanks WOG!!! The destination may be lesser to the Journey!!!

I mean on this side of the pearly gates that is!!! :eagerness:
 
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Daniel1947

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JB...True, many times it is the journey, and believe me I know the feeling of looking at a completed project done with ones own hands. My point was the $39 might be better spent on the purchase of a unit that would work, instead of spending the hours fabricating one that might not work as well.

I have utmost respect for most opinions from most of the boaters posting here. As to WOG...again, high respect for your knowledge and expertise, but I have seen a couple differant videos on the tube of a couple differant units...clear plastic, metal, and one of a guy that actually built one out of wood. The physics principals of the operation of the units are accurate, will it work with "real" fine fiberglass dust? I don't know...it was just a sharing of knowledge.
 

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will it work with "real" fine fiberglass dust? I don't know..

I made the same statement as well. I know it works well with wood chips just not sure about the ultra-fine fiberglass dust particles.
 

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It may no longer be a carcinogen, but once the glass fibers enter your lungs, they are with you for the rest of your life as I have heard from a couple of Doctors and a friend who is a funeral director and mortician. One of the reasons they don't sell Angle Hair for Christmas trees any longer which was made from spun glass (fibers).
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This is not scientifically true. When I started grinding in 2010, I did not care much for a respirator or a dust mask and I was breathing fiberglass dust for hours. When I started to read posts here in iBoats, my knowledge matured a little and I decide to do it like a responsible man who respects his body and manages risks. The question of the long term impact of what I have already breathed kept bugging me night after night. I visited two family doctors and requested full evaluation by a specialist. All of them basically said the same thing, to paraphrase..

Fiberglass is different than Asbestos. Asbestos molecules have hook shape to them which makes it impossible for the body to get rid of them once they get to your lungs. Fiberglass doesn’t have this scary characteristics and the body has no problem get rid of it.

Now, I am not saying we shouldn’t take every possible precaution to keep our lungs clean but people who got some exposure to breathing fiberglass shouldn’t carry the burden of the thought of having it in their lungs for life according to the 3 doctors I consulted.

For the record, I still wear respirator and full personal protection gear every time I grind. After seeing few replies from WoodOnGlass with the words “STOP” and “I AM SERIOUS” in them bold and capitalized, I even upgraded to full face respirator :)
 
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I was pretty much raised in a wheat farming community. A LOT of grain storage elevators that created a LOT of plain ole' dust. Had a lot of friends develop respiratory disease due to inhaling that Plain ole' dust even though they used those surgical masks that the doctors wear!!! Ever since watching them gasp for air and rolling around oxygen tanks when they were in their 40's I've kinda had an aversion to any kind of dust whether or not it's a carcinogen or not!!!! Last time a checked, Lung Transplants are NOT really that easy to do and not a lot of fun. I think I'll keep the two the good Lord blessed me with the first time around!!! Thank you very much!!!;)
 

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I hope I made it clear that I wasn't making light of your advice. On the contrary, I was saying that I took seriously and upgraded my gear to the best I can afford.
 

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In the early 1971 after leaving the Marine Corps, I went to work for a Ford dealer. I can't count how many brake jobs I did, but back then the brakes were asbestos, and we used to blow the dust off the axles with an air hose. I know there were evenings that I was home and would sneeze and could see the black junk in my kleenix...It was years later when they finally admitted that stuff was dangerous. My father worked in a foundry up till 1976, he died of cancer in 1979. Only time I ever had to go to a doctor because of a work injury was to remove a metal shaving from my eye...yep! was wearing eye protection when grinding. I learned my lesson...eye protection and respiratory protection. I am not a doctor...but our lungs are designed to take in oxygen and expel carbon dixoide. Like most of you, I don't want that junk in my eyes or my lungs. I think this is a good Thread, and offers us all a lot of good info. We can take it or leave it, but just need to be aware that it can hurt when we least expect it. :Cry:
 

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I hope I made it clear that I wasn't making light of your advice. On the contrary, I was saying that I took seriously and upgraded my gear to the best I can afford.
I understood you quite well and am glad you use the full face respirator. I just thought I'd let others know why I like em too!!!:D
 

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Hey WOG, your mailbox is full!
 
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