Does Fukushima bother you ?

Cofe

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Yes Jmartin that is a pipe dream graph. I wish people in general would wake up and do some math on electricity costs and production methods. The costs of wind, ethanol, solar, bio fuel would all be cost imperative without the large funding they receive from the gov or investors.
 

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Re: Does Fukushima bother you ?

It's a serious situation but does not bother me from a safety standpoint. Keep in mind that the instant that earthquake struck, the control rods automatically went into the core and reduced the reactor to ~7% heat output. There are multiple levels of containment, including primary containment which is essentially a concrete shell that is designed to contain a full meltdown indefinitely.

What does bother me is the news media's fear-mongering about it, which borders on nonsensical most of the time. They had a field day with the explosions that "destroyed the containment facilities" - which, if you know a bit about nuclear power stations, is absolutely untrue, and the explosion wasn't significant. The workers have to vent the reactor core periodically to keep pressure levels in check; one of the major byproducts of the reaction is hydrogen gas, which reacts explosively when exposed to the atmosphere. The containment system is designed to deal with this, and the only "containment facility" that was damaged was a "shed" building built around the reactor to keep out the elements. It has nothing to do with the containment of radioactive material.

The big bold headlines of "RADIATION AT 10,000 TIMES NORMAL LEVEL" also puts a bitter taste in my mouth. Radiation is measured in extremely small units. 10,000 times normal level is still minuscule, and nobody except those working directly at the plant has received any more radiation than they'd get on a trans-Atlantic plane flight. Even those workers haven't received radiation dosages that are permanently harmful.

Not to say the Japanese are wrong for evacuating the area and so forth, it's a standard safety procedure. It's just really disheartening to see the anti-nuclear brigade up in arms again over practically nothing.
 

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There are absolutely real hazards and a real threat of higher levels of radioactivity reaching the US. The biggest impact will be the cost of increased monitiring at all levels. Federal and state agencies and all licensees wil be forced to increase their monitoring with a considerable increase in cost. There are also alarmists out there. One prominent physicist is basing his damage assessment on the total curie inventory of all the units (reactors and spent fuel pools) being volatolized and entering the environment. That's just not a reasonable scenario.

It's bad and could get worse but it's not Armageddon.
 

ajgraz

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...Did cancer exist a million years ago? im pretty sure it didnt...

I dunno about "a million years" if you are talking about humans, were we around then? But as far as prehistory, you can be sure it did, though at much lower rates because they didn't smoke or drive cars and still only lived to be 20 before being killed by something else in their environment...like wolves or bears. :eek:

I have a possibly overblown concern, we're going to Hawaii in a couple weeks, and I'm planning to do some fishing. I ain't so much worried about a "radiation cloud" hitting Hawaii, as I am about whether the fish will be somehow impacted?
 

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The fish should not be affected at all, there are many other threats to the fish is Hawaiian waters, then a very diffused radiation release reaching the waters around the islands..

I talked to buddy of mine that still lives on the big island and he does a lot of fishing, the state has checked some of the catches coming in and there is virtually no detection of radiation in the catches..
 

ezmobee

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I'll say that I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the 50 or so men who have risked their lives containing it. I am saddened by what this has done to confidence in the nuclear industry.

I boat next to TMI (and Peach Bottom) :p
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/Fishing/DSCF2685.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/Fishing/DSCF2681.jpg


Edit: apparently it's more like 200 guys working in 50 men shifts. I can't even imagine.......
 

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I agree, the biggest problem is the damage to the reputation of the other nuclear plants. Coal is dirty, wind is maintenance intensive, solar is expensive and hates clouds, but we all like electricity and it has to come from somewhere.
 

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Re: Does Fukushima bother you ?

It's a serious situation but does not bother me from a safety standpoint. Keep in mind that the instant that earthquake struck, the control rods automatically went into the core and reduced the reactor to ~7% heat output. There are multiple levels of containment, including primary containment which is essentially a concrete shell that is designed to contain a full meltdown indefinitely.

What does bother me is the news media's fear-mongering about it, which borders on nonsensical most of the time. They had a field day with the explosions that "destroyed the containment facilities" - which, if you know a bit about nuclear power stations, is absolutely untrue, and the explosion wasn't significant. The workers have to vent the reactor core periodically to keep pressure levels in check; one of the major byproducts of the reaction is hydrogen gas, which reacts explosively when exposed to the atmosphere. The containment system is designed to deal with this, and the only "containment facility" that was damaged was a "shed" building built around the reactor to keep out the elements. It has nothing to do with the containment of radioactive material.

The big bold headlines of "RADIATION AT 10,000 TIMES NORMAL LEVEL" also puts a bitter taste in my mouth. Radiation is measured in extremely small units. 10,000 times normal level is still minuscule, and nobody except those working directly at the plant has received any more radiation than they'd get on a trans-Atlantic plane flight. Even those workers haven't received radiation dosages that are permanently harmful.

Not to say the Japanese are wrong for evacuating the area and so forth, it's a standard safety procedure. It's just really disheartening to see the anti-nuclear brigade up in arms again over practically nothing.

Now allmost a week later... hmm.. would you like to Retract this statement ??

This IS a Full Meltdown !! Im not a Fear-monger ..

I call it like I see it...

WA is now seeing MILK contaminated..

Lookies here guys..

http://www.fairewinds.com/

I can give more and more..but this is becoming VERY serious here in the US. The UK has detected " very small traces of radioactive particles..

Remember when they said " its about the same thing as having 100 chest Xrays " .. well..you dont swallow or Breath them there Xrays.

And what Isotopes are they talking about ? .. and why dont they give us more then "above average readings found". Give us the Exact # readings thay they found ?! Tell me its 1k mShr or Beckajuels..or whatever friggin readings ???

Now there talking about " We are going to have to decomission these 4 ( out of 6 ) reactors permantly " ( not a direct quote but I can Link if if you want ).

I dunno..you experts on Fission here on Iboats please speak up to give me peace of mind please !!.

LINK..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/01/3179487.htm

GET WATER NOW !! ( hey .. wouldnt hurt eh :) .. could use it on camping trips that we have looking forward to anyways ;) ..

YD.
 

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I am not a praying person, but I am reminded of a wise prayer that asks something like this of the Lord:

Strength to change what I can change, ability to accept what I can't change and wisdom to tell the difference.

Freaking out and blaming are very self destructive activities; There is energy falling on the earth and in the earth in quantities far, far greater than we can ever "use" as electricity. Every technology we have used or know how to use to convert it to electricity demands a price. That is something we can not change.

So, relax and have a beer. :)
 

Yacht Dr.

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Freaking out and blaming are very self destructive activities; There is energy falling on the earth and in the earth in quantities far, far greater than we can ever "use" as electricity. Every technology we have used or know how to use to convert it to electricity demands a price. That is something we can not change.

So, relax and have a beer. :)

I had a beer.. I feel Much better now..

Sorry for the "Freaking out " about Full Nuclear Meltdown... I didnt understand...

YD.
 

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I am thinking people on the west coast should worry more about Hanford than about the japanese situation.
 

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What danger at Hanford are you talking about? The layoffs? This isn't the 60's.

I'm at the site right now and can attest to the professionalism and dedication of the workers. A larger danger is the knowledge and experience we're losing as the older workers retire. Most of my time is spent bringing the younger professionals up to speed and pointing out the resources that are available to them.
 

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Looks like anudder Chernobyl or worser to me!... concrete pumps being air lifted in to entomb the melting reactors???... not good!!!:mad:

Yes, the Japanese have eaten 2 worse nukes before and have grown from them... but there's gotta be a limit somewhere down the road!:confused:

... on the bright side, radiation makes your teeth whiter and you can grow 15 lb. tomatoes!!!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECUtkv2qV8
 

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What danger at Hanford are you talking about? The layoffs? This isn't the 60's.

I'm at the site right now and can attest to the professionalism and dedication of the workers. A larger danger is the knowledge and experience we're losing as the older workers retire. Most of my time is spent bringing the younger professionals up to speed and pointing out the resources that are available to them.

If your not worried about ground water contamination at Hanford, then I am not worried about the Japanese issue.

I was north west of Chernobyl when that went criticle (Northern Norway), that worried me.
 

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Nope, even after reading all that is out there, I am not any more worried than I was a week ago..
 

PiratePast40

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If your not worried about ground water contamination at Hanford, then I am not worried about the Japanese issue.

I was north west of Chernobyl when that went criticle (Northern Norway), that worried me.

Yes, groundwater is a concern and remediation is fully funded past the stimulus money. The issue is being addressed and solutions are being aggressively pursued. I'm not saying that Fukushima is a minor matter or that Chernobyl was minor. I'm saying that as far as world health safety, it's a non-issue. But as a monitoring and PR issue, it's a major PITA.

I'm just waiting for the purchase orders so I can retire early!
 

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Living in SW Washington Hanford does not bother me. Actually Umatilla bothers me more. Chernobly did bother me at the time. I think mostly because of the fact that the main cloud passed directly over us.
And as far as Japan goes I truely pray for them. However if something like this has to happen I'm glad it was in a country that has the ability and wisdom to deal with it. And may god be with them.
YD have another!
 

rbh

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Yes, groundwater is a concern and remediation is fully funded past the stimulus money. The issue is being addressed and solutions are being aggressively pursued. I'm not saying that Fukushima is a minor matter or that Chernobyl was minor. I'm saying that as far as world health safety, it's a non-issue. But as a monitoring and PR issue, it's a major PITA.

I'm just waiting for the purchase orders so I can retire early!

PITA, yes
unacurate reporting (and spelling) YES! (well maybe)

Early retirement, OH heck YA!

Yacht Doc needs more beer, OH what the H, E double hockey sticks, YA!!!!!
 

MTboatguy

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It amazing, I grew up in Vancouver/Hazel Dell, down river from Hanford and across the river from Trojan, so I guess I had something to worry about, although I didn't know it then, so I, unless I get direct contact in the reactor, can't and won't worry...
 
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