Dockbuster Question

Texasmark

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Was surfing the Old Merc. site the last couple of days and was curious about the dock buster. Pulled up an old thread on here back in 2011 and in one of the replies it mentioned that the engine was direct drive; no overrun clutch. Question is how did they get away with that? With direct drive when you cut the throttle and the engine goes to idle the prop would too.....presto teeth in windshield? No? Why not?

Just curious.

Mark
 

Georgesalmon

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Re: Dockbuster Question

not sure what a dock buster is but back in the early 60's my friends dad had a 70hp merc. that old motor didn't have a neutral. the engine actually ran both cw and ccw. it even had two distributers under the hood. there was a lever on the floor of the boat. to go forward you pushed the lever forward and pushed a button on the top of the lever to start the engine. for reverse you pushed the lever rearward and started the engine which then ran in reverse. no neutral. believe it or not.
 

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From what I understand, Carl did not think the gear box would hold up to the new 6 cylinder motor, so no neutral.
They slow down just like another motor out on the water. The challenge comes into play when coming into port and you want to shift into reverse to stop the forward movement. You shut her down, move control lever into reverse, and fire it back up again. I'll get some pics posted of my Dockbuster later tonight.

Three key points of starting a Dockbuster;
1. Always keep boat pointed in a safe direction.
2. Double check that bow and stern lines are released
3. Hang onto wheel tightly
 

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Re: Dockbuster Question

Three key points of starting a Dockbuster;
1. Always keep boat pointed in a safe direction.
2. Double check that bow and stern lines are released
3. Hang onto wheel tightly

Just one other thing..........Keep tha motor in VERY good tune. Might not get a "second" chance at startin' :facepalm:...........
 

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No doubt. It can be bad enough as it is sometimes.
 

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I learned how on a 3 hp wizard on a 10 foot skiff and the age of 9 and by age 11 I was handling a 30 foot cabin cruiser that my grand dad owned. I caught hell if I made the drinks spill. Back in those days part of marina staffs job was to help catch the bigger boats at the fuel dock of the slip.

It was like a lot of the jet skis of today, you didnt come in pointed at the dock you came in along side and the small motors would spin around for reverse and so on and you stopped the motor and coasted in and used a boat hook. It want really all that much different. It did take a bit more skill and if you have ever watched a old timer handle a boat you will see some of those practices still in use even though you may not recognize them.
 
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Texasmark

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Re: Dockbuster Question

not sure what a dock buster is but back in the early 60's my friends dad had a 70hp merc. that old motor didn't have a neutral. the engine actually ran both cw and ccw. it even had two distributers under the hood. there was a lever on the floor of the boat. to go forward you pushed the lever forward and pushed a button on the top of the lever to start the engine. for reverse you pushed the lever rearward and started the engine which then ran in reverse. no neutral. believe it or not.

That's what I was looking for. My first curiousity was engine timing when running in the ccw direction. 2 distributors would solve that problem and I guess they were relay controlled just as the starter apparently was to reverse the direction for R. Still don't understand the lack of the overrun clutch. If it wasn't necessary for deceleration, why do engines that shift, have it?

I had an engine lock up on me once at WOT. I guarantee you, if I would have had a windshield, I would have false teeth in front.

I'll give Karl an attaboy for holding back on the shifter when he wasn't sure it could handle the HP.

I hit a pier once when a teen and it wasn't because I had a dock buster. I came in too fast and a wave just catapulted me into it. Not that big of a deal, but I can't imagine having to rely on restarting your engine to stop your boat.

Thanks for the replies.

Mark
 

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This explains why my dad taught me to shut of the motor as I approach the dock. I don't do it any more but he does even well into his 70's.
 

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My Mark 75E had many challenges but I still enjoyed being on the water with it. Everybody should own an old direct reversing TOP once in their lifetime!
 

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This explains why my dad taught me to shut of the motor as I approach the dock. I don't do it any more but he does even well into his 70's.

Started that way (dock buster) also. Think that's why I have very little trouble with all my start in gear stuff...................'less my hand/foot coordiination takes a dump. Which seems ta be tha case a lot more lately.
 
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Actually the direct reversing motor has but only one distributor. There is special linkage which lets the distributor rotate far enough to allow the engine to be started/run in reverse. Since this type of 2-stroke doesn't care which way it runs, the engineers at Mercury very cleverly figured out how to get the timing reversed with just a pull of the single-lever control.

The "Dockbuster", however, does have 2 sets of points, and each set runs 3 cylinders. 1-3-5 fire off the first set, and 2-4-6 off the 2nd.

There are 2 coils as well. So basically you have 2 completely independent ignition systems firing the motor. Needless to say, the timing between the 2 sets of points has to be spot-on, or else the firing pulses on even and odd cylinders won't be in synch. This can cause vibration, poor running, and even a busted crankshaft!

Note that the Full Gear Shift Inline Sixes had a similar ignition system (until they went to electronic ign in the mid-late 60's), but the FGS models didn't have the reversing capabilities.

Another special feature of the Direct Reversing engines is the bi-directional starter, with one gear on top and the other on the bottom, engaging their respective Fwd or Reverse directions. A set of limit switches (in the engine for early models, and in the control box for later models) keep the starter solenoids deenergized, if the throttle setting is too high.

So, all in all you have a very special motor, with a lot of adjustments to make! But when everything is spot-on, they'll start and run like a champ.

Back in the 80's I picked up a Merc 700E Dockbuster for $25 off the shop bulletin board. All I had to do to get it back in service was fix the busted pump housing with some J-B weld (!) and clean/set the points.

Threw 'er on my brother's 13-1/2' Sea-King runabout and we ran the tar out of that motor the entire summer. My good buddy liked to beach-start slalom-ski, so we made sure there were plenty of coils on the ski rope, when he said "Hit it" I'd start 'er up and away he went! He said the acceleration made his head swim! It would easily deep-water-start a slalom skier and topped out around 35 mph. I've had a lot of nicer/faster boats since then, but few of them have been as fun as that Economy Special! Certainly none were as cheap. Hard to find those $25 motors nowadays!

If you've got one that's tuned correctly, she'll go from idling in fwd gear to full stop to starting in reverse with no trouble at all. Mine would fire right up with the tap of a key.

The direct reversing gearcase has less parasitic drag inside of it (less gears to sling oil around), so you're actually putting more power to the water than a similar FGS model.

For their time, they were quite the deal. I fully second what Willyclay said, owning one is an excellent experience and you'll learn a lot working on it. Not for the faint of heart, though!

Cheers..........ed
 

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Maybe it didn't have two distb's, maybe it was two coils I saw. I only saw the inside once when He poured a can of ATF through the carbs to get the carbon out. When He finally got it started again it sure blew a lot of smoke and it actually did run a lot better. There was no seafoam back then of course. And, it was over 50 years ago, my memory isn't the best any more but I was so sure I saw two distributers one pointing up and one pointing down on the same shaft. maybe not,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'd ask ole Doc but we lost him in September this year, one month before His 95th birthday.
 

bgc

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This unit is a 1958 MK75,
The photos below show the twin starter solenoids and the two coils. I also posted the controls, kinda of a neat setup. The button on the top of the stick is the starter switch.




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wired247

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You'd think all the time they spent engineering that abortion could have been spent building a better lower
 

bgc

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Considering that the development of the MK75 had to be hidden from Carl to begin with, I'm surprised it only took 3 years to finish the development of the Full Gear Shift and Jet Prop gear cases.

My question is, Why did the first of the Merc 1000 not have a starter?
 

Georgesalmon

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Now that I see the pictures I'm sure I was wrong about two distb's. I must have been looking at the solenoids. Well, I was only 12 or thirteenish. Sorry.
 

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Here's my 1961 Merc 700 DR in the 90'sCheckmate.jpg I was given this motor and some spare parts by a friend. All it needed was a gearcase retainer nut ($45.00) and it hauled a** around 40mph and started easily. I ran it at 100:1 Amsoil mix for about 10 seasons until I decided to upgrade to a newer motor, I also owned a Mark 78 that ran for 3 yrs. The most important items you needed for these motors was the manual and the point setting plate for accurate point setting. Easy to pull start too!
 

bgc

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Need more info. Reference/link/something, please!

Sorry, I miss read the article. The 1000 had a pull start and electrical starter, Carl discontinued the pull start in the cowl on later models.
 
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