CBS COORDINATED BUSH BASH WITH KERRY CAMPAIGN

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Kerry Aide Talked to Retired Guard Officer <br /><br />NEW YORK - At the behest of CBS, an adviser to John Kerry said he talked to a central figure in the controversy over President Bush's National Guard service shortly before disputed documents were released. <br /><br />Joe Lockhart denied any connection between the presidential campaign and the papers. Lockhart, the second Kerry ally to confirm contact with retired Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, said he made the call at the suggestion of CBS producer Mary Mapes. <br /><br />"He had some advice on how to deal with the Vietnam issue and the Swift boat" allegations, Lockhart said Monday, referring to GOP-fueled accusations that Kerry exaggerated his Vietnam War record. "He said these guys play tough and we have to put the Vietnam experience into context and have Kerry talk about it more." <br /><br />Lockhart said he thanked Burkett for his advice after a three to four minute call. <br /><br />Lockhart said he does not recall talking to Burkett about Bush's Guard records. "It's baseless to say the Kerry campaign had anything to do with this," he said. <br /><br />CBS News apologized Monday for a "mistake in judgment" in its story questioning Bush's Guard service, claiming it was misled by the source of documents that several experts have dismissed as fakes. <br /><br />Burkett admitted this weekend to CBS that he lied about obtaining the documents from another former National Guard member, the network said. CBS hasn't been able to conclusively tell how he got them, or even whether they're fakes or not. <br /><br />Kerry ally Max Cleland, a former Georgia senator, also said he had a brief conversation last month with Burkett, who told him he had information about Bush to counter charges against Kerry's Vietnam War service. Cleland said he gave Burkett's name and phone number to the campaign's research department. <br /><br />Kerry spokesman David Ginsberg said nobody in the campaign's research department followed up on Burkett's offer of information. <br /><br />Lockhart said Mapes asked him the weekend before the story broke to call Burkett. "She basically said there's a guy who is being helpful on the story who wants to talk to you," Lockhart said, adding that it was common knowledge that CBS was working on a story <br /><br /> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040921/ap_on_el_pr/cbs_guard_kerry_1&printer=1
 

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CBS arranged for meeting with Lockhart<br /><br />By Kevin Johnson, Dave Moniz and Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY<br /><br />WASHINGTON — CBS arranged for a confidential source to talk with Joe Lockhart, a top aide to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, after the source provided the network with the now-disputed documents about President Bush's service in the Texas National Guard. <br /><br />Lockhart, the former press secretary to President Clinton, said a female producer talked to him about the 60 Minutes program a few days before it aired on Sept. 8. She gave Lockhart a telephone number and asked him to call Bill Burkett, a former Texas National Guard officer who gave CBS the documents. Lockhart couldn't recall the producer's name. But CBS said Monday night that it would examine the role of producer Mary Mapes in passing the name to Lockhart.<br /><br />Burkett told USA TODAY that he had agreed to turn over the documents to CBS if the network would help arrange a conversation with the Kerry campaign.<br /><br />The network's effort to place Burkett in contact with a top Democratic official raises ethical questions about CBS' handling of material potentially damaging to the Republican president in the midst of an election. This "poses a real danger to the potential credibility of a news organization," said Aly Colón, a news ethicist at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies.<br /><br />"At Burkett's request, we gave his (telephone) number to the campaign," said Betsy West, senior CBS News vice president.<br /><br />CBS would not discuss the propriety of the network serving as a conduit between its partisan source, Burkett, and the Kerry campaign. “It was not part of any deal” with Burkett to obtain the documents, West said, declining to elaborate.<br /><br />But Burkett said Monday that his contact with Lockhart was indeed part of an "understanding" with CBS. Burkett said his interest in contacting the campaign was to offer advice in responding to Republican criticisms about Kerry's Vietnam service. It had nothing to do with the documents, he said.<br /><br />"My interest was to get the attention of the national (campaign) to defend against the attacks," Burkett said, adding that he also talked to former Georgia senator Max Cleland and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean during the past 45 days. "Neither the Democratic Party or the Kerry campaign had anything to do with the documents," he said.<br /><br />Lockhart said he phoned Burkett at the number provided by CBS. Lockhart also said that subject of the documents never came up in his conversation with Burkett. Lockhart said the conversation lasted just a few minutes. "It's possible that the producer said they had documents," before his conversation with Burkett, he said.<br /><br />At the end of the conversation, Lockhart said he thanked Burkett for his interest and there was no further contact with him. Asked why he called Burkett, Lockhart said he talks to "a lot of people."<br /><br />"I called you, didn't I?" <br /><br />The White House said CBS' contact with Lockhart was inappropriate. "The fact that CBS News would coordinate with the most senior levels of Sen. Kerry's campaign to attack the President is a stunning and deeply troubling revelation," said Dan Bartlett, White House communications director. <br /><br /> http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-20-cbs-documents_x.htm
 

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I invite Sen. Kerry to repudiate this scurrilous dirty trick and to state that he honors GW's NG service.
 

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Moreover,I invite the FBI to launch an immediate investigation as to who perpetrated the falsification of US Goverment documents which is a capital crime.This whole story reeks,and just when the Kerry campaign was struggling to keep their head above water,Rathergate hands them a pair of cement overshoes.I personally am enjoying it,and eagerly look forward to new developments on the issue.
 

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I am still missing the link between the documents and the Kerry Campaign.<br /><br />I think this effectively points out the liberal bias on behalf of the mainstream press, and the complicity of the DNC to coordinate their efforts. Where is move-on.org on this colaboration between CBS and the DNC? Points out their inplausability as an even handed group. CBS as the Tiffany Network is gone, and are just below the NY Times. There is almost enough evidence for the RNC or the feds to file suit against CBS for trying to manipulate an election.<br /><br />Wonder how Mary Mapes will look behind bars???? There is a whole lot more to shake out from this scandal.
 

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"Lockhart said he does not recall talking to Burkett about Bush's Guard records."<br /><br />Lockhart is an old Clinton hand. Even talks like him--notice the use of the word "recall"?<br /><br />Jinx
 

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Notice too that the documents were the reason Mapes asked him to call Burkett. He caught himself in a lie I think.<br /><br />
Lockhart said Mapes asked him the weekend before the story broke to call Burkett. "She basically said there's a guy who is being helpful on the story who wants to talk to you,"
She gave Lockhart a telephone number and asked him to call Bill Burkett, a former Texas National Guard officer who gave CBS the documents
 

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You guys are really stretching your imaginations about the Kerry Campaign's roll in this. As I read it, the ball was already rolling. Somebody just gave the Kerry guys a Heads-up. Nothing unusual about that.<br /><br />Burkett has been a thorn in GW's side since he was Governor...and probably before. He sounds like a stalker to me. Too bad CBS fell for it, but they have nobody to blame but themselves for getting sucked in. It's all the Ratings Game, gentlemen. Not a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.
 

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Somebody just gave the Kerry guys a Heads-up. Nothing unusual about that.<br />
Are you kidding. When its the mainstream media that is communicating directly with the person responsible for orchastrating the Kerry campaign it's not only unusual it is counter to every jounalistic ethic they are suppose to uphold.<br /><br />They traded access to the DNC for documents that slandered the President. This IS unusual.. God I hope it is!!<br /><br />BTW, where was Dan Blathers apology to GW for fabricating a hit piece against him in an election year?
 

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It's not only unusual, but ilegal besides. My vote goes to the canidate with some integrity and honesty. The bombs he drops on his opponent's campaign are not dud's.
 

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12Footer,<br /><br />What bombs, they are simply calling up Kerry's record and letting it speak for itself. The fact that he has no clear message or if he does it changes every couple of weeks therefor it's not clear.<br /><br />The Bush campaign isn't playing dirty or bomb throwing, just asking what today's position is. Looks like Howard Dean is back in power. But we have time, Lieberman may still rule the day.. ;) I am watching someone spinning Kerry's position in a way that is not believable, not consistant with what he said 6 months ago, and not even consistant with what he said on Imus. What a joke this guy is. He can't even enunciate what his own position is so out come his minions and they apparently don't talk to each other.
 

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This is CBS's "unimpeachable" source:<br /><br />CBS backs off Guard story<br />By Dave Moniz, Kevin Johnson and Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY<br /><br />CBS News acknowledged Monday that it received disputed documents critical of President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard from a former Texas Guard officer who now says he lied about where he got them and has doubts about their authenticity.<br /><br />The network said Bill Burkett, a former lieutenant colonel in the Texas Army Guard, was its source for the memos that were the basis of a 60 Minutes broadcast Sept. 8. Burkett provided the documents to USA TODAY later that night.<br /><br />Initially, USA TODAY and other news organizations took the CBS report at face value but in subsequent days, inspired by Internet sites, began to report doubts about the documents' authenticity. For a week, CBS staunchly defended the documents against a stream of experts' opinions that they were fake. In a statement issued Monday, the network acknowledged it had been wrong and said it should not have used the documents.<br /><br />"That was a mistake, which we deeply regret," CBS President Andrew Heyward said. The network's chief anchor, Dan Rather, apologized for "a mistake in judgment."<br /><br />The admission was a major blow to the credibility of the news organization and of Rather, who has a history of skirmishes with politicians and is a favorite target of conservative commentators.<br /><br />Heyward promised an "independent review of the process by which the report was prepared and broadcast to determine what actions need to be taken." The network aired an interview with Burkett on the Evening News Monday, after which Rather said, "I want to say personally and directly, I'm sorry."<br /><br />In interviews in recent days with USA TODAY, both in person and on the phone, Burkett said he had merely been a conduit for the records purported to be from the private files of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, one of Bush's former Guard commanders, who died in 1984. Burkett admitted lying to USA TODAY about the source of the documents but said he did not fabricate the papers.<br /><br />In earlier conversations with USA TODAY, Burkett had identified the source of the documents as George Conn, a former Texas National Guard colleague who works for the U.S. Army in Europe. Burkett now says he made up the story about Conn's involvement to divert attention from himself and the woman he now says provided him with the documents. He told USA TODAY that he also lied to CBS.<br /><br />Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez.<br /><br />When Burkett gave copies of the documents to USA TODAY, it was on the understanding that his identity would not be disclosed. USA TODAY honored that agreement until Burkett waived his confidentiality Monday.<br /><br />"I didn't forge anything," Burkett said. "I didn't fake any documents. The only thing I've done here is to transfer documents from people I thought were real to people I thought were real. And that has been the limitation of my role. I may have been a patsy."<br /><br />The White House on Monday welcomed the network's admission but said it "raised more questions than answers." Communications director Dan Bartlett called for an investigation that includes "whether the president's political opponents were behind these attacks." He added, "Since CBS News and USA TODAY had both obtained these forged documents, we now urge them to lead the way in finding the truth."<br /><br />White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush was told of the CBS statement as he flew to Derry, N.H., for a campaign appearance. McClellan said Burkett "is not an unimpeachable source as was previously claimed. Bill Burkett is a source who has been discredited, and so this raises a lot of questions."<br /><br />Burkett's own doubts about the authenticity of the memos and his inability to supply evidence to show that Ramirez exists also raise questions about his credibility. Burkett has strong anti-Bush views. He has posted comments on Internet Web sites critical of Bush and has chastised Sen. John Kerry's organization for what he called its inept campaign.<br /><br />Tired of 'being the bad guy' <br /><br />Burkett's emotions varied widely in the interviews. One session ended when Burkett suffered a violent seizure and collapsed in his chair. Earlier, he said he was coming forward now to explain what he had done and why to try to salvage his reputation. In the past week, Burkett was named by many news reports as the probable source of the documents.<br /><br />"It's time," Burkett said. "I'm tired of me being the bad guy. I'm tired of losing everything we've got," a reference to his financial and health struggles since he left the Guard. Turning to his wife, Nicki, he said: "We've lost it all, baby. We've lost everything."<br /><br />Sitting in a rocking chair in his weathered ranch house south of Baird, Texas, Burkett recounted his continuing efforts — beginning before he was discharged from the Texas Army National Guard in 1998 — to clean up what he saw as Guard corruption and mismanagement. He said that activity led to a telephone call in March from Ramirez and her offer to provide documents damaging to President Bush.<br /><br />Burkett said Ramirez told him she had seen him the previous month in an appearance on the MSNBC program Hardball, discussing the controversy over whether Bush fulfilled all his obligations for service in the Texas Air Guard during the early 1970s. "There is something I have that I want to make sure gets out," he quoted her as saying.<br /><br />He said Ramirez claimed to possess Killian's "correspondence file," which would prove Burkett's allegations that Bush had problems as a Guard fighter pilot.<br /><br />Burkett said he arranged to get the documents during a trip to Houston for a livestock show in March. But instead of being met at the show by Ramirez, he was approached by a man who asked for Burkett, handed him an envelope and quickly left, Burkett recounted.<br /><br />"I didn't even ask any questions," Burkett said. "Should I have? Yes. Maybe I was duped. I never really even considered that."<br /><br />By Monday, USA TODAY had not been able to locate Ramirez or verify other details of Burkett's account. Three people who worked with Killian in the early 1970s said they don't recognize her name. Burkett promised to provide telephone records that would verify his calls to Ramirez, but he had not done so by Monday night.<br /><br />An acquaintance of Burkett, who he said could corroborate his story, said he was at the livestock show on March 3. The woman, who asked that her name not be used, said Burkett asked if he could put papers inside a box she had at the livestock show. Often, she said, friends ask to store papers in her box that verify their purchases at the livestock auction. She said she did not know the nature of the papers Burkett gave her, and he did not say anything about them.<br /><br />A political hurricane <br /><br />The documents story exploded into view Sept. 8, when 60 Minutes aired a report alleging that Bush had been shown political favoritism in getting into the Texas Air National Guard and that Killian had doubts about his performance as a fighter pilot.<br /><br />The network interviewed Ben Barnes, a former speaker of the Texas House, who said he used his contacts to help Bush get into the Guard and avoid being drafted for Vietnam service. But that interview was eclipsed by the controversy over the rest of the report, which was based on documents supposedly retrieved from a personal file Killian kept and supplied to CBS by Burkett.<br /><br />About an hour after the 60 Minutes story aired, Burkett also gave the documents to a USA TODAY reporter who had flown to meet him in Bozeman, Mont., where he said he was visiting friends.<br /><br />Burkett had twice before been an on-the-record source for USA TODAY stories: a Dec. 18, 2001, story on inflated troop counts in the Guard nationwide — so-called ghost soldiers — and a Feb. 12 story this year in which Burkett recounted what he said were efforts by top Texas Guard officials to "cleanse" Bush's military record of embarrassing information in the summer of 1997.<br /><br />Burkett's comments about cleaning up Bush's file were widely reported. The White House called the accusation "outrageously false."<br /><br />In the Sept. 8 segment on CBS, Bartlett rebutted the charges that Bush failed to fulfill his Guard obligations, but he did not challenge the documents' authenticity. Within hours after the report aired, though, Internet sites began to raise questions about whether the papers were real. Two former FBI forensic document specialists enlisted by USA TODAY to examine the documents said they probably were forgeries.<br /><br />The critiques focused on several factors: individual typed letters in the memos showed variable spacing, a feature rare on 1970s-vintage typewriters, and some terminology wasn't consistent with language used in the Air Guard at that time. Handwriting experts found discrepancies between Killian's signature on the memos and samples of his writing in Bush's publicly released files.<br /><br />Last Tuesday, doubts about the documents' authenticity grew when Killian's former secretary, Marian Carr Knox, told The Dallas Morning News that she didn't type them and that the papers appeared to be fakes.<br /><br />She repeated the account on CBS the next day. But she said in an interview with USA TODAY that Killian had written similar memos, which she had typed, and kept them in a locked drawer in his office at Ellington Air Force Base. Killian, a stickler for rules, was having trouble keeping Bush in line, she said.<br /><br />"I was in a position where I heard a lot, and a lot was said in front of me," Knox, 86, said. "I had been with the military a long time. I know how they think, and I wasn't deaf." She said she liked Bush personally but doesn't approve of him as president.<br /><br />Burkett said he began to have doubts about the papers' authenticity as evidence piled up suggesting they were fabricated. He said that by last Wednesday, he had begun to believe that he had been misled. Finally, he agreed in extended interviews with two USA TODAY reporters to give up his insistence on anonymity and to tell the story of how he says he became a conduit for the documents. USA TODAY spoke with him daily from Thursday through Monday.<br /><br />Intense political feelings <br /><br />Testaments to Burkett's intense feelings about politics are all over his house. On a side table is a copy of the book Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential. In the front entry is a photograph of Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whom his wife supported against Bush in the 2000 Republican primaries.<br /><br />After he received the documents in Houston, Burkett said, he drove home, stopping on the way at a Kinko's shop in Waco to copy the six memos. In the parking lot outside, he said, he burned the ones he had been given and the envelope they were in. Ramirez was worried about leaving forensic evidence on them that might lead back to her, Burkett said, acknowledging that the story sounded fantastic. "This is going to sound like some damn sci-fi movie," he said.<br /><br />After keeping the copies for a couple of days, he said he drove to a location he would not specify, about 100 miles from his ranch, to put them "in cold storage." Burkett said he took the action because he believed the papers were politically explosive and made him nervous. "I treated them like absolute TNT," he said. "They looked to me like they were devastating."<br /><br />Reporters who knew of Burkett's role as a Bush critic continued to call as they searched for files that could fill in details on a gap in Bush's service record. Bush was a well-regarded pilot but stopped flying fighter jets in 1972 and moved to Alabama, where he worked on a political campaign and apparently missed required Guard drills.<br /><br />Ultimately, Burkett decided to turn over the documents to one of the most persistent journalists, CBS producer Mary Mapes, sometime in August. He and his wife met Mapes and CBS reporter Mike Smith at a pizza restaurant a few miles from their ranch. At first he gave them only two of the six documents, which Mapes said she planned to have analyzed for authenticity, according to Burkett.<br /><br />Burkett said he passed the rest of the documents to Smith around Sept. 5, at a drive-in restaurant near Baird.<br /><br />As Burkett told his story, he appeared overwrought, fatigued and unsure of how to deal with what he characterized as the extreme pressure of national attention. He spoke of being under a severe strain.<br /><br />At one point Thursday, as he spoke on a cell phone to his San Antonio lawyer, David Van Os, Burkett's voice froze in midsentence and his body convulsed in a violent seizure. He was helped to the floor and then to a couch. He has had such bouts sporadically over the past several months, but this one was worse, his wife said.<br /><br />The next day, Burkett resumed the interview. He lay on the couch with a wet cloth on his forehead.<br /><br />Conn, the Texas Guard friend Burkett initially identified as the source of the documents, denied any connection in an e-mail exchange with USA TODAY. He wrote: "Know absolutely nothing about the Killian memos." Conn declined to be interviewed further.<br /><br />Pressed about the inconsistency between his initial account and the story of Ramirez, the mysterious Houston source, Burkett confessed that the Conn story had been a lie to throw reporters off the trail.<br /><br />"I just pushed too far," Burkett said. "I implied that George had something to do with this. I lied to you." He said he told the same story to CBS, but asserted that all his other dealings in the documents case had been honest. "I honest to God can't remember anything else I feel bad about," Burkett said.<br /><br />Burkett voiced frustration that his effort to call attention to what he believes are legitimate questions about Bush's military service is now being obscured by a new story line: "that I am some kind of nut."<br /><br />"The only reason I'm going on the record is because I've got to tell the story to save my name."<br /><br /> <br /> Link to Story
 

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I think that THK directed her name calling (scumbags) at the wrong people!
 

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This is all really really stupid.<br /><br />Bush has a proven track record at president. Who cares what he did in the 70s.<br /><br />I really dont care what anyone did back then. I care what you believe in now.<br /><br />Kerry changes his mind everyday, and only says how bad Bush is, but doenst say what he will do differently. What an idiot.<br /><br />Ken
 

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C-BS and all the alphabet channels are biased. I'm glad this surfaced and in being dealt with.<br /><br />Maybe now, the rest of the non-cable news channels will have to conduct themselves in an unbiased, ethical manner.<br /><br />This will only help the Bush Campaign. Poke a fork in Kerry, he's done. Especially if they find out the democratic party had anything to do with this.
 

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As stupid and naive as he is, I don't think Kerry is low-down enought to have had anything to do with this sordid affair.<br /><br />I also don't think GWB had anything to do with the unauthorized Kerry-bashing ads.<br /><br />Both need to distance themselves from this sort of thing, and fire any over-enthusiastic aides who had anything to do with either (I believe GWB already had one aide "resign" over the Kerry bashing).<br /><br />Richard Nixon could tell them both a thing or two about having "anything that works" aides, then trying to cover it all up. It cost him more than we can imagine.
 

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WBW : "As I read it, the ball was already rolling. Somebody just gave the Kerry guys a Heads-up. Nothing unusual about that."<br /><br />That somebody was Mary Mapes who gave the heads up to Joe Lockhart. Mary was the story producer, the one that interviewed with Burkett and who worked the story directly for Dan Rather as the lead person on the story. I heard a little on the news just an hour ago that she is some sort of political activist who went into journalism to make a difference. Regardless of your party affiliation, the smell of this story should stink to all Americans.
 

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I agree with Ladyfish....<br /><br />All this stuff going on just keeps digging Kerry deeper and deeper into the hole.<br /><br />When "the feces gets done hitting the oscillating wind machine", and after all the dust settles, Kerry will be done. It will be all over except the swearing in ceremony for Bush.<br /><br />Butch A.
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> 12Footer,<br /><br />What bombs, they are simply calling up Kerry's record and letting it speak for itself. The fact that he has no clear message or if he does it changes every couple of weeks therefor it's not clear.<br /><br />The Bush campaign isn't playing dirty or bomb throwing, just asking what today's position is. Looks like Howard Dean is back in power. But we have time, Lieberman may still rule the day.. ;) I am watching someone spinning Kerry's position in a way that is not believable, not consistant with what he said 6 months ago, and not even consistant with what he said on Imus. What a joke this guy is. He can't even enunciate what his own position is so out come his minions and they apparently don't talk to each other.
That is what I meant by bombs (attacking kerry's sorry record). He can't even supply, much less, lead our military. And I know they aren't attacking vigorously enough. The speaches Bush makes calling Kerry's record into question do not get air time. Kerry has the alphabet media as his mouthpiece and campaign volunteers. But what upsets me most is the damage Kerry's air time does to military moral, not so much what it does to Bush. If only the alphabets would keep getting caught when they produce BS and forged documents to influence a presidential campaign, there will be joy in mudville. But how likely is that to happen.<br />I hope an independant investigation is begun and soon, so that any further attempts at sugar-coating it, and even further sabotage are abandonned.<br />But what scares me is the ruling on the "Campaign finance reform" laws. The juges are playing with these, "throwing them out" in the midst of a campaign bordering on cival disobedience. The libs still own these judges, and for them to play with the laws, means they have a plan to manipilate the law, or even give them an excuse to break campaign finace laws without reprocussions. Remember, this is the party that gave us Clinton campaign '92, and hanging chads.<br /><br />Do not underestimate thier willingness to warp the democratic process into something else.
 
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