Bullies on the water

[aspeck]

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I will never understand this mentality of blaming the victim. Even if they were wrong to be there it does NOT justify the bullies behavior.

Correct. 2 wrongs never make a right. As I read the story I was thinking, why in the channel??? Could see what was going to happen. But that still does not excuse the actions of the 2 (or 4 if the passengers were partakers in the activities) captains. Just wrong. PERIOD.

 

[southkogs]

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I will never understand this mentality of blaming the victim. Even if they were wrong to be there it does NOT justify the bullies behavior.

... I agree. Though, I'm not 100% positive I would have wanted a gunfire exchange with just a 16' tin gunwale to hide behind. I think some soft of "back alley" justice would probably go farther than police action, but I think we know too little of the tactical situation to know what it was.

Ma & Pa likely weren't the best candidates to "have his back" going into the furball.

 

[Sabbath]

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I will never understand this mentality of blaming the victim. Even if they were wrong to be there it does NOT justify the bullies behavior.

And carrying a gun to deal out your own form of justice is the right way to go about life? The story just sounds like over sensationalism. Nothing in it can be seen as solid fact. Except their admission that they moored close to/in the channel.

Lets play it out in your scenario.

"A man and his elderly parents were moored in the channel on the weekend in a small boat. A larger boat came past and caused the elderly passengers to fall over. The man then opened fire on the passing boat. Returning, and from their better vantage point, the passengers of the boat returned fire, killing the man and his elderly mother and critically injuring the mother. Police are investigating"

 

[rivermouse]

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I think everyone should have an emergency flare gun for such emergencies .Guess where I would aim it.

 

[CheapboatKev]

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There is no easy or perfect answer. I would love to see these guys caught. LEOs cant anchor in the channel as bait as they would be breaking the law themselves and perhaps entrapment would be raised and thus no case.

Here in Florida, it is legal to carry a firearm on your person while on your boat. The castle doctrine laws apply.
Just saying.....

 

[kenmyfam]

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And carrying a gun to deal out your own form of justice is the right way to go about life?

+1 on this question.

 

[southkogs]

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And carrying a gun to deal out your own form of justice is the right way to go about life?

+1 on this question.

Aaaaarrrrrggghhhh!! I was trying to just stay out of it ... but I can't quite walk away:

In principle, carrying a gun to dole out ones own form of justice is not right. Vigilantes are not what's needed in our world. HOWEVER, that's not really what's being discussed here. What's being discussed is defense. The mentioned "bullies" did the original act intentionally and then came back in an aggressive posture to reinforce what they did the first time. That's a defense situation.

Defense of oneself, property and rights is under appreciated these days (at least here in the States), and unfortunately (no offense to any LEOs) the police can't generally be there when you need them - they can just write the reports and investigate. What's the old line, "when seconds count the police are only minutes away?"

 

[bigdee]

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And carrying a gun to deal out your own form of justice is the right way to go about life?

People that I know do not carry them for justice....they carry them for protection so their family & friends do not have to go to a funeral and wonder about justice.

 

[GTS225]

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Y'all don't read very well.

I found this in the local paper
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An elderly Baytown couple, fishing in a small boat with their son last Friday, suffered injuries when men in much larger boats bullied them.
The incident occurred about 9 a.m. Friday when the smaller boat was anchored to one side of the boat channel at the mouth of Red?s Bayou, where it leads into Trinity Bay.?

You notice it says; "to one side of the boat channel"? That suggests they were intirely in thier right to be anchored, without causing any problems to boating, or being a hazard.
From my viewpoint, the bullies committed assault with intent to do great bodily harm, and assault with a deadly weapon, just by making the first pass at that short distance. Try driving your car at a LEO aggressively and see what it gets you.
The victims had every legal right to defend themselves with whatever force they deemed necessary. Those of you who say you would have cowered and appologized to the bullies would not have survived, should those same bullies have had deadlier intent than this particular instance.

Yep, two twelve-guage slugs below the waterline, and another in the outdrive would have delivered the desired message quite well.

Humanity is doomed, should we keep getting infested with the sheep that seems so prevalent.

Roger

 

[mommicked]

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People that I know do not carry them for justice....they carry them for protection so their family & friends do not have to go to a funeral and wonder about justice.

Priceless bigdee, This form of protecting yourself from whatever seems to elude folks who think guns are bad and nobody but LEO or military should have them. In the area I have lived for almost 5 decades, the population has exploded w lots of folks that are not friendly or respectfull towards others. Violent and deadly crimes have gone from almost never occuring to almost daily events. I prefer to have piece of mind knowing I can and will defend myself if it comes down to it. I am not scared or paranoid and hope I never have to hurt anyone, but If i can prevent it, I will not be robbed, assaulted or otherwise harmed by those who can and will do these things to anyone they feel they can w/o resistance or consequence. Furthermore, If "justice" was swift and appropriately dolled out by the legal system, we would all be safer, lots and lots of repeat offenders around these parts.

 

[Sabbath]

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Aaaaarrrrrggghhhh!! I was trying to just stay out of it ... but I can't quite walk away:

In principle, carrying a gun to dole out ones own form of justice is not right. Vigilantes are not what's needed in our world. HOWEVER, that's not really what's being discussed here. What's being discussed is defense. The mentioned "bullies" did the original act intentionally and then came back in an aggressive posture to reinforce what they did the first time. That's a defense situation.

And the logical and reasonable reaction is to shoot them? In which universe is that reasonable.

*Puts on best hick voice*
"He gone looked at me freteninly, so i gone shoot him"

Please.

Defense of oneself, property and rights is under appreciated these days (at least here in the States), and unfortunately (no offense to any LEOs) the police can't generally be there when you need them - they can just write the reports and investigate. What's the old line, "when seconds count the police are only minutes away?"

Again. "He made me fall over, so i shot him"

And they wonder why you turn on the news and there are so many mass killings in the USA. Shoot first, use logic later. But hell, as long as YOUR rights are being upheld, who gives a ....

People that I know do not carry them for justice....they carry them for protection so their family & friends do not have to go to a funeral and wonder about justice.

I dont carry a gun, nor does anybody i know. And the only funerals i've attended have been due to old age and sickness. You're imagining a problem that either isnt there, or is caused by other people thinking the same way as you.

 

[mommicked]

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Sabbath, It sounds like Melbourne is alot different from where I live. Some areas areas on this side of the world are very dangerous at night and in daytime too. Just google WRAL.com and check out the local news and the recent arrests for Wake and surrounding counties that are updated daily. Armed robberies happen daily to merchants and people on the street. Shootings and murders about every other day. Sometimes multiple incidents a day/night. Typically it is not someone who IS armed getting shot. 10 or 20 years ago was alot different than today........Do they have gangs in Australia?? also most of my guns are for hunting, a pleasure/obsession I and many other Americans have enjoyed since the days when it was a way of life and survival. I think hunters may respect firearms more than most, because good ones have seen what they can do to mammals many times.

 

[southkogs]

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And the logical and reasonable reaction is to shoot them? In which universe is that reasonable.

*Puts on best hick voice*
"He gone looked at me freteninly, so i gone shoot him"

Please.



Again. "He made me fall over, so i shot him"

And they wonder why you turn on the news and there are so many mass killings in the USA. Shoot first, use logic later. But hell, as long as YOUR rights are being upheld, who gives a ....


I dont carry a gun, nor does anybody i know. And the only funerals i've attended have been due to old age and sickness. You're imagining a problem that either isnt there, or is caused by other people thinking the same way as you.

I honestly hope that life where you are is as merry and sunny as you seem to believe that it is. The places I've lived in have not been so many times (where I am now though is not bad at all). Your assumptions are completely off target.

BTW - Proper "hick" would be, "He done looked at me freteninly, so I done shot 'im."

 

[LippCJ7]

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Pretty good debate guys!


And no I am not going any further then that!

 

[rbh]

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Sabbath, You have to remember it is not the same were you and I are located, and I bet if we asked our american friends there is a different mind set from certain areas to others in the US.

 

[joewithaboat]

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Sabbath,

Have you ever noticed that mass shootings generally take place in gun free zones? Ive never personally researched it but have read several references to your violent crime going up when your firearm restrictions became more strict.

The recent Colorado Movie theater shooting (gun free zone) here in the U.S., would have ended very differently here in Texas (not a gun free zone). I know lots of people who conceal carry guns. Most don't advertise it.

You don't pull a gun to show it off. You don't shoot holes in someone's boat either.

However, what if the O/P's event had ended with one of his parents falling and suffering a life ending head injury. Would that have justified brandishing a weapon? Maybe, I wasn't there...

I agree with some of the others that these spineless loser's need a good old fashioned butt kick-in.

If they have a problem with them (the o/p and his family) throwing anchor where they are they should pull along side and firmly but civilly explain why.

 

[KDAVID1]

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Nope. Now's the time to get their reg #'s, get their addresses since the reg #'s are public. Hunt them down 1 by 1, give them the business end of a Louisville Slugger, or a pillowcase full of Master Locks!

x2

 

[Bigprairie1]

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Pretty good debate guys!


And no I am not going any further then that!

heh, heh....good one Lipp!! I'm with you...almost. I'm still working on an interesting rebuttle to some of the seemingly misplaced angles in this thread. LOL
....and of course, always a respectful response....which is best.

All good
BP

 

[LippCJ7]

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heh, heh....good one Lipp!! I'm with you...almost. I'm still working on an interesting rebuttle to some of the seemingly misplaced angles in this thread. LOL
....and of course, always a respectful response....which is best.

All good
BP

Figure I'm on the plank already with the mods here, they don't need me stiring the pot anymore LOL

 

[CheapboatKev]

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I knew this would turn into a 2nd amendment debate.
With that said, I'm out.