Bullies on the water

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cgd7777777

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I found this in the local paper




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An elderly Baytown couple, fishing in a small boat with their son last Friday, suffered injuries when men in much larger boats bullied them.
The incident occurred about 9 a.m. Friday when the smaller boat was anchored to one side of the boat channel at the mouth of Red?s Bayou, where it leads into Trinity Bay.
Aaron George, 78, and his 73-year-old wife, Katherine, were invited to go fishing that morning by their son, Edward, who lives in Cove.
Just before dawn they put Edward?s 16-foot aluminum boat in the water from the boat ramp at Hugo Point, followed the bayou to a spot where they would catch some croakers, set the anchor and fished there at the mouth of the bayou rather than setting off into the rougher waters of the bay.

At about 9 a.m. they were about to pull up anchor and leave. Katherine George decided to ride in the bow of the boat and grabbed a rope for balance as it prepared to move.
That?s when it happened.

Two boats had come out of the channel just about then and motored on past. The Georges didn?t think much about it until they heard the roar of boats and looked up to see them bearing down on them.

?We thought they were going to hit us,? said the elder George. ?Instead they roared by within about two feet of our boat ? we could have died right there.?

The resulting wave knocked Aaron George up in the air and then he fell down onto the floor of the boat. Had his wife not already had a firm grip on that rope, they believe she would have been flung out of the boat. Edward George was able to hang on, too. Both suffered some bruises, but nothing worse.

As the smaller boat?s rocking began to slow, Aaron George realized that he was hurt and bleeding badly. He cried out to his son for help.

That?s when they heard the other boats returning.

?They pulled up right beside us and their boat was much bigger so they were much higher than us,? said George.

He said one of the men in that boat grabbed hold of the metal poles holding up the cover over the center console and leaned out over him.

?He spat right on me and said ?I don?t guess ya?ll will park in the channel any more now, will you???

?Then they roared away.?

Aaron George was left battered and bruised and with some serious lacerations to one arm and hand. His wife and son got him into a seat in the boat, then rushed him to the boat ramp, then on to a hospital emergency room.

?There were people there at the boat ramp talking to me while my son got the boat out of the water and they said there?s been some guys bullying people around there quite a lot,? said George. ?They said it goes on at the spillway, too.?

Texas Parks & Wildlife game wardens have jurisdiction over incidents that happen in the area?s lakes, rivers, bayous and bays.
The warden that George spoke with said he could do little about it without some clue to the bullies? identities.

The best thing to do in such circumstances is to get the boat?s registration number, which always starts with ?TX? and must be displayed on the side of every boat.

The Georges didn?t get that.

They did get a description that they hope someone will recognize.

Their assailants were in two large and expensive looking fishing boats.

?They looked like 21-foot center consoles, but they were big ones with the cover or fishing platform over the console and one of them had the fancy radio antennas, I think,? said George.

The men in the two boats all appeared to be in their late 20s or early 30s and they were all dressed alike in white fishing-style shirts, he said.

The Georges hope somebody can help identify them.

?They need to be caught,? she said. ?I think all the people on the bay need to be on the lookout for them and get their TX number and report them. Let?s get them off of the water.?
 

Harritwo

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The Bullies need a lesson they will never forget. There is absolutely no excuse for that kind of behavior ever.
 

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In my mellowed old age I sometimes fool myself that I have learned not to hate.

Wrong.

The best I can do is not hate the person, but I do passionately hate the behavior.:mad:
 

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WOW not much the law can do on 3 counts of Aggravated Assault and possibly one count of Aggravated Battery?

"Texas Parks & Wildlife game wardens have jurisdiction over incidents that happen in the area’s lakes, rivers, bayous and bays.
The warden that George spoke with said he could do little about it without some clue to the bullies’ identities."


hummmmmm......

Doesn't sound right and I find it hard to believe that a Game Warden would have jurisdiction on a Criminal complaint either, I bet this will go much further then the news story states. The moment one of the passengers became injured by the Bullies actions this became a much bigger crime, but then were talking another State so who knows...
 

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WOW not much the law can do on 3 counts of Aggravated Assault and possibly one count of Aggravated Battery?

"Texas Parks & Wildlife game wardens have jurisdiction over incidents that happen in the area’s lakes, rivers, bayous and bays.
The warden that George spoke with said he could do little about it without some clue to the bullies’ identities."


hummmmmm......

Doesn't sound right and I find it hard to believe that a Game Warden would have jurisdiction on a Criminal complaint either, I bet this will go much further then the news story states. The moment one of the passengers became injured by the Bullies actions this became a much bigger crime, but then were talking another State so who knows...

Lippster, I think the point is they can't do anything until they find out who the guys are. This is unbelievable.
 

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Here in MN, "game wardens" are fully licensed police officers, same licensing and training as all other police officers in the state, just a different job focus. I wouldn't be surprised if its the same in TX. Nothing would prevent them from getting assistane from other area LE, such as the Sheriff's office, should that become necessary.

Believe me, there is nothing LE would like to do more than nail the cowards comitting these acts. But at the same time, process has to be followed. There are things like needing probable cause, following due process, and the Constitution that protect us from overly agressive law enforcement.

Unfortunately in this case, using only the information in the newpaper story, LE's hands are tied. You can't stop and question every boat matching the generic description of a 21 or so foot center console boat with some 20 - 30 year old men. Even if you could, you think these idiots would actually admit to doing anything? If you're scummy enough to behave this way, you are certainly scummy enough to lie.

Hopefully if these idiots keep acting this way sooner or later someone will get their registration numbers, photo or video of their behavior, and give the police something solid to act upon.

Do it correctly and these guys will ultimately pay. Do it incorrectly and they walk.
 

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Well thats what I was getting at, here in CO its pretty similar the Warden handles wildlife related criminal issues once it becomes personal its different but in a pinch they can handle it, so say if a Warden walks up on a Battery in progress he would handle it but call the locals to file if possible, they just don't have the man power to watch over their primary focus much less open it up to everything else. Working in our Jail I have yet to see the Warden, but have seen Park Rangers which was surprise since they work in the same way unless its boating related say a BUI or say something like this, obviously getting the hull numbers off of one of these boats would have been great but due to the severity of this incident I believe my Sheriffs Office would have been all over this, pretty severe incident in light of the intimidation and injuries and all. I mean the injuries are one thing but to turn around and rub their nose in it? Man I wished I had been there...
 

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Given that this is happening in Texas there might be a little old fashioned enforcement if they keep it up.:eek:
 

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Yeah I agree with you Bubba probably not the best idea to anchor up in the middle but to endanger the safety of someone else is probably the biggest reason I want to be a LEO this is just getting out of hand or maybe I am just getting grouchy as I age....

Who Knows?
 

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The bullies did intentionally intend to cause harm which is a crime. Their return to the scene is evidence of that. The person operating the small fishing boat should also be cited for gross negligence. Although they were anchored to the side they were still in the channel and you cannot legally anchor in a clearly marked channel for reasons other than an emergency. Had the LEO's responded to the incident they would have been easily able to cite the folks in the fishing boat but IMHO they did there best to understand the situation and deal with it from the perception that in fact, the operator of the small boat had learned his lesson.

I'm pretty sure the LEO was using his head and thinking that if I go after the bullies I also have to go after you so either everybody goes to jail or nobody goes. I'm glad it wasn't my decision to make.
 

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Given that this is happening in Texas there might be a little old fashioned enforcement if they keep it up.:eek:
... kinda' with ya'. Can you "keel haul" from a 16' tinny?
 

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Bow mount fifty cal would work...

Edit: My Dad served in Vietnam, I'll have to ask him if he ever did any time on a PBR. This looks like a wild ride!

Vietnam_era_Mk_II_PBR_making_a_hard_right_turn.jpg
 

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Since the boat returned it would set the stage for “stand your ground”. I keep a firearm for situations like that.
 

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It's no too hard to figure out that someone needs to go back to that spot and wait for the bullies to return, then get photo and video documentation for legal prosecution.

It would be my pleasure to do this if those were my home waters.
 

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Hate to hear this sort of thing. Soon enough they will do something to the wrong person and learn to regret it. Hopefully nobody else is hurt before then.
 

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OK... Question to those that feel a little "Texas style" justice should be awarded to those bullies.
Wouldn't that make YOU the same as them?
That's what they were doing when they saw some halfwit anchored in the channel.
 

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OK... Question to those that feel a little "Texas style" justice should be awarded to those bullies.
Wouldn't that make YOU the same as them?
That's what they were doing when they saw some halfwit anchored in the channel.

Not even close. The idiots were agressive and threatining toward some elderly folk who were vounerable to 4 agressive morons.
You could even call this a use of deadly force under the circumstances of being almost run over by these dolts.

Big difference between self defense and what these cowards did. Four (physically) grown men going off on 2 elderly?
They could certainly have been in fear of their lives when these twits retured to brandish and possible use a metal pole on them?
Deadly force can be answered by deadly force. If I had the presence of mind, I'd have drawn on them upon their agressive behavior on their return.
 

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^^^^^^^^ What he said. I would hope w TWO boats it should'nt be too hard to find them, they're probably all bullybuddies and bragged about it afterward. Punishing them might be impossible though.
 

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^^^I didn't mean for the elderly couple and there son to not defend themselves...
I'm all for that, but they didn't.
And for someone else to step in to "correct" the bullies other than the law would make them the same as the bullies for trying to enforce the laws themselves.

The bullies saw idiots blocking the channel. The bullies try enforcing a law that is not up to them to enforce and in turn become the idiots. Now if you don't like what they did and you decide to take action yourself to correct the bullies behavior, what does that make you???

My point is adding more wrong does not make right!
 

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OK... Question to those that feel a little "Texas style" justice should be awarded to those bullies.
Wouldn't that make YOU the same as them?
That's what they were doing when they saw some halfwit anchored in the channel.

Halfwit or not endangering the life of another human being doesn't make it right, in fact just the opposite what they did was against the law and I as well as others would have taken issue with that should we have witnessed the incident, in fact I could go further and say that since they returned it could have been far worse, this could have been very bad.

I am not a LEO But I am sworn to uphold the law under my Sheriff by his policies, Had I witnessed this I swore that I would take action, not "Texas Style" Legal Style.
 
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