Bill Of No Rights!

trollhole

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The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from GA. The guy should have run for president.....<br /> <br />"We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more<br />riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden,<br />delusional and other liberal bed-wetters.<br />We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights."<br /> <br /><br />ARTICLE I:<br />You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one<br />is guaranteeing anything.<br /><br />ARTICLE II:<br />You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be ... and like the rest of us, you need to simply deal with it.<br /><br />ARTICLE III:<br />You do not have the right to be free from harm.<br />If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives<br />independently wealthy.<br /><br />ARTICLE IV:<br />You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.<br /><br />ARTICLE V:<br />You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.<br /> <br />ARTICLE VI:<br />You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised<br />if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.<br /> <br /> <br />ARTICLE VII:<br />You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV, pool tables, weight rooms or a life of leisure.<br /> <br /> <br />ARTICLE VIII:<br />You don't have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take<br />advantage of the opportunities of part time jobs, education and vocational training aid before you to make yourself useful.<br /><br /> <br />ARTICLE IX:<br />You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier<br />if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights,"<br /> <br /> <br />ARTICLE X:<br />This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from. We welcome you here. English is our language and, like the one you left<br />behind, we also have a culture. Learn it or go back to the country and the living conditions you were fleeing. :D :D
 

NOSLEEP

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Can you get a Canadian version<br />of that. :D
 

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Thank you ;) <br /><br />
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Bart Sr.

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I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Saw this on the web and thought I'd add it.<br /><br />I'm a Bad American-this pretty much sums it up for me. I like big trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women.<br /><br />I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.<br /><br />I don't care about appearing compassionate.<br /><br />I think playing with toy guns doesn't make you a killer. I believe<br />ignoring your kids and giving them Prozac might.<br /><br />I think I'm doing better than the homeless.<br /><br />I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I have<br />the right not to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird or make me mad. This is my life to live, and not necessarily up to others' expectations. I know what SEX is and there are not varying degrees of<br />it.<br /><br />I don't celebrate Kwanzaa. But if you want to that's fine; I just don't feel like everyone else should have to.<br /><br />I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of cigarettes, or hotel room you do it in English. As of matter of fact, if you are an American citizen you should speak English. My uncles and forefathers shouldn't have had to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours, and make us bend to your will. Get over it.<br /><br />I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop' in English, see the previous line.<br /><br />I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for<br />unpopular opinions or actions.<br /><br />I know how to count votes and I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation do a recount when needed. I know what the definition of lying is, and it isn't based on the word "is"-ever.<br /><br />I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you qualify for any special loan programs, gov't sponsored bank loans, etc., so you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or any thing else, while the ndigenous peoples can't get past a high school education because they can't afford it.<br /><br />I didn't take the initiative in inventing the Internet.<br /><br />I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny.<br /><br />I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.<br /><br />I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to that crap from someone else's car when I'm stopped at a red light. But I respect your<br />right to.<br /><br />I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster or Jack In The Box.<br /><br />I don't want to eat or drink anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package.<br /><br />Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it's a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what<br />they said - now leave the document alone, or there's going to be trouble.<br /><br />I don't hate the rich. I help the poor. I know wrestling is fake.I've never owned, or was a slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers weren't wealthy enough to own one either. Please stop blaming me because some prior white people were idiots - and remember, tons of white,<br />Indian, Chinese, and other races have been enslaved too - it was wrong for everyone of them.<br /><br />I believe a self-righteous liberal Democrat with a cause is more<br />dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.<br /><br />I want to know exactly which church is it where the "Reverend" Jessie Jackson preaches; and, what exactly is his job function.<br /><br />I own a gun, you can own a gun, and any red blooded American should be allowed to own a gun, but if you use it in a crime, then you will serve the time.<br /><br />I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it makes you mad, then invent the next operating system that's better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you.<br /><br />I don't believe in hate crime legislation. Even suggesting it makes me mad. You're telling me that someone who is a minority, gay, disabled, another nationality, or otherwise different from the mainstream of this country has more value as a human being that I do as a white male. If someone kills anyone, I'd say that it's a hate crime. We don't need more<br />laws! Let's enforce the ones we already have.<br /><br />I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake anything sucks.<br /><br />I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child-it takes a parent with the guts to stand up to the kid and spank his butt and say "NO!" when it's necessaryto do so.<br /><br />I'll admit that the only movie that ever made me cry was Ole Yeller.<br /><br />I didn't realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a kid.<br /><br />I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon or be made to keep silent because I have these beliefs and opinions. I thought this country allowed me that right. I will not conform or compromise just to keep from hurting somebody's feelings. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise.<br /><br />Yes, I guess by some people's definition, I may be a bad American.
 

plywoody

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This thing has been around for ages, and it is no less disgusting than it was when it first appeared.<br /><br />It is a typical straw man argument of many conservatives that like to simplify issues, and then come up with easy simple solutions. And then act as if somehow upper-middle class white men are somehow an oppressed species. Give me a break.<br /><br />I know of no one that truly expects the government to purchase them a big screen TV. for example.<br /><br />Yes, there are people that do not achieve what others achieve, for whatever reason. As a society, we have serious questions about what to do with some of these people, and how to do it. There have been lots of programs that have not worked, but then there have been lots of programs that have worked, and turned people's lives around. Perhaps we want to just be some sort of Darwinian society that throws away its less than perfect citizens away? If this is what we want, fine, but no longer lecture me on the wisdom of banning all abortions, for example.<br /><br />I am sure there are abuses, and I am all for eliminating abuses wherever one finds them, and finding ways for those who wish to turn their lives around to do it. But it is a serious issue, and cannot be dealt with in this flippant way.<br /><br />A personal story. My daughter is blind, independent, a junior at Oregon State University.<br />Recently there was a big clamor over lowering taxes here, so an initiative was passed to cut funding for public transportation. It passed. among other things, now there is no weekend bus service, and no off hours bus service. At all. So now if she wants to go anywhere at any off hour, she either has to find a friend to take her, or she needs to get a cab. but not only that, many that previously took public transit no longer do, and now the freeways around here are jammed worse than ever!<br />So what do these tax cutters want to do? cut more services elsewhere so they can build bigger and better hiways to account for all the increased traffic--probably to the tune of three times what they saved slashing transit.<br />Or the latest budget cutting initiative, which ended up, among lots of other programs, cutting the little help the state gave for vocational rehab to help in her college tuition. It doesn't matter that she needs to spend thousands of dollars for specialized computer equipment to compete in today's college, we want to make sure she does not get any advantage in the tuition rate! The government does everything in its power to get her to go on SSDI (no, social security is *not* a retirement plan, as all you conservatives claim) She refuses, and works, makes a living, pays taxes, and is succeeding, but it is in spite of all the conservative types with all this trip trap meaningless gibberish that goes after the funding for programs that affect disproportionately the weakest in this society.<br /><br />As long as I am on a rant, may as well go after all the hubbub surrounding affirmative action as well. Give me a break! this has always been a society where who you know, and who you are related to, is far more important than what you know, and yet all the noise made by this white upper middle class oppressed species makes me ill. There is some irony, I think, that the only way our President got into Yale was as a Legacy student, who got preference because his relatives went there, and no doubt contributed lots to the university--will we eliminate all this in deference to "fairness" get real. It will never happen.<br />I do not advocate giving spots to clearly unqualified people. But there are ususally lots of qualified people, and some get admitted on various preferential treatment programs, including legacy appointments, among others. To give a black person a few points in the admission process in the name of diversity is just about the least this country can do. We should embrace it, and not sound like it is the end of the world as we know it!
 

NathanY

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There are simple solutions to every problem, but it is the Liberals that make everything so complicated.<br /><br />I do not believe that anyone should be given anything to anyone based on Race, Religion, and whatever and it makes me sick to see that people want to do that. The government does not owe anyone anything. If someone wants something, they need to get off their @ss and do something about it. I do not bust my butt everyday to pay out 30% of my paycheck to BS taxes.<br /><br />I dont care what you think, and that is my right, just like you probably dont care what I think, but I will respect your opinion.
 

Bigfun

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Plywoody, you sure no how to spoil a party. Shame on you for trying to use your daughter to support your failed liberal beliefs.
 

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And what is wrong with keeping it simple, or "over simplifying" as you put it?<br />It is when things are more complicated than need be, that they fail to function as planned.<br />Ask any engineer. They are taught "KISS" methods before they are taught anything else!<br />And if one looks at what is happening to our country, he has but to ask the simple question, "is what i am seeing right, or good for my kids"? If it is what you want for your children and grandkids, then fine, stand back, and allow it to continue.<br />But understand, those of us who are sick of the degridation, crime, sloth, ect, will speak-out against it, fight it in the ballot, and in our nieghborhoods.<br />Sure, if it aint broke, don't fix it. But it is broke ,and those posts "simply" speak the truth.
 

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And another thing.<br />The form-post is somewhat sarcastic. If it hurts, think about why it offends you tonight as you lay awake in bed.<br />There is an underlying reason. Whereas it is funny and sarcastic, it is still the truth, as seen from the eyes of most tax payers.<br />it just gets old. That post shows it real age. I would say late 80's, early 90's. This is due to the word "Welfare". They don't use it much these days.<br />But big government hasn't changed a whole lot. But "welfare" has been sucessfully attacked, and trimmed into a more helpfull, less-abused subsystem. And we are not done yet.<br />There will be increases for the truely needy, decreases for the abusers.<br />That is, if the obstructionism ever lets-up.<br />But i'll keep voting as long as I draw breath.
 

plywoody

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Stuff like that "Bill of Rights" thing adds nothing whatever to the dialog or the debate, but rather just inflames silly, unsubstantiated, mostly incorrect ideas.<br />And I am aware that conservatives, when at a loss for real data and real arguments, resort to throwing around the "liberal" label as if that made any sense whatsoever in any sort of argument. I am used to it. <br /><br />And in no way did I use my daughter in any way other than to show what these ill-thought out emotional reactions and resultant poor public policy that tends to come out of them have, and the real effect it may have on real people.<br />My daughter will do fine. She is doing fine. She does not need your help. Sadly, for the most part, the blind, and other disabled community, is not. Approximately 70 % of the blind community is on SSDI. The reasons are many and varied for this, some internal and some not. But cutting programs, which is what is currently being done, is not likely to help.<br /><br />And I take it that you are not in favor of keeping the Legacy programs for admissions either, right? Or any other program that may favor your child over another? Pure meritocracy!<br /><br />Yeah, right!
 

Beaux

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Plywoody-<br />Obviously, you feel deeply about your views on government assistance for good reason. I just ask that if you are going to point out the "rhetoric" of others concerning liberalism that you do so without countering with more rhetoric yourself. The comments in my last paragraph do not reflect my view toward your daughter. I am truly inspired and impressed that she is working things out for herself. Do not take my comments below as attacking your specific situation. <br /> <br />I fall directly into your "upper/middle class priviledged" description with one BIG exception. My parents were both public school teachers in a state which has the lowest paid teachers in the US. I EARNED my scholarship to a private college because I was raised right and made good grades. I still walked out with some small student loans because my parents could not afford to give me assistance. Then I borrowed money to attend professional school for four years to a tune of $95,000.00 in loans. I knew noone in the school's administration and neither did my parents or friends to get me special admission or treatment. Oh, by the way, the minority students at my professinal school attended free because of their race alone(not a merit award). Actually minorities were allowed free/private/exclusive study sessions on the hard subjects (gross anatomy/neuroanatomy/physiology) by the professors during the summer before the classes even began. I know....... they didnt have the opportunities that I did right? NOT, for example, one of them has a lot of family money and went to private high school and his dad practically owns the town they live in. This guy was driving around in a new car every year...and he wont even have loans to pay back. <br /><br />On another point, this whole idea that I should pay more tax to help others than I already do. I am referring to not getting a portion of the new tax cuts if democrats had there way . That is a crock. I already pay higher taxes (higher percentage) and the way the some democrats want to lower the burden on the nontaxpaying citizens by giving them a refund tax credit is simply UNBELIEVABLE. Some will get money back without even having an income tax burden in the first place. I dont get to write off my student loan interest (make to much $), dont get to receive the 600 child credits (make to much $), don't get to deduct my IRA savings (make to much money), Dont get to deduct my medical expenses, and am penalized for being married and responsible, etc. Where are all these supposed tax laws that democrats keep saying Bush is helping high income earners with? <br />Dont whine about government assistance, special preferences, funding cuts , affirmative action, etc as if ANY of that is deserved simply because you are a US citizen. These programs breed a culture that promotes complacency and lack of ambition. <br /><br />There are only two exceptions to me feeling that government assistance should be given long term. <br />1) Severely disabled citizens<br />2) Mentally retarded/incompetent citizens<br />Other than those two excetions, Look to family, friends, or here is a novel idea- Look to YOURSELF to get what you need. This is not the country of ask and you shall receive. The only guarantee should be that of opportunity. <br />I am tired of paying for freeloaders that still whine about how much,etc that they get. For the few that NEED/DESERVE my help, I gladly pay and will pay. To the others, Get a JOB... and you wont have so much time to sit around and whine with your hand out. <br /> <br /> :mad: :) :) :D
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Beaux hit the nail right on the head, so I won't add to much to it.<br />Just for me, there are people out there that won't work in a pie factory as the old saying goes and I too, don't want to have to pay for them, just cause they are to lazy to work.<br />I hear it all the time, "There are no jobs around here".<br />Thats a cop-out if I have ever heard one.<br />Yea, maybe not a 100,000 dollar a year job, but hey, there is mickey dees and burger king, whats wrong with them? It's a job, and if you are working, I don't have to pay for you.<br />Like beaux said, GET A JOB :mad: <br />I don't have all the fancy education like a lot of people do, but I get by cause I am not afraid of work and it was instilled in me at a young age what the values of life was, and it was not sit on your behind and let other people pay for you.<br />A few years back, you could sit at home and deal out babys and get that much welfare, but the government cut that number down to 2, which they should have done a long time ago.<br />As long as they could sit at home and get them welfare payments, which went in their pockets instead of the kids, they would, but not anymore. :D
 

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Got to say something here about what has been brought up here. I doubt there is any red blodded Americian in this day and age that would take away any service or advantage that helps out any truly disabled person. The problem with all of the social services that this country funds is people who cheat the system. I am all for helping out those that truly need it but you can't tell me everyone that is on welfare, EBT, disability or any other program truthfully needs to be. I personally know some parents with 9 children the first two are fine but the 3rd has a slight mental disability which qualified him for SSI which is a $500 check. Guess what mom and dad decided to do? Have more children to get more money. they now have 7 kids recieving a check and guess who does not work or do anything but spend the money? Some people here will say that they are entitled to have as many kids as they want and to a point I agree but the parents have openly said the only reason they had the kids was for the money. Or better yet the parent that will not let us put thier child into classes where he can get a diploma because that may mess up "the" check like it did his sister. Or the parent that had her son quit work because he was getting a check (don't get the full amount if he works) and then cut peoples grass and such for cash so she could still stay at home and spend his money for booze? These are just a few examples I know personally not to mention the lady with food stamps driving a new Lexus. The system is good and I am glad it gives those that need it a hand but it also needs to be restructured to make sure it only helps those that realy need it rather than those that abuse it. In other words if you truly can't work I don't mind supporting you but if you are too lazy to work you should be forced to find a job or just SOL.<br />One more thing about folks needing to speak English. I think that if you go to a country to live there and work there you should know enough of the native language to communicate on a buisness level. If you recently came over I can understand you not knowing the language but you should be learning it. I feel so strongly about this that I think the Government should take some of the "welfare" money we will save by making sure the funds only go to those that truly need it and having free English as a Second Language classes for adults. We have it in school and it is offered at a cost in adult ed but it should be a free and required thing for those that legally move in.
 

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Plywoody, I am with you. I too am in the high interest bracket. I am willing to pay more for programs that work. While I don't like increases any more than the next person, I am glad to pay my taxes for the services I receive. It is easy to sit by and say, let’s cut this program and that, but when it comes down to it, how expensive is it to make jails instead of training people to work? I know a lot of people that work just as hard as I do, if not harder, that have a hard time making ends meet or even getting health insurance. They work multiple jobs for low wages. This simplifying everything does not get down to the root of the problem. How many times have any of us actually been there so we can understand the problems out there. The largest portion of the population that is being helped is not trying to get something for nothing. Not everyone on assistance is a crack addict that just wants their next high or their next free check. Yes there are abusers. I think they should be in jail for taking from the people that really need it temporarily or in the cases of some disabilities permanent help.
 

plywoody

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Thanks, Scoop. I appreciate it.<br />I guess I prefer to work and deal in the real world, and not some fantasy world of what we wish would be.<br />Would it be great if everyone had all the advantages and knew how to work hard to get ahead in this world. Of course it would. And I have as well. I have never had any benefit from any special program from the government, and I have taught my daughter to be able to advocate for herself, and succeed on her own. She talked her way into flipping burgers at McDonalds, she worked her way up to become a "closer" at Taco Bell, and now she is working as sales and tech support for high tech adaptive equipment that was developed at Oregon State. While maintaining honor roll status as a math and computer science major at OSU. Do I wish everyone was like her? Of course.<br />But the sad fact is they are not, and the question becomes what can we do? It is cost effective to get previously unproductive members of society into being productive tax paying members. Clinton showed this to some degree with the welfare reform act, and the unprecedented low unemployment rate. (Another of the failed liberal programs!) We have an outstanding higher education system, and we have people that study this problem diligently, and there *have* to be answers on what is and isn't effective, and why.<br /><br />I would welcome debates on why one program is not effective, or another is, and why, and the like...But just to suggest that all of these people are simply lazy and hoping for a free ride, and all they have to do is work hard and everything will be peachy is silly, won't work, and will never do anything to solve a very real problem we have.<br /><br />No matter how you cut it, whether you wish to go back to a ****ens world of debtor's prisons or other warehouses of inferior people somehow, it will cost money. It will always be cost effective to find some way for these people to contribute something valuable to society, and, in the real world as it is, it is up to the rest of society somehow to find out how best to do that.<br /><br />There are programs that work. There has to be a comittment from the powers that be to help find a workable solution, with all the analytical and measurment skills we can muster to achieve the desired results. Cute things like this "Bill of no rights" run absolutely counter to any progress of anything, and why I am so vehement about it.<br /><br />And BTW, I do not consider myself a liberal. I reject many "Democratic" ideas. I consider myself a pragmatist, in that I prefer to take a problem as it exists in the real world, analyze it, identify what precisely the problem is, and attempt to solve it in any realistic way possible. Unfortunately, the simple answers rarely work. If they would, it would be great, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
 

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Scoop-<br />Although I probably disagree a majority of your political views I have seen posted on this board, I would like to agree with you on what I see as two glaring similarities in your above comments.<br /><br />1. " I know a lot of people that work just as hard as I do, if not harder, that have a hard time making ends meet or even getting health insurance. They work multiple jobs for low wages. "<br />2. " people that really need it temporarily or in the cases of some disabilities permanent help "<br /><br />I think WE both agree, your #1 statement is the way it should be in this country. You use it as an example for welfare subsidies, and I use it as the example of why we dont need it for MOST citizens. Is your complaint that NOONE should have to work that hard to earn a living??? Well,to me it sounds like that person is eating and living in a house. I bet if you go in to their house, you will see MORE than one TV, probably more than One CAR in the driveway, AND A WHOLE LOT OF AMMENITIES NOT NEEDED to get along with life. Government handouts should not be there to make everyone have the same lifestyle or even quality of life....that was the failed idea behind socialist governments of the past. Unfortunately, in this country, the decisions you make about your education, business choices, personal choices,chances you take, etc all determine how your life will end up in comparison to other citizens. That is what causes people to excell and push themselves to obtain whatever desires they have developed. <br />As to your second statement, I also realize that some in our country warrant the sympathy and generosity of this great nation. I like you, am glad to pay my share to help these citizens. A good is example is the story given by Plywoody about his daughter. Her personal difficulties have not stopped her from developing goals and obtaining them. I think any rational human would be empathetic to that plight and help in whatever way they could. But, THE MAJORITY of the recipients are not experiencing such life challenges. This generation of welfare "addicts" we have created are the ones who I detest and argue with you about. I have enjoyed this.... I will read on but will not bore you guys with any more of my banter. Unless directly asked to reply on this topic. Thanks :D :D
 

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Beaux, I definitely agree that no one should have to subsidize anyone's luxuries. TV with cable, or mutiple cars are luxuries. Health care is a basic necessity of life which is either given up front or more expensively in the emergency rooms.<br /><br />I know there are people that would rather have a handout than work, but I know this is not the majority. I know too many people that are embarassed to have to use assistance for even a short while. I also know someone that did cheat welfare before I knew them. If I would have known them then, I would have turned them in myself. Someone else did anyway. These are not friends but relatives by marriage.<br /><br />I know that you and I are probably on opposite ends of the spectrum. I would considered myself a die-hard liberal and am proud of it. I have been to the point where I had to raid the change jar to buy food or gas to get to work, but I always work and work hard no matter what the job or the pay. I remember the years of working two jobs and eating ramen noodles and hearing gunshots in the neighborhoods I could afford to live in. Hopefully I will never see those days again.
 
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