baoting accident question.

[Firestar]

Re: baoting accident question.

His responses and explanations of the incident are those of a young, as all young males are.... I know what I am doing. He will never own up to his responsibility. He is very lucky he is alive. He still feels that that other guy caused the accident. Steve is immature.
Steve feel lucky you are alive. Don't repeat what you have done. The water ways dealt with in a way you have contributes to deaths. Own it! GROW UP!
Thank God that you are still alive. Get it in your head that on the water you and only you are responsible for what happens. I felt compelled to voice this after reading your response's. I feel that if you continue to maintain your outlook on events that YOU contributed to, you have not learned anything .....your luck will run out. You will be a statistic.

 

[Silver/Fish]

Re: baoting accident question.

Did either YOU or the boater think about slowing down? Stoping before your turn?

I've boated for 40 years and very rarely heard a horn to signal a pass. (Mostly in-land lakes) Maybe once or twice.

Sorry, not what you want to hear. And if this should go to trial and some of the jury are boaters...Well, best of luck. Sorry for your injuries, it's not good for either of ( our sport/hobby) Only more regulation etc.

 

[steve23guy]

Re: baoting accident question.

ohh no, trust me, ive learned my lesson.. i actualy get scared on the water, a boat comes by, even remotly close. i STOP and wait.. i went tubing with friends recently, and found myself seeing a boat in the distance and jumping off .. i see every single boat thats even remotly close to me now

 

[Firestar]

Re: baoting accident question.

I am really glad to hear of your widened awareness. I hope that all of your future outings are filled with nothing but pleasure.
No other activity that I participate in gives me the peace and sense of well being that boating does.
I wish you well.

 

[jake069]

Re: baoting accident question.

and just HOW is the PWC rider going to signal you

Probably with the whistle or Horn it is required to have in IL
http://dnr.state.il.us/admin/systems/Boats/pdf/Boat_Digest_06.pdf 7-e

make sure your lawyer knows a vessel less than 12 meters long is not required to have a horn......

xtraham -- Maybe you could show me where it states length?
http://dnr.state.il.us/admin/systems/Boats/pdf/Boat_Digest_06.pdf 7-e

 

[jake069]

Re: baoting accident question.

fox river grove/cary
Southbound just past the rt 14 bridge.

here ya go, I can snap pics this weekend if anyone likes

 

[xtraham]

Re: baoting accident question.

and just HOW is the PWC rider going to signal you

Probably with the whistle or Horn it is required to have in IL
http://dnr.state.il.us/admin/systems/Boats/pdf/Boat_Digest_06.pdf 7-e

chapter 7 paragraph E of your info states, "whistle not horn",
forget that info, it is just information provided by your local dnr, look up uscg rules of the road, you will find all federal info there

make sure your lawyer knows a vessel less than 12 meters long is not required to have a horn......

xtraham -- Maybe you could show me where it states length?
http://dnr.state.il.us/admin/systems/Boats/pdf/Boat_Digest_06.pdf 7-e

 

[jake069]

Re: baoting accident question.

it is just information provided by your local dnr

Are you kidding me????????
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...000&ActName=Boat+Registration+and+Safety+Act.

(625 ILCS 45/4-4) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 314-4)
Sec. 4-4. Whistles.) It is unlawful to operate a motorboat without a mouth, hand or power operated whistle, horn or other appliance, capable of producing a blast of 2 seconds or more duration and audible for at least one-half mile.
(Source: P.A. 82-783.)

I also managed to come accross th
625 ILCS 45/5-13) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 315-8)
Sec. 5-13. Traffic rules. A. Passing. When 2 boats
C. Overtaking. One boat may overtake another on either side but must grant right of way to the overtaken boat.

 

[diaric]

Re: baoting accident question.

the officer has a boatload of witnessess, pwc operator has none. great investigation :'(

 

[Drrockter]

Re: baoting accident question.

I have to be honest. On our small lake I don't hear people sounding their horns at all. Nor have I in the one or two times I have overtaken.

 

[xtraham]

Re: baoting accident question.

jake you are preaching to the choir, trust me you do not have to post rules of the road for me, and you are not understanding this, they when read properly are stating either/or.........not trying to be argumentive here, but if there is one thing I know is rules of the road.. we are getting of topic here but this thread is dead as far as i am concerned, have a nice day

 

[Bondo]

Re: baoting accident question.

Am I missing something here? What is the big deal with not having insurance?

Well in this case it's a 90,000 dollar medical bill plus pain and suffering.

.All you guys with payments may be required to have it, but I don't think those of us who outright own are. That said, I think it's insane to not have it, but not as incredulous as it is being made out to be.

I never once thought Steve to be incredulous. I do believe he is very irresponsible.

The original post was about the rules.

Which both operators disreguarded.

Few people are paying attention to the real issues, this has become "pile on the PWC guy". If this cat was in a boat, or fishing, this thread would have taken a completely different course. This guy told us what happened, seems to have enough witnesses to prove it in court, got run over at 55mph! and injured, but he was driving a PWC so screw him...we don't like PWC's...

At least not in my post. I even stated in one of my post I didn't care what he was driving. I see stupid operators, operating all types of watercraft.

Reel Poor are you seriously saying that if some jackass mowed you down in a similar fashion, resulting in the same level of injury, that you would just sell everything you own to pay the medical bills and chalk it up to lesson learned!!

Well bjcsc, in this particular case, if Steve was "mowed down" it's because, Steve jumped under the mower. This accident happened because both, catch that word,"BOTH", operators didn't adhear to to safe or legal operating procedures. If Steve had been "mowed down", by no fault of his own then I would say he is on the right road. But that is not case. Therefore I believe he has no
moral ground to stand on.

Now to answer your question directly. Yes I would. But, then again, you won't find me in this situation (without insurance). Insurance is a neccessity in life not an option, unfortunately. Some things in life are pleasure items and should come secondary to all neccessities.

Look, I'm really not against the guy personaly, but I am totaly against frivolous law suits.

As Usual,......... I Agree with RP,......100%.............

1 more Off Topic comment,.........
Steve,...... Either learn How to Spell,...... Or use the Spell Checker........
"baoting accident question"
Boating is spelled with an "oa",...........

Your posts look more like that of a 14 year old,.... Rather than a 24 year old.........

It Appears that you want the Other Guy's Insurance Co. to Pay for YOUR lack of Insurance...................

Just the Fact that You State you LOOKED,+ Didn't SEE him,.......
Says that You Didn't LOOK..............

 

[Silvertip]

Re: baoting accident question.

Has anyone considered the fact that we are hearing only one side of this story? And as such, are we hearing the whole story and a true representation of what really happened.

 

[bjcsc]

Re: baoting accident question.

I just think it's pretty interesting how, in general, the crew here does not take Steve at his word regarding what happened. There are no reasons not to, except that he was on a PWC. I also find it interesting how people think he turned into the other boat, when he says it was within 15 feet. It is reasonable to assume that if you regularly pass objects within 15' at 55mph on the water it is only a matter of time before you strike one of them. Most states, including SC, require headway speed within 150' of other vessels. Regardless of your posts, I know none of you guys would tolerate vessels ~5 times the size of yours passing within 15' at 55mph. If I was in that same situation, with a vessel bearing down on me, I don't know what I would do, but turning one way or the other and trying to get out of the way would be among my choices. The USCG places the burden on the overtaking vessel to stay clear of the overtaken vessel, regardles of horns, turning, etc.. If this case ever gets heard, all that will matter is the other boats's speed and the distance from Steve.

If Bondo had posted a similar thread, but instead was in his jon/tug boat (which I like very much BTW!), and some 50' sportfisher cruising 55mph had done the exact same thing to him, whether he even saw it, tried to get out of the way, sat still, blew his horn - whatever - would the reponses have been a lot different? Ayuh....,

People's spelling (esp. a typo) on this board is not an indication of their intelligence. The iboats spellchecker scrambles your post and some of the smartest people here can't spell worth a hoot! I think the criticism on the spelling is a low blow, esp. in a post agreeing 100% with RP who spelled "disreguarded", "neccessity" and "neccessities" in just the post you quoted. Oh the irony. Good thing he doesn't drive a PWC...

I suppose my only hopes are that, most importantly, this thread makes an impact on a renegade PWC operator who as a result becomes more aware, safer, and more considerate; that as boat operators we think about the distance and speed we overtake with, and that all of us who enjoy using the water have a solid reminder of what can happen when you let your guard down.

Lastly, I hope to not be shunned by the rest of you for having a differing opinion. I enjoy the discussions, appreciate the help I've been given, never intend harm, and respect you all - we just might have a difference in opinion from time to time

 

[xtraham]

Re: baoting accident question.

bj, with all do respect, I think what this comes down to is we have only heard one side of the story which I have no reason not to believe, I am sure if we heard the other persons vision of the event it would be quite different and totally contradicting, I also think everyone here are basing their comments on personal experience with pwc operators, that being said this incident could have been avoided by following the rules of the road and having common courtesy towards their fellow boater and using a little common sense...

 

[jake069]

Re: baoting accident question.

jake you are preaching to the choir, trust me you do not have to post rules of the road for me, and you are not understanding this, they when read properly are stating either/or.........not trying to be argumentive here, but if there is one thing I know is rules of the road.. we are getting of topic here but this thread is dead as far as i am concerned, have a nice day

I'm just stating that a noise making device is required on smaller vessels.

 

[steve23guy]

Re: baoting accident question.

hmmm, complaining about me spelling boating..... uhm... its a friggin typo.... sheesh...
.... anywayz, i agree with a previous post.. if i was driving a boat and another boat hit me.. would i be getting the same responses... and also jake069, where do u live? i was out all weekend, i went by that spot a few times, my parents live just north of that bridge right after the beach/park

 

[steve23guy]

Re: baoting accident question.

here are some images from google earth.... one beinga wider picture of the area, and another close up of where the accident happend and how it played out, hope it makes more sense to you all this way, notcie that the river narrows greatly ahead.... and there is a small peninsula that comes out.. one question that arised in my head after noticing this was....... why wouold he pass there? and not give room for a boat that could be screaming around the corner there?

please note, that the lil drawing is not to scale lol.. a quicky 5 min photoshop deal

 

[cgBosun3]

Re: baoting accident question.

I've conducted many an accident investigation in my CG career. Not every body of water is subject to the Navigation Rules quoted above. I'm not familiar with the Fox River - if its considered a"navigable body of water" for COMMERCIAL use or has direct access to the ocean, then the NavRules would apply. Often, though, state/local rules and regs apply instead. Like others have noted, the NavRules (now called the Collision regulations or ColRegs) apply primarily to merchant ships and other large craft. But it is possible that where this took place local rules would apply, and therefore the CG would not be involved.

 

[steve23guy]

Re: baoting accident question.

well ive also called the DNR (department of natural resources) for illinois and they mailed me the rules for the fox waterway, and they are the same as the CG....