baoting accident question.

[Firestar]

Re: baoting accident question.

here are some images from google earth.... one beinga wider picture of the area, and another close up of where the accident happend and how it played out, hope it makes more sense to you all this way, notcie that the river narrows greatly ahead.... and there is a small peninsula that comes out.. one question that arised in my head after noticing this was....... why wouold he pass there? and not give room for a boat that could be screaming around the corner there?

please note, that the lil drawing is not to scale lol.. a quicky 5 min photoshop deal

Well a pictures worth a thousand words. You question why he would pass you when a boat may come screaming around the point. I ask you, if you feel it wasn't safe for him to pass you there and continue in a straight line, why would you concider it safe to execute a 180 degree turn in the path, using your words, that a boat may be (screaming) towards you.

Those are you words with your picture and your diagram. You were wrong. He was wrong. Both of you should take boating clases before you pilot any craft again.

Quit trying to justify a mistake. The more you do the less you'll learn. Remember....learn from your mistakes. I get the feeling that you don't see where yuou made your mistake.

The 180's must be a routine manuver for PWC's, and far be it that any PWCer that learned how to execute one would ever be guilty of not knowing when it is safe to do so. The manuver itself shows how skilled they are with their craft and could never, make an error, as simple as not looking over their shoulder.

Besides, everyone is always suppose to be looking at them, waiting for them to grace the rest of the people on the water with their next trick.
Why, what the hell, everyone should take up a collection and give it to the guy who can execute the wildest group of tricks.

After all we should appreciate the exciting entertainment!

 

[tommays]

Re: baoting accident question.

I live in and area with heavy CG and marine police patrols that pass me all the time THEY NEVER SOUND A HORN ? but allways pass me with plenty of room

I cant believe its legal to go that fast on a narrow river :^

Haveing been hit buy two cars while rideing in the bike lane i am well aware of how NOT carefully these things are looked into from both sides buy the police around here

Tommays

 

[Firestar]

Re: baoting accident question.

Probably isn't but what's the difference? Neither one of these two geniuses were doing the right thing anyway.

 

[tmh]

Re: baoting accident question.

and just HOW is the PWC rider going to signal you

Probably with the whistle or Horn it is required to have in IL
http://dnr.state.il.us/admin/systems/Boats/pdf/Boat_Digest_06.pdf 7-e

make sure your lawyer knows a vessel less than 12 meters long is not required to have a horn......

xtraham -- Maybe you could show me where it states length?
http://dnr.state.il.us/admin/systems/Boats/pdf/Boat_Digest_06.pdf 7-e

jake, jake, jake.....now, I THINK you know the rules a bit, but maybe don't UNDERSTAND them. YES, I have a whistle onboard my PWC - it's a requirement. HOWEVER, it is for emergency signaling and not required to be readily available to repl to another boater's horn. You see, a PWC driver CAN'T let go of the throttle and handle bar to open his hatch, get out the whistle and signal back - he'd be dead from being run over by that time! They are NOT required to have the whistle in their mouths at all times, which is the only way they could answer a passing boat rght away.

NO, it is YOU who misunderstood the rule. So stop quoting chapter/verse untiul you know what it all means.

P.S. I saw these diagrams and come to one conclusion - DO NOT ride a PWC anywhere near other vessels on that river. 30-50 mph in such close quarters with boats 50x your size?!?!?!?? No way.

 

[salty87]

Re: baoting accident question.

add this to the map and it's not hard to see why there was an accident.

 

[blouderback]

Re: boating accident question.

Re: boating accident question.

Here's the thing that proves you were inthe wrong:

If you had obeyed the standard rules of the road as a "stand-on" vessel, you would not have crashed.

 

[jake069]

Re: baoting accident question.

it is for emergency signaling and not required to be readily available to repl to another boater's horn.

Never knew that

have the whistle in their mouths at all times, which is the only way they could answer a passing boat rght away.

not true

NO, it is YOU who misunderstood the rule.

Misunderstood the rule or not, I'd rather have a way of signaling than not.

When riding any of the 5 pwc's my family owns, I've been able to signal with a whistle at any given time. we have whistles that attach to life jackets as well as the tethers.


to each his own

 

[Mark42]

Re: baoting accident question.

"--- i cant lift my arm over my head, nor lift more then 10-15 lbs really.. it sucks, if u could see my collat bone, the end where it meets my shoulder, is MOVED and RAISED.. its damage thats going to be there for the rest of my life... What am i supposed to do.. say ohhh well?"

Sue the doctor who treated you, sue the emergency squad that saved you, sue the specialists who treated you at physical rehab.

It's really all thier fault anyway. Because you were:

1) driving without insurance. You know, not doing what a responsable adult would do: take precautions, be responsable, following the law, etc.

2) didn't make sure that the treatment addressed the injuries properly. Lets face it, if the doctor is not doing a good job, you can't help it, right? Just go along and don't ask questions (and sue later) or get the additional treatment (at your expense because you don't have insurance, remember?) to fix it.

3) got crappy rehab, or no rehab and now have to blame someone for your rehab screwup.

Regardless of what you think, you were in a dangerous situation without insurance (which is cheap). Now you are paying the price. So quit your complaining. Buy a new jet ski and pay your medical bills. And count yourself lucky to be alive.

 

[Reel Poor]

Re: baoting accident question.

"--- i cant lift my arm over my head, nor lift more then 10-15 lbs really.. it sucks, if u could see my collat bone, the end where it meets my shoulder, is MOVED and RAISED.. its damage thats going to be there for the rest of my life... What am i supposed to do.. say ohhh well?"

Sue the doctor who treated you, sue the emergency squad that saved you, sue the specialists who treated you at physical rehab.

It's really all thier fault anyway. Because you were:

1) driving without insurance. You know, not doing what a responsable adult would do: take precautions, be responsable, following the law, etc.

2) didn't make sure that the treatment addressed the injuries properly. Lets face it, if the doctor is not doing a good job, you can't help it, right? Just go along and don't ask questions (and sue later) or get the additional treatment (at your expense because you don't have insurance, remember?) to fix it.

3) got crappy rehab, or no rehab and now have to blame someone for your rehab screwup.

Regardless of what you think, you were in a dangerous situation without insurance (which is cheap). Now you are paying the price. So quit your complaining. Buy a new jet ski and pay your medical bills. And count yourself lucky to be alive.

You forgot one thing;
LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.

 

[Bondo]

Re: baoting accident question.

Ayuh,..........

Apicture IS worth 1000 words,.....
That photoshopped picture Clearly explains Exactly What happened.........

You turned in Front of another boat,+ he couldn't avoid you,..........
Consequently,........ You were mowed over............

If you had obeyed the standard rules of the road as a "stand-on" vessel, you would not have crashed.

Exactly,............
I Still see it as Your Fault...............

 

[cobra 3.0]

Re: baoting accident question.

...tough crowd! Someone almost kills you and almost everyone says "tough!". The more I read the more I think the kid got run over by a bunch of partying mid aged boaters in a real big hurry and clearly speeding dangerously close to slower moving vessels.

I'm not saying the kid is blameless, but to overtake slower moving vessels so close and so fast is an absolute NO NO. None of this would have happened if the oncoming speeding boat was 150 feet away from the others on the water and would have slowed down somewhat instead of barelling past everyone at that speed.

Who the heck here would drive their boat that way?

If you do, please post your names here and let me know when and where you are on the water!

 

[Mark42]

Re: baoting accident question.

Cobra,

At 24 years of age, Steve is no "kid". Immature and/or ignorant and/or inexperienced maybe, but definitely no kid. He is 100% accountable for his actions, situations, decisions, etc.

 

[Stratocaster]

Re: baoting accident question.

yeah, i jsut talked to my lawyer and well he said its not going to matter whos fault it was in this case, what it comes down to is that by the books, he was supposed to signal and did not, wethero r not people do it or not.. he was supposed to, its winning on a technicality, but a win none the less, his exact words

Well, what is your lawyer going to say? That you're going to lose? A lawyer will say anything to get your money.

And what if the other guy says he DID blow his horn and you turned in front of him anyway?

 

[cobra 3.0]

Re: baoting accident question.

Oh I agree! "Kid" wasn't used to imply, deny, or say he's not responsible for his actions. However, neither would I say he's "immature" either just because he wants to be compensated for a $90,000.00 debt he had to incurr because a bone headed boater overtook him at way too high a speed and way too close to him. He shares to an extent responsibility for moving into the way of this oncoming irresponsible boater. But jugding from the "facts" as they have been presented here anyway, he didn't stand much of a chance of noticing this oncoming speedster. One look he's not there, next second, you're barreled over.

 

[xtraham]

Re: baoting accident question.

well I was not there, and I am not desputing Steves word on what happened, But looking at the airial pic and direction of vessels described on that picture and taken the actions of 75% of PWC operators my thinking would be.........
PCW comming up aft of vessel on his port to jump his wake, after jumping the wake did a 180 to jump it again head on and "WACK" from a operator of the vessel that was obviously to close, inexperanced or impaired.......
everyone is just lucky that only the sea flea is dead

 

[Firestar]

Re: baoting accident question.

Zooming zig-zag spin-a-round on a dime Sea Fly got swatted. Sorry but that's it.

 

[Mark42]

Re: baoting accident question.

Let the lawyers battle it out.

Steve, if you were not put back together right (ie collerbone issues) get another doctors opinion and get it fixed. No reason to go around with short bones and permanent limitations for the rest of your life.

Regardless of the expense, get second opinions. You may have to make payments, or pay from a settlement, or whatever.

BTW, the old saying "you might get better but you never get well" applies to these sort of injuries. But it doesn't mean you can't try to get as well as you can.