Are you really a liberal?

[mattttt25]

Re: Are you really a liberal?

good discussion. i agree with those who stated that it's all how the question is worded. usually it's a conservative person writing the "liberal" statements, and vice versa.<br /><br />to be honest, i have no idea what i am. growing up, political discussions, party lines, and the liberal vs. conservative topics bored me. i never paid attention, and therefore i really don't know what truly puts you in one group or the other. but i'm sort of glad i didn't pay attention, because at least i know my thoughts and stances are my own and not me trying to follow the group.<br /><br />if anyone cares to put me in a group or comment on how screwed up i am, feel free. here's some things i believe in that probably go one way or another...<br /><br />pro abortion.<br />pro death penalty.<br />pro strong military.<br />i believe law inforcement should have more rights.<br />pro same sex marriages.<br />pro regulation of all commodities (gas, energy, etc)<br /><br />i don't know, can't think of other topics at the moment. oh well.

 

[jtexas]

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matttttttttt, you're conlibsertival!

 

[TELMANMN]

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A liberal is one who will think about a new idea. <br /> A conservative is one who doesn't believe that a new idea exists. Unless he can make money off it.

 

[pjc]

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mattttttt......label equals consocialiberalulist...<br /><br />a portion conservative (military, death penalty).......<br />a portion socialist (commodities controls)...<br />a portion liberal (abortion, homo marrage)......<br />a portion communist (law enforcement (thought or ideoligy)rights)...

 

[TELMANMN]

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And here I thought I would be the first to come to your rescue. I guess you now have to rely on the federal response.Good luck.

 

[JB]

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A liberal wants the government to give everyone fish and ban guns, rods and reels.<br /><br />A conservative wants everyone to know how to fish and hunt.<br /><br />A libertarian wants government and everyone else to leave him the heck alone.

 

[OLDSPUD]

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Ok this started well, but it will interesting to see what comes out. A while back, I started a topic that looked like a troll, but was interested to see what libs really want other than GWB out.<br /><br />I asked if youguys could have your way, what would we be dealing with. and I listed many issues, taxes, oil, and so on. I got a few one line idiots like telmanmm, above just said about a new idea issues which is pure BS.<br /><br />I then got into some strong discussions which was pretty fun and challenging.<br /><br />Abortion should not be a political issue, it should be a personal issue. The gov't has no business in the aboration issue. But I believe that it is one of the main hangups for many women groups. I suppose where the gov't has came in is in funding abortions for those who couldn't afford them, and then R vs W came up and it has all gone to hell since.<br /><br />I am a conservitive all the way, I think that some issues could make you think that you want to be middle of the road but if someone takes that position, its a gutless position, and he will get run over.<br /><br />I need to go but I will check back and finish my thoughts.<br /><br />Bruce

 

[TELMANMN]

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If you are not over 70 on this post, then you are a youngun!

 

[rosco_59]

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I am sorry but I am getting tired of liberals, them and the bleeding hearts are killing this country.

 

[pjc]

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spud, is a troll if construed as such, like the media will present portions of the whole to created a desired opinion that will be the end result of the larger portion of folks viewing same. Context is the key.<br /><br />Me:<br />* abortion for very specific circumstances, not convenience nor BC, nor building the perfect child.<br />*death penalty only when hard evidence, or confession supported by hard evidence is present<br />*gotta have an Army, Defense, but draw the line at an invasive force that is used to propagate global domination. i do believe that global stability is desirable, but nix to the conquests.<br />*the cops need more flexibility, not be so hampered by fear of litigation, hard line quotas due to financial, nor the Neanderthal behaviors of some gung ho cops.<br />*fag marriage, get a life, have your lawyer set ya up so you can enjoy each others accomplishments. It is known that since homos do not naturally have kids, ya should use the monies ya would have spent to raise the same kids to set each other up for incidental as well as real expenditures for the future, or here and now short term. Medical, retirement, and so forth.<br />* ahhh, comidities...free market, but, remove the special interest lobbyists that get in the way by paying off pols to buy legislation that either feathers their nest, or makes and satisfies a craving to feel good 'cause ya done something for the planet (and furthers their political career).<br />*lastly........some sort of common sense curriculum in school (elementary???) to build recognition in our future adults that the MEDIA & POLITICIANS will use any and all means to sway their opinions and beliefs in alignment with their (media and pols) agenda.<br /><br />Than You Very Much For Your Consideration

 

[ErikDC]

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"You are a liberal if you think the government can run your life better than you can.<br /><br />Ken"<br /><br />I agree.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by ErikDC:<br /> "You are a liberal if you think the government can run your life better than you can.<br /><br />Ken"<br /><br />I agree.

Are there any liberals who think the govt can not run their life better? Or is everyone who wants to run his own life conservative?<br /><br />

Originally posted by JB:<br /><br />A liberal wants the government to give everyone fish and ban guns, rods and reels.

Are there any liberals who want to fish and hunt? Or are all hunters & fishermen conservative?

 

[JasonJ]

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My wife and I have had this conversation on occasion, trying to figure out what we really are. She has always maintained being 100% republican, as her family is, but she does not vote straight ticket. Her and I share similar beliefs such as: Death penalty is a good thing, and thank God DNA technology is making it more fair and exhonorating the innocent while proving the guilty. <br /><br />Abortion, we both agree that it has its use in limited situations such as rape, but it should not be used as birth control. We also feel that a woman has the same right to end a life that she has to start one. Abortion is a touchy thing, since when I was presented with the situation, I kept my child even though it was a bad time to have one. <br /><br />We both agree that the government does not need to run our lives, we can do it just fine. So how can she truely be 100% rep? There are a whole host of things we agree on, and when I analyze the traights of a conservative person, I fit those traights more than a liberal. Marriage is for men and women, civil union is for gays (they should both have the same benefits however). I am all for gun rights, and small business. I am not a fan of high taxes. <br /><br />I am bothered when I get lumped into the liberal group if I do not agree with a conservative group. If I were to go by that guys web page, there are only two items I sort of agree with, the rest I do not agree with. In reality, other than my lack of religion and abortion beliefs, how liberal am I really?<br /><br />DJ, I don't know if your assessment of middle-of-roaders is fair. A person can be firm in their beliefs and end up not being 100% either party. What does that make them? They are not "undecided", because they have decided to believe in what they believe in, and not have their beliefs dictated to them by a party. They are more brave, and more decided because they DO believe in what they want to, not the cookie cutter set each side would have them believe in. I guess I could be a "middle-of-roader" since I am not %100 either side, but I assure you, I have no doubts about what I believe in. <br /><br />I fully agree with what Ken said as well. The last thing I want is the government running my life.<br /><br />My wife coined the term "liberal-conservative" for herself, and "conservative-liberal" for me. I still don't even feel those are accurate terms. If forced, I would say we are "conservative with a hint of liberal". Who knows....

 

[JasonJ]

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Careful jtexas, you might expose the tragic flaw of trying to fit an American into one of only two groups...

 

[ErikDC]

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Great points, jtexas, I'll be waiting for responses. There's a ton of people here, I'm sure that there are many that agree with you and I'll probably agree to a certain degree.

 

[ErikDC]

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To add, I've said it here many times before but I'll repeat it again. And again and again. What really disgusts me about liberals is the casual attitude about abortion. I will give leeway on just about every other philosophy but that. Even in a rape situation. I won't prevent a rapist a-hole from being put to death but to murder an unborn child is beyond reprehensible. The child has every right to live. It's not the child's fault that the conception happened during a violent act. Why should the child be aborted? Why should a baby be killed? That's exactly what it is. If you believe otherwise, I will question your own humanity, you might not have a heart.<br /><br />The most precious thing on this planet is a new life. If you believe that it is okay to kill the baby, you're not a true, loving human being in my eyes.

 

[JasonJ]

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Yeah Erik, what you say does have merit, which is why it is sort of a tricky subject. My now-ex-wife decided she wanted a baby, even though the timing was really bad. She went ahead and stopped taking the pill, and you can imagine the rest. I can tell you that, after say "Holy shyte" and "you have got to be kidding", I never even considered abortion. I simply started planning how I was going to raise my child.<br /><br />I can also say that now that I am in the law enforcement biz, I see things people are doing to these poor kids, and an abortion would have been a gift compared to the hell these kids are living. There isn't an easy answer on this subject, thats for sure....

 

[ErikDC]

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JasonJ, God bless you and your family and thanks a ton for your service for the rest of us! If I may PM you, I'll tell you exactly why I went from pro choice to anti abortion, just don't want to broadcast it, ya know?

 

[Limited-Time]

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Originally posted by ErikDC:<br /> Even in a rape situation. I won't prevent a rapist a-hole from being put to death but to murder an unborn child is beyond reprehensible. The child has every right to live. It's not the child's fault that the conception happened during a violent act. Why should the child be aborted? Why should a baby be killed? That's exactly what it is. If you believe otherwise, I will question your own humanity, you might not have a heart.<br /><br />The most precious thing on this planet is a new life. If you believe that it is okay to kill the baby, you're not a true, loving human being in my eyes.

I see your point and respect your opinions but....<br /><br />"I won't prevent a rapist a-hole from being put to death" What other types of sanctioned murder do you condone? <br /><br />"The child has every right to live" What rights does the rape victim have? And who is responsible, financially and emotionally, for raising and caring for the child <br /><br />How could a "true, loving human being" condone any life being ended?<br /><br />Just some food for thought.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by ErikDC:<br /> To add, I've said it here many times before but I'll repeat it again. And again and again. What really disgusts me about liberals...If you believe otherwise, I will question your own humanity

I'll bet some of the "conservatives" you know differ with you on this issue, at least as it applies to rape cases. And I mean "conservatives" who don't really disgust you. You might be using the strongest words you can find, trying to articulate how you really feel about it. In doing so you risk offending people you wouldn't want to offend (I mean out of all the people you come in contact with). <br /><br />I just think, you have to allow for the fact that there are a lot of people who are not "liberals" yet who are willing to leave the decision up to the woman & her doctor in certain circumstances where you disagree. I'm not debating the issue (that's for a different thread), just thinking about the different ways people have of expressing themselves.<br /><br />You might also encounter people who identify with "liberal" but agree with you on this issue; a good reason not to rush to judgement. <br /><br />Myself, I think abortion is a horrible, tragic thing, I wish it never happened. Abortion on demand is just wrong to me. I accept certain exceptions, similar to pjc, jasonj. Something I learned today, listening to the Roberts confirmation hearings: one reason (of many) for upholding Roe v. Wade is because people make decisions about their sexual activity with the knowlege that abortion is available should other forms of BC fail. I'm still scratching my head over the ramifications of that one.