are ya's for bush's ssi plan

Bondo

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I understand Joe......<br />I've been paying School Taxes for almost as long as You,......<br />Yet,.. I see No Return on My Money.......<br /><br />That's Another Reason I Like Gw's Ideas....<br />No Child Left Behind.....<br />If you want the Federal Money,..... Show us What it's Doing.....<br />What's the Problem with That ?????<br /><br />The Problem is, The Education Establishment is populated with Liberals.........<br />They want Us to continue to Throw Money at a Problem,+ They'll Keep Spending It........<br />And,..... If there's No Problem,...... They'll Make 1.......<br />"What da ya Mean,..... Show a Return on an Investment..??..??"<br />That's More of a Problem to Me..........<br /><br />I guess I'm getting Way Off Topic....<br />The Education System is another 1 of My peeves,... <br />I'll quit for now....
 

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On March 23, 2005, in it's annual report, trustees for Social Security announced that the system will go into the red in 2017. That's in 12 years. Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan warned that the day of reckoning is even sooner, telling the Senate Banking Committee in February: "The demographics are inexorable, and call for action before the leading edge of baby boomer retirement becomes evident in 2008." The Social Security trustees forecast that the so called "trust fund" will be completely depleted in 2024. Over the next 75 years, reports The Washinton Post, "the projected shortfall is $3.7 trillion." Democrats know all this, and they used to say so out loud:<br /><br />"What should we do with this surplus? I have a simple four-word answer: Save Social Security first." President Clinton, State of the Union Jan. 27, 1998<br /><br />"This fiscal crisis in Social Security affects ever generation." President Clinton, Georgetown University, Feb. 9, 1998<br /><br />"Senators Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D NY) and Robert Kerry (D, NE) have introduced "The Social Security Solvency Act of 1998," which would cut the Social Security payroll tax by 2% and allow workers to invest the tax cut in personal savings accounts." PBS NewsHour, Aug. 5, 1998<br /><br />"Social Security faces a serious fiscal crisis....Save Social Security first!" VP Al Gore, with **** Gephart, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer and other Democrats at Social Security Rally on the Capitol steps, Sept. 25, 1998<br /><br />"I propose that we use a little over 11 percent of the surplus to establish universal savings accounts - USA accounts - to give all Americans the means to save. With these new accounts, Americans can invest as they choose, and recieve funds to match a portion of their savings, with extra help for those least able to save." President Bill Clinton, State Of The Union, Jan. 21, 1999<br /><br /> Well, that was then. This is now. <br />Remeber, these people all know what Greenspan and the trustees for Social Security said. Read on:<br /><br /><br />"We have no crisis." Sen. Harry Reid (D, NV) on ABC's This Week With George Stephanopoulis, Jan 16, 2005.<br /><br />"It seems this Administration tries to make a crisis on any political problem. We've got a crisis in Social Security, in the funding and financing which we don't." Sen Ted Kennedy (D, MA) on CBS's Face The Nation, Jan 16, 2005.<br /><br />" Now we have a crisis in terms of the funding of Social Security that is non-existant....All you have to do is raise the payroll tax on that and that would solve the problem that you'd have, other kinds of ways of dealing with it." Sen Ted Kennedy, (D, MA) Face The Nation, Jan 16, 2005.<br /><br />"Just as the President cried wolf to scare the nation into war with Iraq, he's trumping up a phony Social Security crisis in order to sell his private accounts." Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D, CA), quoted in The San Fransico Chroncile, Feb 3, 2005.<br /><br />"Social Security is not in crisis. It's not bankrupt, and is not collapsing." Sen John Kerry, (D, MA) at a "Fix It Don't Nix It" rally at New York's Pace University with Hillary Clinton, March 4, 2005.<br /><br />"The so-called Social Security crisis exists in one place: the minds of Republicans. In reality, the program is on solid ground for decades to come." Sen Harry Reid (D, NV) Knight Rider, March 23, 2005.<br /><br />Ok, so Social Security was in crisis up until Bush was elected, but it's fine. Dang, President Bush fixed it already? Comments of particular interest are Ted Kennedy and Lynn Wolf saying this Administration tries to make everything a crisis. Anyone remember the "school lunch crisis?" How about the "teen violence crisis" that gave "midnight basket ball." The "too few police crisis" where Clinton promised 100,000 new cops that never materialized. During the Clinton Administration, everything was a crisis. Remember the "Ozone crisis," "global warming crisis" or any of the others? No, I'm certain that you democrats don't. Aslo of interest is Kennedy's comment "All you have to do is raise the payroll tax on that" Now there's a novel approach to fiscal responsibility, need more money, just go take some more from people who can't do a damn thing about it! How in the hell does this Socialist keep getting elected? If I were from Massachusetts, I would be ashamed to admit it. Heck, after reading the above, If I were a democrat, I'd be ashamed to admit that too!<br /><br />The best cure for Social Security is to abolish it. It should have been written with a sunset clause in the first place. The government doesn't owe me a retirement, nor do they owe me health care. Anyone who feels that they are entitled to such things by the government, please feel free to immigrate to Cuba, China or North Korea. All the government owes me is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 

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And Bondo's spew of c**p is almost Republican party rhetoric, verbatim. Bondo are you a party spin doctor?<br /><br />As for <br />
That Right There, IS the Liberal's Plan.........<br />No Plans.......<br />No Proposals....<br />Nothing............<br /><br />
<br />When one side is faced with the force the Red party is trying to put behind their robbery of Social Security, a lot of effort has to be put into defending that side's positon and preventing the advance of the opposing force. If there was much intelligence in the plan, then there would not be near as much opposition. PERIOD.<br /><br />Some of the stupidity of the Red party's plan is to rob Social Security in order to fund the welfare program for Wall Street(read the fees, commissions, etc on all of the accounts). To replace the lost revenue for existing benefits those benefits will either need to be reduced or the deficit will need to be increased to cover those benefits. Reduced benefits or staggering deficits, No Thank You, I'll pass on the stupidity.<br /><br />As for the education system, regardless of whether or not you have children, You do benefit from the education of America's youth. You benefit because these children grow and contribute to society. They contribute to Social Security. The lower their education level, the lower their income. The lower their income, the lower amount of taxes they pay. See the correlation? Or has the rhetoric of the elitist party shadowed your intelligence?<br />And the No Child Left Behind program mandates unfunded programs and performance. In fact local school districts are winning lawsuits against baby bush's administration. WE as a society need to fix the education system too, not create "charter" schools or vouchers for private school tuition. When that happens the top students will be siphoned off into these alternative schools and only the problem students and less advantaged will be left in the public schools. This IS the Republican plan. A self-defeating plan. Just like their Social Security plan. FIX WHAT WE HAVE! Don't just abandon it for a "better", self-interested plan.<br />I'm sure I will be slammed by the think-inside-the-box, lead-me-around-by-the-nose party followers who can't dare to question the motives of the Red party, or to think for themselves.<br />And just like any other debate, if your position has merit or gounds, you can argue the points, not just assail those who oppose you. Insults and demeaning, degrading statements are signs of a person with no value or substance, and of views with no foundation. <br /><br />This of course is just my two cents, and with the look of the change in my pocket, [/]COMMON SENSE[/i] :D :) :p <br />Thank you all, and especially those of you who oppose my opinion but still have the respect to accept my right to have a differing viewpoint and not attack me or try to insult me because of it. :)
 

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David, you didn't read the post before yours did you? :D
 

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Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br /> Insults and demeaning, degrading statements are signs of a person with no value or substance, and of views with no foundation. <br /><br />
Hmmmmm, like the Whoopi Goldberg performance at the John Kerry rally? Like the hatred and bile spewed by Al Frankin, Mike Moore, Algore, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton et al? The Deomcratic Party today is a bastion of hate. That's why they are imploding.
 

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wow<br /> I am glad I dont belong to either of the bigoted self serving parties. if ya wanna see a true govt bailout just look at bubba's brudder and the silverado scandal. only cost the taxpayers a few mil. neil made out like a bandit and all are happy. if it were me or my bro inlaw we would still be in tha big house. social security has been robbed and flogged by both parties and most likly wont ever get any better.<br /> till votors quit voting for liars and truth manipulators what we have is what we will always have dont matter what banner they are under or which flag they wave. IF A MAN FLAT OUT LIES he is a liar. dont care be it slick willie the purjuror or bubba W the WMD man. a liar is a liar. if your lied to by an assistant and the assistant is found to be a liar dont promote them fire them and find an advisor that has a grip. buit I dont see any other candidates on the horizon so I guess if Mickey Mouse cant be elected in 08 we are in for more of the same.<br /> just seems a shame when some of my customers that are in their 70's pull nets and pots everyday yet I have to quietly slip some coins to the docky tari to make sure they have enough meds to make the month. otherwise they would take what they had and go without till the next check. the whole political dynasty thing with the Bush's and the Kennedy's is sickening. there may be others I just cant think of them right now. <br /> but the social security thing will plod on and on mark my words.<br /> wont change until something bad happens .<br /> maybe we can pay for the SS program with Iraqi oil. now there is a plan. if Iraq does not have enough we can use Irans as well. I am sure they wont mind.
 

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Originally posted by Bondo:<br /> OK David L. Moore,...........<br /><br />So You Agree there IS a Problem...........<br /><br />What would be a Better Plan to Fix It ????
What would be a Better Plan to Fix It ????
That was the Question................<br /><br />I Still See No Answer.......................<br />
Bondo are you a party spin doctor?<br />
Nope,..............<br /><br />Just an Old Greasey Broke Mechanic,...........<br />With More Common Sense than Every Liberal Who Ever Drew a Breath,.. Combined.......<br /><br />
Some of the stupidity of the Red party's plan is to rob Social Security in order to fund the welfare program for Wall Street(read the fees, commissions, etc on all of the accounts).
That's called "Creating an Economic Engine "....................<br /><br />This will Build the Economy,.. That creates More Taxes.....<br />The Deficits the Liberals are screaming about Won't Happen...............<br /><br />Can you Possibly Believe that Bill Clinton balanced the budget all by himself,...... <br />If not for the DotCom Boom(created by Al Gore, when He decovered the Internet),...... <br />There Never would have been a Balanced Budget.....Ever......<br /><br />Just the fact there'll be "Private Savings" is a Major Economic Engine,.. All in itself......<br /><br />How do you think Japan became the Powerhouse that it is ??? It's Not the resourses on their little Island.... It's Business,... The Economy,.... MONEY.........
 

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I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE any politicians, their goal is to get elected. If by accident they help someone along the way, they're the first to raise the flag. I don't believe the Gov't owes me a living or health care, if they didn't promise it to me, & charge me for it! I call that breach of contract. As for education I'm all for it, Every body wants their kid to be a doctor, but somebodies got to clean the fish . Better education only goes so far in raising income levels How many lawyers, doctors, engineers, & accountants do we need. Wouldn't that be like everyone hitting the lottery. Gee all those PHD's what would we pay the lowly person with a masters who asks if you want fries with that? The Gov't forces a deal on me, takes my money, then tells me we don't like that so much anymore, here is your new deal, not buy in if you want, if they let people choose & pick my own investments (not from their group, & maybe with some aproval) & advisors maybe I would. If it were so good people would flock to it in droves. My Grandmother used to say "Nobody gives away a gold mine while there is still gold in it" Why don't they do it and pay me what they promissed, they can keep the rest of the profit. Thanks for hearing the ramblings of an old beat up Marine. Joe
 

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yeah, i to feel that the government doesn't owe me a living,,<br /><br />but for 93 bucks a week ( plus tax ),, i'd better get back sumthin'..
 

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br />are ya's for bush's ssi plan
Yes. It sure the heck is better than where the current version is going. And the Democrats have not provided a viable option.<br /><br />Sean
 

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I'm dead against it. I agree with much of what I read here especially from "Rolmops", "PW2", "JB", "Fixin", "David L. Moore". If we have individual accounts that can be passed on to our family after we go, the system will be depleted sooner. (Any in my class will not have to worry about excess money. There ain't none.) Insurance in part counts on leftovers from some accounts to help with excess costs of other accounts. I beleive that the Bush plan will help Wall Street and the "Big Boys".
 

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But at least they are doing SOMETHING about the problem. Do you like Ted Kennedy's solution better? Is raising payroll tax on FICA a better way? It seems to me that you guys that are opposed to the Bush plan are simply opposed to anything associated with Bush.
 
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SSI was NEVER intended to be a retirement plan.<br /><br />Don't believe me, read a history book. Especially those that concentrate on FDR and the 1930's.<br /><br />It's (SS) BROKEN, or, at least, worn out.<br /><br />We're talking about investing the whopping amount of, as much as, 4% :eek: , of those that WANT TO participate. It WILL NOT affect anyone over 45. THE BENEFITS WILL BE INTACT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DEM'S TELL YOU.<br /><br />Nothing mandatory, just an option. <br /><br />Your choice-something now and nothing later. Or, something now and more later.<br /><br />Again, your choice.<br /><br />The politics and lies fronted by the opposition of this, is my mind, next to criminal.<br /><br />But, we don't prosecute criminals, anymore, in this country. Unless, they fit a "hated" profile.
 

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Once again " S.S. is not SSI" Two different things! S.S. not being intended to be a retirement plan, May or may not be true, but what it is, or if you will, became by law, & all adaptions were, & are approved by congress! I, as all of us who pay into S.S.(Not SSI) receive a statement each year. In it they refer to Retirement benefits, they even have publications, which they encourage people to get & read, One is even called "Social Security RETIREMENT Benefits" (Publication #05-10035). What does that say to you? Then there's the Publication# 05-10070 "How Your RETIREMENT Benefit is figured" And lets not forget Publication 05-10064 Government PENSION Offset, There must be a pension to have this offset! And what does intent have to do with actuallity, How many times have we all heard "I didn't mean to do it" I agree it shouldn't be someones sole means of support, but for many it is. How about looking at the thousands of so called Political Immigrants comming in from communist , or former communist countries, that walk in the door & get SSI(Yes SSI) welfare,& food Stamps. The Russians emptied their Jails, & these people are nasty, indignent, & pushy, claming these benefits are an entitlement. They were even pushing for veterans benefits because they were our allies in WW II, While the Gov't erodes my benefits, Home grown boy who raised his right hand at 17!!!!!!!! I again say Let them, the politicians, invest the money, if it is going to be so good, & all they have to pay me is what they pronissed. Iwon't mind them keeping the rest of the profit, I won't even ask about it. P.S. the age is 55 not 45 IMHO Joe
 

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Originally posted by SoulWinner:<br /> It seems to me that you guys that are opposed to the Bush plan are simply opposed to anything associated with Bush.
My, oh my, is that the pot calling the kettle black!!! Not on this issue, but the repubs in general. If it doesn't come from their camp, it's no good. That is their overwhelming track record.<br /><br />And Rodbolt, I agree with your first line. Glad I am an INDEPENDENT thinking voter. It just seem like the Red party's positions are just too far out to embrace. And that is not to say the Dem's are any better. <br /><br />Unfortunately when it come's time to vote, the American people are forced to choose the lesser of two EVILS.
 

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I'm for Social Security reform 100%.<br />My plan is the simplest of all and is pure conservatism.<br />I prefer to OPT OUT! Give me back all of my money that was taken from my paycheck. I'll invest the total for my own retirement and gratefully waive any and all future claims.<br />The portion that was taken from my past employers in matching funds, isn't mine. Big Brother can squander, use and abuse that portion as they see fit.
 

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My plan is the simplest of all and is pure conservatism.<br />I prefer to OPT OUT! Give me back all of my money that was taken from my paycheck. I'll invest the total for my own retirement and gratefully waive any and all future claims.<br />The portion that was taken from my past employers in matching funds, isn't mine. Big Brother can squander, use and abuse that portion as they see fit.<br />
I agree...<br /><br />Now, excuse me whilst I go bathe.. I'm dripping with conservatism here, and I don't much care for it... :p
 

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What a load of cr@p! All of the above political vitriol doesn't amount to a pile of sh!t. None of you has any more of a clue how to deal with this issue than do I or any of the major combatants. The truth of the matter is the only winners are, as usual, the lawyers and politicians who make millions squabbling over our (the general public) money and the right to control it.<br /><br />I would rather they do as Skinnywater has suggested and give me the chance to opt out entirely. I believe I can do no worse and probably a great deal better than the govmint has.
 
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