Anybody else deal with asian carp?

jigngrub

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Re: Anybody else deal with asian carp?

carp are crap feeders or filter feeders. I would rather suck on a used oil filter

Do you realize what Lobster, Crabs, Catfish, and Chickens eat?

As far as a fishes flesh being only as clean as the water it came from, that's true with all species. They may not directly eat the plankton in the water, but the things they eat do and it is transfered/absorbed directly into their systems too.
 

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I do realize what seabugs eat. Lobster Crabs and Catfish are tasty. the dozen or so times I have tried carp.......not so much.
 

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I do realize what seabugs eat. Lobster Crabs and Catfish are tasty. the dozen or so times I have tried carp.......not so much.

Can't imagine trying carp a dozen times to find out i really don't like it. In fact i can't even fathom trying it once.
 

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They don't fly in at 50. Higher speeds usually don't make them jump. Something about lower speeds and pressures. And two stroke engines!

Well...I caught one in the forehead earlier this year on the jetski. I made a little whirlpool and rode back through it right away. One was jumping and I was probably doing about 40.

They won't fly in the boat at speed, but if you are pulling a skier or tuber, etc, I imagine that person may get hit. After much testing throughout the rest of the summer, I find they typically jump about 20-30 feet behind the craft when you navigate through what appears to be a school of them...at any speed they start jumping like hell behind the boat.

I now wear a pair of paintball goggles when I'm on the river. I refuse to be behind anybody anymore and have had no problems. If I were to pull somebody behind me, I wouldn't do it on the IL river...just me...that fish to the face sure hurt!
 

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I do realize what seabugs eat. Lobster Crabs and Catfish are tasty. the dozen or so times I have tried carp.......not so much.

You were probably eating European/German carp, referred to as Common Carp in the U.S. They are generally bottom feeders and are totally unrelated to the asian carps which are filter feeders. Paddlefish are also filter feeders and are considered a delicacy across the U.S. The asian carp flesh is very similar to paddlefish, but there are more bones present in the meat.

Carnivorous fish (or, rather, piscivorous) are much less safe to eat. They tend to have accumulated toxins (mercury and other heavy metals) from eating other fish that have eaten other fish, and the toxins bio-accumulate. Much more dangerous to eat than filter feeders.

As an aside, although channel catfish are generally considered bottom feeders, they actually do a LOT of feeding at the surface of the water, especially at night. I've seen large schools of them feeding just below the surface late at night (like midnight). Larger catfish, esp. blues and flatheads, fall into the piscivorous category and have the accumulated heavy metals in their flesh. The "good-eatin-size" channel cats (around 14"-18") have relatively clean flesh, and in my experience have a flavor reminiscent of the waters from which they came. IOW, catfish from warm muddy waters tend to have a muddy flavor, and catfish from cool clear streams taste like trout. Many commercial growers will get their fish into cleaner water for a few days before harvest to improve the flavor.
 

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Man I wish that was true... but tell that to the Canadian Maritime commercial Cod fishermen and the Red Snapper and Grouper commercial fishermen of the gulf coast... then there's the swordfish and blue fin tuna fishermen too.

The best way to control or deplete a fish species is to put a commercial value on it.

...:D


Yup, that's why I used the word 'generally'. The fish you mentioned have a pretty high value placed on them, and they are in an environment where humans have developed ways to overly exploit them.

Also, we have the r/k selection theory at work, where most animals fall into either "r-selected" where they live short lives and have high reproduction (think rabbits), or "k-selected" where they are long-lived and don't reproduce much (think whales). Excessive exploitation (harvest, whether by man or other animals) of the r-selected species will result in even more reproduction to replace the population that is constantly turning over, likely resulting in even greater populations than nature would otherwise be able to support (take away the exploitation and the population will crash). Exploitation of the k-selected species will result in reduced populations because their reproductive habits cannot keep pace. In this case, I would classify the asian carp as r-selected, and the other species you mentioned as mildly r-selected, approaching k-selected. The severe overexploitation is killing them - it would be extremely difficult to do the same with the asian carp.
 

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Well...I caught one in the forehead earlier this year on the jetski. I made a little whirlpool and rode back through it right away. One was jumping and I was probably doing about 40.

They won't fly in the boat at speed, but if you are pulling a skier or tuber, etc, I imagine that person may get hit. After much testing throughout the rest of the summer, I find they typically jump about 20-30 feet behind the craft when you navigate through what appears to be a school of them...at any speed they start jumping like hell behind the boat.

You obviously did something special on your jetski to make them jump.

I skiied and kneeboarded on July 4th and nary saw one jump. Cruised up and down the river at 30mph for 2 months this summer and never had one jump. In the 600 hours I cruised up and down the river form 2001 to 2008 I never had one jump in front or behind my boat at speed. At idle speed in the marina, sure. But not out in the channel or even heading over to Burger Barge.

Plain and simple, in a fiberglass, I/O powered boat, they are not a danger at cruising speeds or high speeds.
 

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Starting next year it will be legal to hunt them (shotgun) from a boat in Missouri. :D

Lots of guys around my area are looking forward to getting some shooting practice in.


can anyone provide a link to any type of official statement to the above .... I've been trying and can't come up with anything

Jim
 

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You obviously did something special on your jetski to make them jump.

I skiied and kneeboarded on July 4th and nary saw one jump. Cruised up and down the river at 30mph for 2 months this summer and never had one jump. In the 600 hours I cruised up and down the river form 2001 to 2008 I never had one jump in front or behind my boat at speed. At idle speed in the marina, sure. But not out in the channel or even heading over to Burger Barge.

Plain and simple, in a fiberglass, I/O powered boat, they are not a danger at cruising speeds or high speeds.

I'm convinced you have to go through where they are ... Pure chance ... That being said I'm not risking being towed behind a craft because when they do jump It's about 30 ft back ... Regardless of the type of boat.
 

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I'm convinced you have to go through where they are ... Pure chance ... That being said I'm not risking being towed behind a craft because when they do jump It's about 30 ft back ... Regardless of the type of boat.

Well, then you are missing out on fun, cause they don't jump in front of skiiers behind fiberglass boats. It's a risk that I am glad to take, in order to full enjoy the boating that is offered here.

If you lived in Florida would you get in the lakes cause there are gators? Or in the ocean cause there are sharks? I did both. ;)
 

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Well, then you are missing out on fun, cause they don't jump in front of skiiers behind fiberglass boats. It's a risk that I am glad to take, in order to full enjoy the boating that is offered here.

If you lived in Florida would you get in the lakes cause there are gators? Or in the ocean cause there are sharks? I did both. ;)

They do jump in front of skiers. Showed it on TV last night and supposed to be aired on animal planet. The skiers were wearing football helmets with face protection,chest protection and carrying nets to catch them. This was in the Ill. river below Peoria
 

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They do jump in front of skiers. Showed it on TV last night and supposed to be aired on animal planet. The skiers were wearing football helmets with face protection,chest protection and carrying nets to catch them. This was in the Ill. river below Peoria

This is the truth of it...to understand the risk and proceed with the knowledge and proper precautions is one thing. To know it exists but to think you are somehow special enough to where the forces of the universe apply differently to you is another.

I go on the il and play all the tim. I know the risk is there, but I have also figured out what makes the fish active . That is what its about ... I hope for your sake the person who finally catches a fish to the face is not a child as I'm sure the guilt would weigh heavily
 

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I had a friend break his nose on a PWC from one on the IL river this season.
 

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They do jump in front of skiers. Showed it on TV last night and supposed to be aired on animal planet. The skiers were wearing football helmets with face protection,chest protection and carrying nets to catch them. This was in the Ill. river below Peoria

Know what you're seeing before you type it, okay? That was in an OUTBOARD powered ALUMINUM boat, in a SHALLOW area, and they INTENDED for them to jump. It's a business that shot that video, to advertise how you can go out with them and bow hunt them.

THAT WAS A COMMERCIAL VIDEO. Not a normal event on the river.

(I also think they are putting an electric charge into the water, but noone mentions it or talks about it)

But hey, you know what? Go ahead and sell your boats, I'll buy it for 1/10 of what it's worth and I'll go play on the river all day with my firends who know the score.
 

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Know what you're seeing before you type it, okay? That was in an OUTBOARD powered ALUMINUM boat, in a SHALLOW area, and they INTENDED for them to jump. It's a business that shot that video, to advertise how you can go out with them and bow hunt them.

THAT WAS A COMMERCIAL VIDEO. Not a normal event on the river.

(I also think they are putting an electric charge into the water, but noone mentions it or talks about it)

But hey, you know what? Go ahead and sell your boats, I'll buy it for 1/10 of what it's worth and I'll go play on the river all day with my firends who know the score.

You tell me this (Know what you're seeing before you type it, okay?) and then you say this(I also think they are putting an electric charge into the water, but noone mentions it or talks about it) :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

If you would have done your research you would find that the motors weather there inboards or o/b's doesn't make any difference.Tin boats or fiberglass doesn't make any difference. The fish are drawn by the noise and turbulence they generate.You really should do some research on them. Do some reading and you will find every article will say they get excited (disturbed) because of the sound of the motors.
 

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quote below taken from this link

"Since the carps? population boom in the last few years, legislators have apparently twiddled their thumbs in coming up with the most B.A. method of disposing the Silver Scourge. Bowfishing has gained popularity, but why bother constantly reeling arrows back in when you can just fire a shot and be done with it? Enter a new push in the Illinois General Assembly.

House Bill 5317, introduced by Rep. Dave Winters (R-Shirland), would allow a statewide pilot program that would ?permit licensed individuals to shoot Asian carp with a shotgun off of a motorboat in the Illinois River beginning with the 2013 licensing year,? provided that said individuals have the proper licenses and are using a specific ammunition."


I can't find if the bill went any further but it is interesting to me that using a shotgun on Asian carp is actually being considered

Jim
 

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Open the carp up to skeet shooting. It will control the population and produce revenue for better fishing.
 
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