Anybody else deal with asian carp?

[jigngrub]

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I remember when people said that the zebra mussels were going hit the great lakes and the lackadaisical attitude "because there was none found" and look, now we have an issue.
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Yeah, I remember when the Zebra mussels and Round Gobies were discovered in the great lakes. They were going to wreak havoc with the eco system and eat up all of the zooplankton that the native fish needed to survive on causing the native species to starve into extinction and there would be nothing left but Zebras and Gobies.

Then after they gave it a few years they found out that Gobies eat Zebra mussels and the native fish species were eating the Gobies. They had both become part of the food chain and found their own niche in the eco system and the native fish are still going strong... who'da thunk it?

 

[scott8058]

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i remember the zebra mussels back when i was a kid fishing with my parents on the illinois in peoria, they would get sucked into outdrives and clog everything up. As for the asian carp i wouldn't eat one of those things to save my life, about 10 seconds after the one jumped in the boat it smelled like a dumpster in there. I fish out there for channel cat and occasionally catch drum and regular carp but they don't smell nothing like that. And i agree i don't think they are in lake michigan bc they would be seen flying all over!

 

[catfishcarl99]

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wow .... I've never tasted one but that goes against everything I've been told .... do you have any special cleaning/cooking tips

Jim

and im almost certain everything youve been told was from others that HAVENT tried it. i fried it. and it was snow white and everyone of the 13 -15 people here that ate it loved it. comparable to crappie. fishy taste was almost nil. like a codfish.

this is a couple vids i got on the tube.

 

[catfishcarl99]

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all i can say about rumors. dont believe squat. i actually hears they were good. so i simply tried it. and am glad i did. i preffer it over all freshwater fish i had previously eaten. i had the silver carp species from illinois river around havana il.

they are filter feeders that eat plankton from the surface. hence the jumping. they are at the top feeding. thay DONT bottom feed and are almost on the 0 when it comes to mercury and pcb's since them chemicals are in the sediment.

folks eat smelt "minnows" and pickled pigs feet. and your suprized this is good???? ill be the first to tell you this is a million fold better than that garbage.

 

[catfishcarl99]

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[catfishcarl99]

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this is one of the many on the youtube of other reactions. WATCH this one.

honestly im not worried about the rumors. i know what they are and the less that eat them the more for me lol. im ashamed at the mentality of the folks in the us though that want to commercial fish them and send them over seas. WHY?????? they should be on US supermarket shelves not in china. makes no sense to me.

 

[catfishcarl99]

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go to you tube and search the asian carp. but instead of watching the idiots wearing garbage cans covered in giant trable hooks and swinging swords watch the ones that are cleaning and cooking. youll be suprized. folks are trying it and most are loving it.

anyone remember what slimhead was. NOBODY would eat that crap. then they changed the name to orange roughy. now its a delicasy.:facepalm: good ol us mentality.

 

[catfishcarl99]

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this is a real good one and real informative.

the only thing stopping it from hitting shelves now is most know americans are in the present stuck on the YUCK! and wouldnt buy it. that will change as soon as the word from the folks that try it spread. ive done a lot of research on it and post about it quite frequently on another forum.

in simple terms. if you like the taste of a nice white bluegill fillet. and a 20 lb asian jumps in your boat and you stab it and toss it. you just tossed 12 lbs of white bluegill like meat out to rot. if someone brought me 100 lbs tomorrow. ide fillet every lb.

and the good thing is its invasive and abundant. so learning to clean it boneless and expirementing doens hurt a thing.

 

[rockyrude]

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I wonder if anybody realizes they got this way because the asian community was looking for an easier way to raise them. They are considered a delicacy to them, just sayin'

 

[mommicked]

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I wonder if anybody realizes they got this way because the asian community was looking for an easier way to raise them. They are considered a delicacy to them, just sayin'

conspiracy???

 

[mrdancer]

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I wonder if anybody realizes they got this way because the asian community was looking for an easier way to raise them. They are considered a delicacy to them, just sayin'

The asian carp were not brought here by the asian community. They were imported by the USFWS (against their will, but under severe pressure from southern politicians) to control algae in fish farm ponds in Arkansas. Floods allowed the asian carp to escape (most notably the 1993 flooding) and get into the Mississippi River drainage, where they have been expanding their territory since then.

You may be confusing the asian carp with snakeheads, which were thought to have been imported by the asian specialty markets.

The asian carps (unrelated to the more common European or German "common carp" that is prevalent everywhere in the U.S.) found in the U.S. include bighead carp, silver carp, black carp and grass carp. They are all known to be very good eating, unlike the more prevalent common carp. Since they are referred to as carp, that is likely why most Americans have an aversion to eating them.

As noted earlier in this thread, these fish need pretty good current to spawn successfully. The eggs are semi-buoyant and will sink if there is not sufficient current to keep them bouncing along. Once they sink, they suffocate in the sediment on the bottom (BTW, sturgeon (especially pallid) spawn using the same methodology, but likely need even more current, and is one of the reasons the pallid sturgeon is on the federal endangered list [too many dams, not enough free-flowing river]). How much current is needed for the asian carps is currently being debated, but grass carp have spawned in the Trinity River in TX, which was previously thought to not have enough flow to support spawning.

Although it is likely the asian carp are in the Great Lakes, it is important to keep the barriers in place. It is possible that the carp will not be able to successfully reproduce in the Great Lakes, but if they keep immigrating from other sources, it is practically the same as having a reproducing population.

The asian carp are pretty bad in places right now. Hopefully they will follow the same pattern as most invasive species - after a prolonged boom, the populations will naturally crash or settle down into a more stable equilibrium and not cause the most feared damage that doomsdayers predict. They will always present issues and problems, but we will learn to live with them. Eradication is not an option. Increased harvest generally results in increased reproduction and more dynamic populations.

 

[TilliamWe]

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.....id hate to have one fly in at 50!

They don't fly in at 50. Higher speeds usually don't make them jump. Something about lower speeds and pressures. And two stroke engines!

 

[TilliamWe]

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... if "carp wiz" is found up-stream of the barriers, the fish are in lake Michigan Water can not flow up stream... cesspool that is the Chicago channel...

Actually, since that channel was created to make the river flow the opposite direction (to send Chicago's waste downstate), they have flound that the bottom of that channel and river still flow towards Lake Michigan. So it is possible for water to flow "upstream".

 

[jigngrub]

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Increased harvest generally results in increased reproduction and more dynamic populations.

Man I wish that was true... but tell that to the Canadian Maritime commercial Cod fishermen and the Red Snapper and Grouper commercial fishermen of the gulf coast... then there's the swordfish and blue fin tuna fishermen too.

The best way to control or deplete a fish species is to put a commercial value on it.


I've never eaten a Bih Head Carp, but would try it if we had them close by. If they're as good as people say they are there are Rednecks (like me) really missing out on something... good to eat, no size or creel limits, no closed seasons, and the fish just jump into the boat!!! It's like a Redneck fishermans dream come true!

 

[Scott Danforth]

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carp are crap feeders or filter feeders. I would rather suck on a used oil filter

 

[DayCruiser]

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I think I remember seeing a news story about the Carp on 60 minute. People are already making good money selling these fish to Asians. I really don't care who they sell them too. I don't like to see people starving in any country. Looks like there are plenty of these type fish for everyone and nobody cares if they are over fished. Great opportunity for a Country needing all the new jobs we can get. Certain cultures will eat them and certain won't. Just market to those that will eat them. Simple as that

 

[backyardhockey3]

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We ski in the Illinois about 100 miles West of Chitown. You see people fishing with bow and arrow. Usually it is an outboard near shore that kicks them up. Other day we were drifting mid river. I turn the key on the I/O and several leap about 4'. Close enough that I got splashed.

Eraticate all invasive species. Except me of course.

 

[mommicked]

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carp are crap feeders or filter feeders. I would rather suck on a used oil filter

I agree and believe filterfeeders could only be as clean as the water they feed in. I would worry about toxins in their flesh in badly polluted waters they seem to thrive on.

 

[H20Rat]

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I agree and believe filterfeeders could only be as clean as the water they feed in. I would worry about toxins in their flesh in badly polluted waters they seem to thrive on.

Really doesn't matter that much, if there is a toxin, it is going to be throughout the ecosystem generally. At some point in the food chain of any fish, its going to eat something else that ate something that was contaminated, if the environment is already contaminated. (in other words, it isn't just filter feeders, but no fish is ever going to be less contaminated than the environment it is in)

 

[kfa4303]

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None down here, that I know of. We do have wild/native sturgeon that will jump though. I think it helps that we have these guys running around all over the place.




Either way they're no bueno. They're non-native and just because people may/may not like to eat them (btw who wants fish that doesn't taste like fish?) doesn't mean they belong. We have non-native everything down here; people (tourists), plants (too many to count) and animals (pythons, iguanas, etc.....) and they're destroying the native habitats like you wouldn't believe. Jigngrub is right that the best way to decimate a population of anything is to place a commercial value on it, which is precisely what they need to do to eliminate them. If we put a $100 on every python taken out of the everglades, they'd be gone in less than 5 years. Maryland just did a similar program with Snakeheads and it was a resounding success. Granted, it may be a a bit of a Sisyphean task, but you gotta try. Although, letting people (many of whom will no doubt be intoxicated) shoot them from a boat is one of the dumber solutions I can think of. Not only is it dangerous as can be, but now you're dumping untold amounts of lead shot into the water. Again, not so smart, or even effective. You catch fish with nets, not guns.

Non-natives = Nonsense