88 Capri Restoration (Splashed 08/2022)

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yes, the spring is stretched a bit.

there are very few old-school distributor repair places with a sun distributor machine

However new springs and weights may be available.

the GM HEI springs and weights (only ones sold to the general public) are different. so dont even try to use them.
 

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yes, the spring is stretched a bit.

there are very few old-school distributor repair places with a sun distributor machine

However new springs and weights may be available.

the GM HEI springs and weights (only ones sold to the general public) are different. so dont even try to use them.
Thank you for the information Scott. I have contacted Holley (Mallory) in the past about parts for this but they had no information.
I've done hours of searching for bushings, weights, springs with no luck. May be I'm not using the right search terms, I don't know.
The new one seems to be in good shape other than the drive gear but the one from the boat is in great shape so I was going to see if Napa could press them off and on for me.
I'm going to keep looking for spare parts though.
My motor seems to be the step child of OMG lol
 

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drive gear should be held on with a roll pin

bushings for the shaft are stocked at NAPA. lower is about $5-8, upper is about $8-13.

Prices went up on dizzy bushings.

however the springs and weights are available only thru certified distributor shops with the exception of the HEI units. so your best bet. start googling distributor repair shops. you will have to send it in so they can validate the spring and fly weights.
 

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drive gear should be held on with a roll pin

bushings for the shaft are stocked at NAPA. lower is about $5-8, upper is about $8-13.

Prices went up on dizzy bushings.

however the springs and weights are available only thru certified distributor shops with the exception of the HEI units. so your best bet. start googling distributor repair shops. you will have to send it in so they can validate the spring and fly weights.
Awesome thank you😊
 

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HI all,
My wife had some pictures on her phone from the splash. I am camera shy :)
I was extremely nervous at this point because she was only moving about 5 or so minutes and the lake is 100' deep at this spot :). The lake was extremely rough (the video doesn't do it justice ) and busy that day.
Sorry no hypersonic speed shots or videos.
I definitely have some interior work ahead of me!

I wanted to mention that my boat sits lower than it did originally because I eliminated the ski locker and added flotation foam, I added alot more fiberglass to the transom then it had and I had 3/4" flooring, I know in other posts about different subjects people wanted to add things to their boats but I can tell you from experience that you do need to watch what weight you do add because it will reduce the capacity.
In my situation my boat had a 750 lb. capacity, but I don't intend to have more than my wife and I on it anyway. That little 2.3 L does have getup and go though regardless.
 

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I wanted to show what can be the result of running your engine with no cooling water.

My exhaust flapper was non-existent ad this is the guide for the water tube in the lower unit.
 

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Cool boat bro. I see many similar boats for sale for small bucks. I'm just not up for a big project like this. Although I sure would love to own a boat like yours. Maybe I'll luck out and find the rare exception to the rule that doesn't need to be gutted.
 

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Cool boat bro. I see many similar boats for sale for small bucks. I'm just not up for a big project like this. Although I sure would love to own a boat like yours. Maybe I'll luck out and find the rare exception to the rule that doesn't need to be gutted.
Thank you, I never had a boat of my own before so I never knew what I might be in for but when I heard the price I was like "Hell YEA".
We just happened to be window shopping at boats and I just didn't want another payment for something so the timing was good in that respect.
The style of the boat got me right away "loved the 80's" so in that aspect there was no question.
I do know that with how much prices have increased for supplies , especially resin by 3x, I wouldn't be able to do it now so I guess fate played a part in all of it, LOL!
 

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Seems we have some things in common. I never had a boat of my own until recently either. I also have the skills to do what you did, I just don't want to! I already pretty much wasted one summer working on my boats instead of actually using them. This year will be different, right? RIGHT?! LOL
 

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I know these images are in the SOTY thread but I want to insert the plaques here also to hopefully give extra inspiration for those reading my build to get your builds in the water! :)

My build is not complete so this thread will continue.........
 

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You da man! No doubt about it. Have to say you've inspired me sir. Inspired me to be extremely careful when contemplating buying an older glass boat. So even though I may not ever go down your path, your experiences have been insightful and of great value. Something that would also be helfpul would be a guide to what to look for. Just how can one tell for sure a glass boat is solid or not? I mean other than your foot going through the floor......
 

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You da man! No doubt about it. Have to say you've inspired me sir. Inspired me to be extremely careful when contemplating buying an older glass boat. So even though I may not ever go down your path, your experiences have been insightful and of great value. Something that would also be helfpul would be a guide to what to look for. Just how can one tell for sure a glass boat is solid or not? I mean other than your foot going through the floor......
Thank you sir,
Everything you described is what I was hoping someone would find useful from my journey.
The immediate visual signs would be any stress cracking of the gelcoat in the stern area, I had cracking between the sterndrive and drain plug on the exterior of the hull.
The other signs were after I started digging into her I found a stress crack in the gelcoat underneath the rear pad behind the doghouse, you wouldn't see this unless you folded it up . It ran across the top of the (above the cleat) stern and was about 10" long, I believe the stern was starting to completely separate from the hull due to rot and pulling a skier or maybe even just the torque, eventually there would have been a recovery if the boat was being used continually at that point.
The rot that I had shown in the beginning of my thread was obviously not visible till after demolition had started, but demonstrates what can be hidden under the glass.
As @Scott Danforth usually tells anyone asking questions about a possible old boat purchase, tapping around with your hand or mallet on the hull or other areas will not tell you the real story you may be buying. (He usually is the first to respond to these questions) :)
If you purchase for $$$$ or free it will cost something no matter what, whether in structural rebuild, mechanical or both (I'm both) you need to realize that boats generally are not an item that one can flip for a profit like automobiles and if you start a build you need to like the boat and will it fit your needs because even if you would be fortunate enough to recoup your money invested by selling it the man hours (usually substantial) will never be.
If you like bringing things back from the dead these are good projects, but don't rush or be afraid to change timelines because they will change! (I was a year longer than planned).
I started rambling (sorry).
One things many of the long-timers here will say that to be as sure as you can be without demolition is doing bore tests on the transom and stringers if accessible.
Use a 1/4" drill bit to see what the shavings look like (light colored=good, dark colored=rot) then fill with 3M 5200, but most sellers won't allow a prospective buyer drill into their boat for some reason :).
Like you stated about soft spots in the floor and the cracks I mentioned the @iboats is a great source of information for help and my story would have not ended as good as it did.
I ramble so if something is confusing please point it out :)
 

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Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I didn't think you were rambling as the info provided is invaluable and far more helpful than anything else I've read. One thing that I find sort of troubling is how so many of these glass boats look so damned nice sitting on the trailer, yet have pretty much zero value.

I have a buddy who's about to make the plunge and of course, he's finding 20+ year glass boats that many times looks really nice. With refurbed upholstery and carpet they look basically like new. I sent him some of your pics to show what could be lurking underneath.

Man, you'd think that instead of using wood on these boats they just would have cast (is that the proper term?) the various components out of glass and stuck em together with some resin and cloth. Seems to me that would be a great savings in labor involved and the result would be a boat that would be almost as durable as aluminum. The increase in the cost of materials, offset by a reduction in man hours. Or is it all about weight? Is glass that much heavier than wood?
 

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Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I didn't think you were rambling as the info provided is invaluable and far more helpful than anything else I've read. One thing that I find sort of troubling is how so many of these glass boats look so damned nice sitting on the trailer, yet have pretty much zero value.

I have a buddy who's about to make the plunge and of course, he's finding 20+ year glass boats that many times looks really nice. With refurbed upholstery and carpet they look basically like new. I sent him some of your pics to show what could be lurking underneath.

Man, you'd think that instead of using wood on these boats they just would have cast (is that the proper term?) the various components out of glass and stuck em together with some resin and cloth. Seems to me that would be a great savings in labor involved and the result would be a boat that would be almost as durable as aluminum. The increase in the cost of materials, offset by a reduction in man hours. Or is it all about weight? Is glass that much heavier than wood?
It's been stated many times that most boats of the past were only designed to last 15 years, Bayliner's quality was not very good in the 80's, in which my pictures tell the tale, LOL.
I'm sure wood was cheaper to use, and yes lighter they wanted to pump them out to be profitable (like automobiles). I remember reading that Bayliner was like the entry level boat (my model) and they produced quite a few.
In my opinion with the way we redo these boats they will last longer and are stronger because they are being built correctly.
 

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I believe you're correct, wood is cheaper core material.
Don't know if it's true, but, I think I heard after 1995 most are solid glass
 

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I believe you're correct, wood is cheaper core material.
Don't know if it's true, but, I think I heard after 1995 most are solid glass
Not a true statement. Some larger and lower volume boats still use balsa and wood to this day. Depends on the manufacturer
 

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Lots of boats still have wood. Most of the wood, after about 2005, is KDAT wood, which has rot resistance.

I was recently looking at a 2015 Formula 330 CBR . . . I could tell that the bulkheads and stringers were wood, same as boats built 30 years prior.

Lots of folks think their wooden boats are all fiberglass.

BTW - wood floats, fiberglass does not. IIRC, Fiberglass is about twice as dense as water.

@88 Capri - looking forward to your continued updates (y)
 

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Not a true statement. Some larger and lower volume boats still use balsa and wood to this day. Depends on the manufacturer
Has anyone ever made a list of what years and manufacturers are all glass? Seems to me a used boat that doesn't use wood would be a much better purchase than one that does.
 

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Has anyone ever made a list of
not to my knowledge

However even an all glass hull with stringer tubs glued together with plexus only are designed to last 15 years as the glue joints fail

 
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