86 Sea Ray Restoration [Splashed Oct 2017]

Woodonglass

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2 things you might consider from an Old Dumb Okies point of view. Roll on some resin on the substrate before you lay down the CSM. This way the resin can soak up from the back side too and create a better bond and it also helps hold it in place on vertical applications. 2nd, pour the resin out of the cup down into the area being rolled out and then use the roller to roll it up into the glass. The roller will soak it up and you don't have to constantly "Re-Dip" it into the cup. Might make it a bit easier and faster. But...I am an Old Dumb Okie so you might need to take that into consideration!!!!!:eek::D;)

You're doing some FINE work!!!!
 

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2 things you might consider from an Old Dumb Okies point of view. Roll on some resin on the substrate before you lay down the CSM. This way the resin can soak up from the back side too and create a better bond and it also helps hold it in place on vertical applications. 2nd, pour the resin out of the cup down into the area being rolled out and then use the roller to roll it up into the glass. The roller will soak it up and you don't have to constantly "Re-Dip" it into the cup. Might make it a bit easier and faster. But...I am an Old Dumb Okie so you might need to take that into consideration!!!!!:eek::D;)

You're doing some FINE work!!!!

Awww man, Wood...... you're my idol! its a honor just having you post in my thread. Tips well taken :)
 

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Well, that means I'll soon be going OFF THE AIR!!! I AM an AMERICAN so that makes me an AMERICAN IDOL and I heard the other day this is it's last season soooo I guess it's ALL OVER FOR ME!!!!! I knew it was too good to be true!!!! I really hope you hurry up and get this boat done. I wanted so much to see it splashed before I bit the dust and rode off into the Sunset!!!!:D
 

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Well, that means I'll soon be going OFF THE AIR!!! I AM an AMERICAN so that makes me an AMERICAN IDOL and I heard the other day this is it's last season soooo I guess it's ALL OVER FOR ME!!!!! I knew it was too good to be true!!!! I really hope you hurry up and get this boat done. I wanted so much to see it splashed before I bit the dust and rode off into the Sunset!!!!:D

Neither one of us is biting any dust or riding off into any sunsets till this boat is done!! :D

I sent ya a PM
 

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Glad you're back at it...selfishly of course. Like following one of those old-timey radio serials, but in the youtube world! Looks good! It is truly coming together now.
 

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Glad you're back at it...selfishly of course. Like following one of those old-timey radio serials, but in the youtube world! Looks good! It is truly coming together now.

Thank you kindly, I have a feeling its going to be worth the wait =)
 

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Goldie, It has taken me a few days but I've gone through the entire thread. GREAT job on the restoration so far! You have me hopeful about my new project. Keep it up.

I just bought my first boat for $200 and its a 17' '84 Sea Ray that needs "interior work" Now that I have it home and have gone through it a little more I noticed that it needs a complete restoration. I knew it needed work but I didn't know it need to be taken to the hull kinda work. I took off the new deck that he had just replaced(which was actually nicely done, but only 1/2") and noticed he had 2x4s stacked and screwed to 2x6s stacked and screwed to rotted out fiberglass. Just a total redneck mess under his nice deck work. But that's alright, now I can build it up anyway I like. After going through your thread and watching your videos I feel a little bit more at ease with what needs to be done. I'm sure I'll be visiting your thread again soon for when I get lost. Again, GREAT job Goldie!

P.S. If you are really going to throw away that fishfinder, I'll take it. The guy I bought my boat from pretty much stripped everything except essential parts.
 

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Goldie, It has taken me a few days but I've gone through the entire thread. GREAT job on the restoration so far! You have me hopeful about my new project. Keep it up.

I just bought my first boat for $200 and its a 17' '84 Sea Ray that needs "interior work" Now that I have it home and have gone through it a little more I noticed that it needs a complete restoration. I knew it needed work but I didn't know it need to be taken to the hull kinda work. I took off the new deck that he had just replaced(which was actually nicely done, but only 1/2") and noticed he had 2x4s stacked and screwed to 2x6s stacked and screwed to rotted out fiberglass. Just a total redneck mess under his nice deck work. But that's alright, now I can build it up anyway I like. After going through your thread and watching your videos I feel a little bit more at ease with what needs to be done. I'm sure I'll be visiting your thread again soon for when I get lost. Again, GREAT job Goldie!

P.S. If you are really going to throw away that fishfinder, I'll take it. The guy I bought my boat from pretty much stripped everything except essential parts.

Hello Tx, thanks for the nice compliment. I'm doubling my efforts to get this project completed so that it will be ready for the unexpected return of American Idol!! :D Sorry Tx, kind of a inside joke :)

I could write a thesis on this subject but I'll keep it short and sweet to just give you a few things to consider before you start down this road where only foolish men dwell :D

1.) Do you have a PLACE to work on the boat? Power tools are noisy, fiber glass dust is dusty (and bad for you), if its outside some of your work will be temperature dependant, you'll get sick of covering and uncovering the boat (trust me), you will need adequate lighting and electricity

2.) Do you have TIME? If you have a full time job, young kids (18 and under), you provide care for a loved one, you go to church, have other hobbies and you have a wife, a mistress or a girlfriend (or any combination of those three :D) its looking pretty bleek for you.

3.) Do you have TOOLS? This is not a complete list, but off the top of my head, compressor, shop vac, hammer, mallet, screwdrivers, pry bars, jig saw, saws all, circular saw, impact gun, floor jack, cherry picker, sockets and drivers, grinder, belt sander, rollers, chip brushes, plastic putty knives, betty crocker and or one of her spoons ;), angle finder, that angle thingy mabob you put your drill in to drill perfect angle holes for the transom, plastic gloves, tyvex suit, respirator, safety googles, a level, dump gun, etc... etc...

4.) What nots, do dads, and miscellaneous: there are a few items that you will need along the way, some will be easy to find, some will not. These items will be different for everybody. A few of mine... Ski Locker Teak Drop In Hatch, emblems, replacement parts in general, stainless steel piano hinges, stainless steel screws, sand paper, grinding discs, mixing containers, sugar free cool aid, coffee....

5.) KNOWLEDGE: If you are not doing a complete resto, you should know how to take effective core samples. If you are doing a complete resto you will need to know how to snatch a motor, outdrive and transom plate, how to paint with air or tip roll, how to time products so they don't expire before you use them, how to fiberglass and much more im sure im forgetting...

6.) GREENBACKS: Yesterday my big bruh and I were out in the bay on a charter talking to a fellow fisherman about his boat, I never heard this before but he said B O A T stands for bust out another thousand! :D If you are inexperienced like me in the beginning you are going to waste some resin during the learning process. Like mixing too much or too little, also consider product availability, shipping costs, product shelf life. In general the materials for boat restoration are high as a giraffes ***! :eek: Resin and Wood being at the top. Be prepared to spend waaaayyyyy more than you initially thought. You will constantly be spending cash and all those lil things add up.

7.) Blood, sweat and tears: You have to be the kind of guy who doesnt mind getting dirty, hot and sweaty and physically tired. You have to have the determination of a juggernaut!! This aint for everybody. I love my brothers dearly but I havent asked them to help me throughout my entire restoration because I know they just aint that type of guys. Even when we were kids, theyd get a toy and just sit there in the shade and play with it, I would get a toy and instead of playing with it I would set it down and build a catapult to shoot it across the yard! LOL I was always making all sorts of moddified toys, building stuff, experimenting with electricity, all ways had a pick up truck, always had tools.

8.) Tips: Weigh the boat before you start the project, document the deconstruction, take lots of pictures, save your old parts sometimes they are good templates, dont get discouraged, take good notes of measurements, always wear a respirator when kicking up dust, post some pics of your boat and dont be shy about asking questions, explore good resources, woodonglass, friscoboater, georgesalmon, tpinfield, corgen1, the list goes on and on....

By no stretch of the imagination am I trying to discourage you, just want you to think about a few things. You are definitely in the right place here on the forum. You couldnt ask for a better group of guys to share you restoration with. Everyone here is also very helpful and encouraging. The finished product will be very rewarding and you'll have the confidence knowing that everything was done right!!

I dont think the fish finder will do you any good as i dont belive i have the transdeucer or the mph paddle wheel thingy, plus its kinda dated... For 200 bucks you can get a portable sonar called deeper. I was really skeptical when i was doing my research on it. I got it and was blown away, it works and works very well. It wont reel your line or steer the boat but it will show you where the fish are, the bottom, the temperature and the vegitation. I found a nice largie using the deeper and caught it! I'll put a lil clip of it in an upcoming vid.

I wish you all the best and may your four and a half inch flap disc stay gritty!! :)
 
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In general the materials for boat restoration are high as a giraffe's booty! :D
 

TxLime2311

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Hey Goldie, thanks for the quick reply. I'm going to assume that you are talking about WOG how he is an American and he's your Idol and American Idol is being canceled after this season. Something along those lines

Talk about one very long winded, but very informative "short and sweet" run down. It has helped me out a lot to decide what I want to do. whether to scrap the boat or restore it. As much as my wife hates it.....I want to restore it. I really appreciate your post giving me an idea of what's to expect and things needed. Now here it comes.

1) I have a carport that is more of a garage exempt it has no door on the front. When I get around to painting I'll just put some of the plastic liners that they sell at lowes to tape up to the front to keep just from getting in or out.

2)Time? As of right now I have plenty. I was just laid off from an oil field company and they have already called me back to work so I'm waiting for my drug test to come back. Once I go back I'll be work 15 and 6. So I'll have 6 days straight to work on it. I'm married with a baby on the way. So it might be a little trouble once little man gets here, but my wife is the director of a preschool so the baby will be with her during the day and I'll be free all that time.

3) TOOLS. I have my fair share of tools. I have everything on your list except the angle finder(just not a fancy one like yours), and betty crocker but last time I made some filets I used the 1" popsicle sticks. They came out great.

4) Do dads, like I said in my first post, the fella I bought the old boat from pretty much took everything out when he did the deck and never kept it. So I have no templates for anything except where the throttle control was. With that knowledge I have decided that I'll be just making everything out of fiberglass the wait I want and like.

5)knowledge: I'm no sure I know exactly what you are talking about when you say core samples. Well if removing the motor is the same as my 7.3 or my old chevy 350 this should be a breeze. Oh and tell Scott he has a one nice burban. I currently have a 1972 Blazer 4x4 I'm restoring. Not in any rush to finish that one. Although my outdrive looks nothing like your. It has like 20 SS screws all around the dang thing. When it come to the paibt does it have to be sprayed on? When I was on bateau.com they used a technique called roll and tipping. Where you roll on the paint and then with a high quality brush you brush it and it makes a very nice mirror finish.

6)GREENBACKS: I hope this doesn't come off rude, and feel free not to answer but do you have a rough estimate of how much you have spent so far? As I'm not rich and can't place an order for $1500 like you did but I do have a local fiberglass shop that I speak to the owner every now and then. I have built a connection enough to get him to order me resin from his supplier at his cost. Same with his mat. Which is another thing, when I spoke with him today he told me to just use CSM. He was telling me in his 40 years of him and his father before him owning that shop. He has only used CSM. Whats your thoughts? Oh and also on bateau they used wood flour mixed with the resin to make my PB. That's what I used for my filets on my last filet project and it seams to be holding up just fine.

7) BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS: I've worked in the oilfield since 2007 and work on all my own vehicles. So getting dirty, working hard, and staying up at all hours working on something that seems pointless to everyone else is right up my alley. I'm the guy that is always working on stuff and does it by myself.

8) TIPS: Why weigh the boat? Lucky me I don't have anythibg to measure lol. Is all pretty well crap and rotted away. I'll definitely be documenting everything. I'll prolly be doing it through pics, as I dont own a computer just an IPad and my Telle. I'll probably be starting a restoration thread of my own. I hope to see you, WOG, TP, GEORGESALMON FRISCOBOATER, CORGEN1 and all the others there. Sorry about the caplocks.

I really appreciate all the information you shared with me. Sorry about my long winded reply on your page. Not in anyway was I trying to hog it. I'll check out that sonar too.

P.S. excuse the errors in grammer and spelling errors. I'm typing this on my phone and it only gives e a 1"x3" block to read and edit everything on. Does this site reload every few minutes on everyone else or is it just me?

keep it going!



Hello Tx, thanks for the nice compliment. I'm doubling my efforts to get this project completed so that it will be ready for the unexpected return of American Idol!! :D Sorry Tx, kind of a inside joke :)

I could write a thesis on this subject but I'll keep it short and sweet to just give you a few things to consider before you start down this road where only foolish men dwell :D


1.) Do you have a PLACE to work on the boat? Power tools are noisy, fiber glass dust is dusty (and bad for you), if its outside some of your work will be temperature dependant, you'll get sick of covering and uncovering the boat (trust me), you will need adequate lighting and electricity

2.) Do you have TIME? If you have a full time job, young kids (18 and under), you provide care for a loved one, you go to church, have other hobbies and you have a wife, a mistress or a girlfriend (or any combination of those three :D) its looking pretty bleek for you.

3.) Do you have TOOLS? This is not a complete list, but off the top of my head, compressor, shop vac, hammer, mallet, screwdrivers, pry bars, jig saw, saws all, circular saw, impact gun, floor jack, cherry picker, sockets and drivers, grinder, belt sander, rollers, chip brushes, plastic putty knives, betty crocker and or one of her spoons ;), angle finder, that angle thingy mabob you put your drill in to drill perfect angle holes for the transom, plastic gloves, tyvex suit, respirator, safety googles, a level, dump gun, etc... etc...

4.) What nots, do dads, and miscellaneous: there are a few items that you will need along the way, some will be easy to find, some will not. These items will be different for everybody. A few of mine... Ski Locker Teak Drop In Hatch, emblems, replacement parts in general, stainless steel piano hinges, stainless steel screws, sand paper, grinding discs, mixing containers, sugar free cool aid, coffee....

5.) KNOWLEDGE: If you are not doing a complete resto, you should know how to take effective core samples. If you are doing a complete resto you will need to know how to snatch a motor, outdrive and transom plate, how to paint with air or tip roll, how to time products so they don't expire before you use them, how to fiberglass and much more im sure im forgetting...

6.) GREENBACKS: Yesterday my big bruh and I were out in the bay on a charter talking to a fellow fisherman about his boat, I never heard this before but he said B O A T stands for bust out another thousand! :D If you are inexperienced like me in the beginning you are going to waste some resin during the learning process. Like mixing too much or too little, also consider product availability, shipping costs, product shelf life. In general the materials for boat restoration are high as a giraffes ***! :eek: Resin and Wood being at the top. Be prepared to spend waaaayyyyy more than you initially thought. You will constantly be spending cash and all those lil things add up.

7.) Blood, sweat and tears: You have to be the kind of guy who doesnt mind getting dirty, hot and sweaty and physically tired. You have to have the determination of a juggernaut!! This aint for everybody. I love my brothers dearly but I havent asked them to help me throughout my entire restoration because I know they just aint that type of guys. Even when we were kids, theyd get a toy and just sit there in the shade and play with it, I would get a toy and instead of playing with it I would set it down and build a catapult to shoot it across the yard! LOL I was always making all sorts of moddified toys, building stuff, experimenting with electricity, all ways had a pick up truck, always had tools.

8.) Tips: Weigh the boat before you start the project, document the deconstruction, take lots of pictures, save your old parts sometimes they are good templates, dont get discouraged, take good notes of measurements, always wear a respirator when kicking up dust, post some pics of your boat and dont be shy about asking questions, explore good resources, woodonglass, friscoboater, georgesalmon, tpinfield, corgen1, the list goes on and on....

By no stretch of the imagination am I trying to discourage you, just want you to think about a few things. You are definitely in the right place here on the forum. You couldnt ask for a better group of guys to share you restoration with. Everyone here is also very helpful and encouraging. The finished product will be very rewarding and you'll have the confidence knowing that everything was done right!!

I dont think the fish finder will do you any good as i dont belive i have the transdeucer or the mph paddle wheel thingy, plus its kinda dated... For 200 bucks you can get a portable sonar called deeper. I was really skeptical when i was doing my research on it. I got it and was blown away, it works and works very well. It wont reel your line or steer the boat but it will show you where the fish are, the bottom, the temperature and the vegitation. I found a nice largie using the deeper and caught it! I'll put a lil clip of it in an upcoming vid.

I wish you all the best and may your four and a half inch flap disc stay gritty!! :)
 

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Goldie. Was that a gunshot at 3:12. Lol.


That was so funny LOL Thats so weird cause normally i can hear somebody fiddlin around in they pocket from 25 feet away :D but i didnt notice that! I must be slippn in my old age. :) But also, its summer vacation and the crews are laying blacktop at the school across the street. They had a few big cats and some over heavy equipment going. I thought maybe they were running that one post hole digger thingy, but who drops that thing only once??? LOL

Always a pleasure to speak to speak! How ya been man?
 
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