50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

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Michigan Jason

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Re: UPDATE: JUN13th 1:15PM EST

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Michigan Jason said:
is this the unit mounted to the bottom of the head with the wire i just grounded to verify that the buzzer sounded? (it did btw)
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water was a spray at best, warmer than the cold water in the bucket.... i have the fywheel off now....stator and trigger wires look good...what do i do now?
 
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Re: UPDATE: JUN13th 1:15PM EST

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There's no need to remove the flywheel but since you already did it you might as well take resistance reading of the stator and trigger according to the manual.
 
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Jiggz said:
There's no need to remove the flywheel but since you already did it you might as well take resistance reading of the stator and trigger according to the manual.
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all i have is a regular meter.... can you email me your phone number? i will paypal you money..
 
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What's with the "I'll paypal you money" stuff?

I doubt anyone here would take money to help a fellow boater out. Doubtful anyone is charged for long distance calls anyway.
 
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BonairII said:
What's with the "I'll paypal you money" stuff?

I doubt anyone here would take money to help a fellow boater out. Doubtful anyone is charged for long distance calls anyway.
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i just need the help...i have the flywheel off, stator and trigger off....and a regular meter....what next?
 
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Be patient....and listen carefully to the pros here(I'm not one of them btw).

Don't start taking things apart and/or replacing parts haphazardly.

The experts here will have you test things systematically, so you can diagnose it more quickly.

BTW: you could have tested the stator, timer base etc without removing them.
 
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BonairII said:
Be patient....and listen carefully to the pros here(I'm not one of them btw).

Don't start taking things apart and/or replacing parts haphazardly.

The experts here will have you test things systematically, so you can diagnose it more quickly.

BTW: you could have tested the stator, timer base etc without removing them.
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I removed and visually inspected the trigger and stator per the service manual. The stator magnets and wires looked solid, here is a picture of the wires going to the trigger...

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problem is this yes?
 
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Re: UPDATE: JUN13th 1:15PM EST

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BonairII said:
Pull your thermostat and run without it....should cool the motor right down with it out. Probably a good time to change it regardless. It's a cheap part that ruin a motor in a hurry.
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Might want to look into BonairII post. You should be able to put your hand on the water jackets while idling. Your heat sensor could be bad or a bad ground.
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

riptorn said:
Might want to look into BonairII post. You should be able to put your hand on the water jackets while idling. Your heat sensor could be bad or a bad ground.
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I understand, but if the engine only runs long enough to get 10 degrees from opening the thermostat the head will be hot to touch...had I let it run a few more mins would the thermostat have opened allowing water to cool the engine? Or is.this not like a car? Either way


I found burned wires in the trigger assembly
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

Yes if it is working right, and how do you know? Have you changed the gas yet Back to regular?
 
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Might want to look into BonairII post. You should be able to put your hand on the water jackets while idling. Your heat sensor could be bad or a bad ground.
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Change what? I'm confused
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

Your confusing me now. I didn't mention changing anything unless your talking about BonairII post.
the later post I asked if you changed the gas back to regular. (you say from your very first post. I put premium gas)
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

Pull the t-stat....and see if motor runs cooler. If it does, your t-stat is bad.
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

Is the tsat the unit with 4 allen wrench bolts up at the top of the head above the spark plug? I can't start my motor until I get the new trigger and re assemble it all
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

Michigan Jason said:
Is the tsat the unit with 4 allen wrench bolts up at the top of the head above the spark plug? I can't start my motor until I get the new trigger and re assemble it all
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I don't know where the tstat is on the 50, somebody will tell. Can you post a picture of the burnt trigger?
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

What year is your motor?
 
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Re: 50HP Force left me dead in the water in the middle of lake st clair yesterday

Picture is posted on page 2. Motor is 95
 
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Re: UPDATE: JUN13th 1:15PM EST

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Jason, That wire looks like it has burnt section but you do not need to replace the entire trigger to fix it. You can just wrap that with two or three layers of electrical tape and you should be good again. Only and if only the trigger resistance is still within specs meaning the cause of the burnt wire is due to low insulation on the wire instead of a high current on the trigger.
 
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Jiggz said:
Jason, That wire looks like it has burnt section but you do not need to replace the entire trigger to fix it. You can just wrap that with two or three layers of electrical tape and you should be good again. Only and if only the trigger resistance is still within specs meaning the cause of the burnt wire is due to low insulation on the wire instead of a high current on the trigger.
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For $40 why wouldnt I replace it? Before I do, how do I test to confirm this is bad? It is removed from the boat is there a way I can test it sitting here at the table with my meter?
 
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