2004 bayliner classic 195

[redneck joe]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

yeah but way different issue than the cobra. Ask me how I know...


the Bay he is looking at won't need to worry about that.

 

[Maclin]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

LOL!! Oh yeah, thanks Joe! I shoulda have re-read the title again, sorry....I think I have this mixed up with another thread.

 

[redneck joe]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Talked to the guy with this Bayliner again today and it sounds like he might let it go for $7000 stating in the contract/bill of sale he guarantees the hull is great shape with no signs of soft spots/rot. .

Private sale? Nothing in writing will help you much unless you like bashing your face against a wall. Dealer you may get somewhere if turns out bad - that said the HULL should have no issues with soft spots make sure the verbiage is deck and stringers.

 

[tazrig]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

...Dealer you may get somewhere if turns out bad - that said the HULL should have no issues with soft spots make sure the verbiage is deck and stringers.

+1^^^ Shifting gears in the driveway will tell you little because the engine isn't under any load. If you really want the boat try offering him a large deposit so he knows you are serious but final payment should be based on a favorable marine survey and a sea trial. If you skip either of those things you are taking $7K and just throwing it into the wind hoping for a favorable result.

 

[vipertblck]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

anybody know where to go find a marine surveyor, I've read and heard form many that having someone check the boat over is the best thing to do. Then i'll know that someone looked at it who knows the types of things to check for. where do I find such people?

 

[Slip Away]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Just search for a surveyor in your area. Easy to do. It can't hurt to have it done, but on a boat that small, a sea trial and good look over should tell you all you need to know, and save the $600 surveyor fee.

 

[tazrig]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Just search for a surveyor in your area. Easy to do. It can't hurt to have it done, but on a boat that small, a sea trial and good look over should tell you all you need to know, and save the $600 surveyor fee.

Except hidden electrical problems, rot and structural problems, engine and mechanical problems, gel coat and fit and finnish problems etc. etc. If you're new to boating, you wouldn't even know what to begin to look for. A good survey is the only way to go. I don't know what the prices are in michigan but here they are about $200-$300.

 

[Slip Away]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Ah, key phrase "new to boating" Yep. Got it.

 

[vipertblck]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

I figured a few hundred, but around 600, holy god! I feel it's prolly best thing for me to do because as I am new to boating, im familiar with what to look for....to an extent. I have no idea how to analyze and examine and entire craft! I feel for around $7000 price tag it's worth the few hundred to have a professional look it over, even if I do feel it's probably gonna pass just fine. are these marine surveyors personal individuals or people from a dealership or something?

 

[Brian 26]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Just read this whole thread. Geez, lots of doom and gloom on here.

Price, that is a good price for the midwest (I don't know about the rest of the country). People on here have said it should be more like $3k.....no way. If that was the case I'd buy everyone of those I could find for 3k and resell them in the spring for 8.

A survey, sure a survey is great if you can find a good inspector at a good price. But there is nothing saying a surveyor is going find all the hidden problems. It's a used boat so there is inherent risk no matter what. I have never heard of a 19' boat being sold with a surveyor. Heck most buyers don't even water test a boat like this.

 

[oldjeep]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Heck most buyers don't even water test a boat like this.

Pretty much anyone buying a boat between Nov and May is doing it without a water test

 

[redneck joe]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

surveyors charge by the foot (maybe have a minimum) my 34' was about $700 so you should be in the $300 range. Read up on here, I believe someone posted a link to a guide for buying a boat - and with this model if you are good with vehicles you are good with boats. That said, $300 aint much

Here is who my insurance company (USAA) told me to use.

The Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors, Inc.? - (SAMS?)

 

[redneck joe]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

oh, and relax. A lot of what you read here is worst case which yes happens, but then usually doesn't. Buying a boat is supposed to be fun, not nerve wracking.

 

[oldjeep]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Here is who my insurance company (USAA) told me to use.

The Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors, Inc.? - (SAMS?)

No wonder I never heard of anyone locally ever having a marine survey done - there are 3 of them in the state with the 1st or 2nd? most boats in the US.

 

[vipertblck]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Maybe it's not worth hiring a surveyor, possibly be better to go out and check it out myself and with a buddy who is knowledgeable with boats and if there's any question after that, then hire someone. I worry about buying it now because I would have to hear it start up and with that being done, there goes all the coolant from winterizing it and a ride home if purchased, in freezing temps with just water in the engine and outdrive. I guess that can at least show you if there's any leaks or cracks with water leaking that shouldn't be.

 

[oldjeep]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Maybe it's not worth hiring a surveyor, possibly be better to go out and check it out myself and with a buddy who is knowledgeable with boats and if there's any question after that, then hire someone. I worry about buying it now because I would have to hear it start up and with that being done, there goes all the coolant from winterizing it and a ride home if purchased, in freezing temps with just water in the engine and outdrive. I guess that can at least show you if there's any leaks or cracks with water leaking that shouldn't be.

Unfortunately firing it up on the muffs really only shows you that it starts. Even a whipped engine sounds pretty good when there is no load on it.

 

[redneck joe]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Maybe it's not worth hiring a surveyor, possibly be better to go out and check it out myself and with a buddy who is knowledgeable with boats and if there's any question after that, then hire someone.

See I told you it should be fun. A buddy, looking at boats.

Good idea.

 

[vipertblck]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Well, boat is still for sale! Seems kinda odd but I might be able to steal it for 5500-6000! Gonna go check it out again tomorrow now that it's warm out and we can start it up.

 

[tazrig]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Hey everyone, I'm back into the search for a boat and came across this one locally. Haven't looked at it but appears clean from the pics. Guy says the lower portion of outdrive was replaced due to shallow waters and the "fin" beneath the prop getting a chunk taken out, my concern for this was anything else getting messed up from a whack that hard, maybe the transom? Also the carb was replaced because the old one gummed up and needed a rebuilt, just cheaper to install a new one; according to the seller. Are these good boats and is this a fair price for northern Illinois?

thanks in advance.

2004 BAYLINER CLASSIC 195 OPER BOW LIKE NEW

Maybe just me but I smell a lying seller. Firstly $5,500 -$6,000 for a 10 year old 19 foot Bayliner??? I would think half that would be more than generous. Secondly if the drive was hit so hard that the whole lower unit needed to be replaced, what else was damaged in that accident and how many other accidents has he had producing hidden damage that he's not telling you about. Thirdly it is NEVER cheaper to just replace the carb than rebuild it as a professional rebuild is right around a $100. More likely it just sat around for a number of years and didn't get used, wasn't properly winterized, stabilized or well cared for. Gas only gunks up over a long period of non use. The worst thing you can do to a boat is just let it sit. I would approach this boat with extreme caution! Ask to see all the maintenance paperwork. If he doesn't have any ask to speak with the boatyard who did the work. If he balks at this then this is NOT the boat for you. Also... just running the boat on muffs won't tell you much other than the engine starts. You have to take it out on the water and run it under load (at speed) to truly determine if it has any underlying problems such as needing to be tuned, overheating, internal leaking etc. Even then if it runs great don't buy it without having a full survey done. There are structural, mechanical and electrical issues that only a well trained and experienced eye will catch. Having your friend take an initial look is a good first step but unless he/she has years of experience getting his/her hands dirty working on boats a survey and sea trial is a must. Good luck.

 

[oldjeep]

Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Maybe just me but I smell a lying seller. Firstly $5,500 -$6,000 for a 10 year old 19 foot Bayliner??? I would think half that would be more than generous.

Jeebus. Another bayliner hater. I just sold a 2005 195 for $9500 last month. And it also had a chunk taken out of the skeg - repaired with a skeggard.