2004 bayliner classic 195

Maclin

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Re: 2004 bayliner classic 195

Funny guy ;) I guess people will have to search the Minneapolis craigslist on their own.

Or even Eau Claire ;)

Oldjeep, do you have any thoughts on the OP's trailer, just curious, thanks...
 

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I just looked at OldJeeps ad to get a comparison of the trailers. OldJeep's looks correct for his boat. The trailer in the OP's pics does not look correct for the boat. The stern tiedowns are first clue, having to run back under the boat to get to a cross member, and not just a little ways either. Also looks like bunks were put on in place of rollers on those floating mounts. I would have to ask a LOT of questions around the history of the trailer choice.

Looks like the same trailer with a different winch post. Also looks like the winch post is just too far back on the tongue looking at the relationship between the bow and the V on the trailer.
 

oldjeep

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His picture:
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Couple from mine
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oldjeep

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Here's the same style from a dealer. I'm sure the OP saw it...

Bayliner 195 Classic 2004 Bow Rider

Interesting, it sits on the trailer the same way. I guess the bunks do go all the way to the transom, so it is properly supported. Does seem odd that the transom straps would have to run back to the trailer hooks, mine are relatively close to even with the transom.
 
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Maclin

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Yeah, the bunks go all the way back. I was just not used to transom tiedowns needing to go that far to a cross member. Looks stock now though in comparison, I will stand down!
 

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Again, you might want to look around a bit. 3-4K will get you a 20 year old bayliner

+1

The price on that boat is right in line with what similar boats go for in my area.
 

redneck joe

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don't let people scare you from a Bayliner, especially in the 2000 + year range. 20 years old as suggested I would hesitate a bit on.

Plus - remember he is 'asking' $7k, offer $5 and end in the middle and decent price.
 

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What about location, does that play a tremendous role in boat values? I'm new to the boating world so I don't know. I'm in northern Illinois.
 

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correct me if im wrong but aren't those winch's only "u-bolted" down to the trailers frame? couldn't I just loosen it, and slide it forward to pull the boat on another 1/2' or so?
 

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wait, so are you guys saying the trailer in the ad I'm looking at is the correct looking trailer for this boat?
 

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One of my primary concerns is reliability, construction, and dependability of Bayliners. I've always known the name but sounds like they were crap back in the day. Now though it seems like they've regained their reputation a bit. Are they, this one in particular, good strong dependable reliable boats? Even if I offered somewhere in the 6000 range, that's a lot of money for me! I want to make sure I'm buying something worthy.
 

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wait, so are you guys saying the trailer in the ad I'm looking at is the correct looking trailer for this boat?

Yes, it appears to be a properly set up factory trailer
 

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One of my primary concerns is reliability, construction, and dependability of Bayliners. I've always known the name but sounds like they were crap back in the day. Now though it seems like they've regained their reputation a bit. Are they, this one in particular, good strong dependable reliable boats? Even if I offered somewhere in the 6000 range, that's a lot of money for me! I want to make sure I'm buying something worthy.

That style Bayliner is and was an entry level boat - I've had 2 of them. Whether they are crap or not depends entirely on who owned it and how they took care of it. Let it sit out in the rain and soak up the wood - yup they rot. Take care of it and they don't. Reliability - it has a mercruiser, just like every other boat. Bayliner doesn't get factory seconds on drivetrains ;)

At 6K I would expect him to tell you to take a hike, but it doesn't hurt to ask. If 6K is your limit and you are concerned about what that will buy you, I'd be looking at aluminum boats with outboards.
 

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how do you guys go about checking for rot or soft spots? just go around the whole inside of the boat and engine compartment feeling around for soft sports?
 

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Drilling holes into the transom and/or stringers is the best way, but for some reason, most sellers are too crazy about people doing that...

Instead, you can take a long screwdriver and probe into any exposed part of the transom to which you have access. Best places to check are around the keyhole (where the outdrive sticks out of the transom), around the lower section of the transom near the hull (where water would collect) and near/below any thru-hull holes like ladder bolts, etc., especially those near or below the water line.

Check stringers and bulkheads anywhere they are exposed... possibly in the engine bay or via the ski locker.

Check for ANY soft spot in the decking. If you can feel it give when you step on it, it's soft.

One thing to keep in mind: a boat stored outdoors or in an unheated space will be less likely to show soft spots, as wet, rotten wood will freeze hard. Always better to check out a boat that's been stored at above-freezing temps.

I live a little down state from you, and that boat is in the range of expected prices (maybe a bit toward the high end), esp. if it's in really, really good shape. The size of the motor would move the price down a bit, I would think. I would think you could get it for $7000 or less. If the boat's not in really good shape, though, it's really overpriced. Always hard to tell from the pictures... they always look better in pictures.
 

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how do you guys go about checking for rot or soft spots? just go around the whole inside of the boat and engine compartment feeling around for soft sports?

In that particular model - open the ski locker and check the sides and underside of the floor there, also check right in front of the engine compartment. The floor will flex a little in front of the engine, but shouldn't be spongy.

As mentioned, if they have added any sort of transom mounted accessories - check the inside really well. Also check the inside of the transom for signs of softness near any of the bolt holes for the drive.
 
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Check for ANY soft spot in the decking. If you can feel it give when you step on it, it's soft.

Mostly true, but in front of the motor you will feel some flex even on a brand new one because it spans the fuel tank with no support on the rear edge. Heck, even on my VTX there is a little give there due to it spanning the fuel tank.
 

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Drilling holes into the transom and/or stringers is the best way, but for some reason, most sellers are too crazy about people doing that...

Instead, you can take a long screwdriver and probe into any exposed part of the transom to which you have access. Best places to check are around the keyhole (where the outdrive sticks out of the transom), around the lower section of the transom near the hull (where water would collect) and near/below any thru-hull holes like ladder bolts, etc., especially those near or below the water line.

Check stringers and bulkheads anywhere they are exposed... possibly in the engine bay or via the ski locker.

Check for ANY soft spot in the decking. If you can feel it give when you step on it, it's soft.

One thing to keep in mind: a boat stored outdoors or in an unheated space will be less likely to show soft spots, as wet, rotten wood will freeze hard. Always better to check out a boat that's been stored at above-freezing temps.

I live a little down state from you, and that boat is in the range of expected prices (maybe a bit toward the high end), esp. if it's in really, really good shape. The size of the motor would move the price down a bit, I would think. I would think you could get it for $7000 or less. If the boat's not in really good shape, though, it's really overpriced. Always hard to tell from the pictures... they always look better in pictures.


thanks that's all great info! just what I was looking for. not too sure what all those terms are or where some of those holes are located, but ill look it up and find out!

thanks
 

bruceb58

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Its in the ball park for the NADA. It's actually below average retail.
 
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