1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Woodonglass

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Thanks T. I will be checking the mounts before i start putting new material back in, which leads me to my new questions. I've been doing alot of reading on here and...

1) Should i, after doing demolition of old stringers, leave around 1/4" of the channel that the old stringers came out of to use as a guide for the new stringers? You can if you want to, it will not hurt a thing. Others have done it. Make sure to grind the old glass on the bottom of the hull so your tabbing will have good adhesion.

2) I'll be using poly resin for a majority of the rebuild (budget reasons). Once i have the stringers glassed and set in the hull, should i use mat and epoxy (for its bonding qualities) to attach stringers to the hull of can i still use the poly? Poly and Mat will work just fine.

3) Bedding for the stringers??? What is that and what do i do? I assume something goes between the wood and the hull for "cushion"? Need some guidance with this please. I'd Use PL construction adhesive to bed em in! Works great! Needs to cure a few days before you glass em in. Make sure to round over the edges of your stringers, makes glassin em a whole lot easier.

4) Does this sound correct...? cut and form pieces used for stringers and deck, then lay it all out. Coat with poly, then cloth, then wet the cloth making sure to get everything coated (including wood edges)... do this for top and bottom sides. Once everything is in place and deck is attached to stringers, switch to biax for final layer? I would do a dry run on setting the stringers in the boat first, then I'd take em all out, precoat all the wood with resin and a layer of 1.5 oz mat and resin paying close attention to the edges. When dry, I would PL the Stringers in and tab them in and let em set for a day or so. I would then come back with another layer of 1.5 oz of mat and then finish em off with a layer of Biax and call em good. I'd do the same with the plywood deck. Take a look @ MICKS110 thread starting on Page 15 thru 20 and you'll see how to install your deck.

5) Foam floatation... with pour in foam holding water, can i use (should i use) pink 2" thick insulation foam for floatation instead? This is water resistant, correct? Yep, or you could use Pool Noodles. Lot's of guys have.

6) Limber holes, done from front to rear to allow any water intrusion to drain to rear of boat or can i do it from outside towards center of hull? Does it really make a big difference? Not really. I would suggest you get some 1" pvc pipe, drill your holes to fit, and cut the pipe to fit and epoxy em in. You DON'T want any water to get to the wood you just drilled into.

I'm asking this all now because with any luck (and a great amound of help from God) I'll get everything torn out by this weekend and be able to start prep for new material by next weekend.

Keep the information coming...
Thanks to you all.

TB

This should get you started.
 

Tolyn

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Glad to see I'm not the only one who numbers things. heh As always, take my advice with a gallon of salt since I'm still very new to this also.

1) Should i, after doing demolition of old stringers, leave around 1/4" of the channel that the old stringers came out of to use as a guide for the new stringers? I was really tempted to do this because it makes things easier. Cleaning out the channels (I have not tried a chainsaw as one suggested) is a fair amount of work since you want/need everything out of there to get a clean bond I think. It seems about as much effort if not less to just grind them flat which also ensures that they wont peel up on you like a couple of mine are trying to do.

2) I'll be using poly resin for a majority of the rebuild (budget reasons). Once i have the stringers glassed and set in the hull, should i use mat and epoxy (for its bonding qualities) to attach stringers to the hull of can i still use the poly? I think you can use poly all the way around.

3) Bedding for the stringers??? What is that and what do i do? I assume something goes between the wood and the hull for "cushion"? Need some guidance with this please. I believe that describes the gap filler between the hull and the stringer so that you don't have the stringer placed directly against the hull which can create "hard spots". From my reading here some use a peanut butter type resin mix and some use the PL adhesive you can get from Lowes.

4) Does this sound correct...? cut and form pieces used for stringers and deck, then lay it all out. Coat with poly, then cloth, then wet the cloth making sure to get everything coated (including wood edges)... do this for top and bottom sides. Once everything is in place and deck is attached to stringers, switch to biax for final layer? Sounds about right to me. I am going to do as much of my epoxy coating outside of the boat to make life easier and then assemble and glass inside.

5) Foam floatation... with pour in foam holding water, can i use (should i use) pink 2" thick insulation foam for floatation instead? This is water resistant, correct? No help here I'm afraid. I'm not putting the foam back in after what I saw. I think any foam is going to eventually absorb water. If it was I'd probably use that pink stuff. It looked easy to work with.

6) Limber holes, done from front to rear to allow any water intrusion to drain to rear of boat or can i do it from outside towards center of hull? Does it really make a big difference? I am probably going to go a little overboard (pun intended) on limber holing (<=- new verb). For mine it will be one limber hole per boxed in area on whichever the lower side is.

I'm asking this all now because with any luck (and a great amound of help from God) I'll get everything torn out by this weekend and be able to start prep for new material by next weekend. Awesome! You'll be ahead of me then and I can start asking you questions :)

*edit* - Wahoo! I wasn't completely out in left field.
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Woodonglass and Tolyn, thank you both. I knew i needed to bed the stringers in something and avoid hardspots, just didn't know what so thanks for the information. As far as "limber-holing" (HAHAHA!!!), i think i'll be putting a hole in each of the compartments on the low side so it'll easily drain to the bilge.... and foam floaties? Really? Hmmmm... That sounds like it'll add a little extra fun into the project and give my friends and i something to talk about later... I can hear it now... "My boat rides on floaties!"...

I can honestly say my mind (or what's left) is alot more at ease...

TB.
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

One thing i did for get to ask...

If i replace the poured in foam with floaties or other floatation, what effect will that have on the structural integrity of the hull?
 

jonesg

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

One thing i did for get to ask...

If i replace the poured in foam with floaties or other floatation, what effect will that have on the structural integrity of the hull?

None, the shape of a tri hull provides rigidity along with the stringers which you will be doing better than a factory could afford to.

The foam in my boat is structural, I think theres misunderstanding about this ,
my fiberglass deck sits on the foam, there is no wood in my deck at all but the foam adds zilch to the structure concerning the hull.
If I removed the foam the boat's integrity wouldn't suffer but the deck would sag and crack without a wooden foundation.

A boston whaler would be a different kettle of fish altogether, not many are built that way as to rely almost exclusively on foam for their integrity.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Yep, What Jonesg^^^^ said. Your Stringers support your deck and when you tie the deck in with the glass she'll be structurally sound. The "NOODLES" or FOAM are for FLOTATION ONLY. If you have a Castrophic Event (GOD FORBID)the boat will not go to the bottom and you can recover her without any MAJOR efforts. Lake Patrol will like that and so will your Wallet.:eek:
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Alrighty then... insulation and noodles it is. I got a good bit of work done on the starboard side this weekend. All of the stringers needing replacement are out, and the hull is ground down smooth for installation of new stringers. I got a little peeved @ Crownline's bright idea to staple all of the stringers together before the glassed them. Made matters a little more difficult to get old wood out. Especially when the stringers running lengthwise are attached to the stringer separating the bilge from the underside of the cabin. I didn't want to take up any of the carpet in the cabin in order to get to anything so... Let's just say a 4.5 inch grinder with cutting wheels works great.

Funny (to me)... whouda thought a shovel, a sawzall (reciprocating saw), and a grinder would be ideal tools for boat "repair".

Now that the starboard side is about ready for new material, i finally pulled up the port side of the deck. Yep, it's worse than the starboard.

On a positive note, i checked the transom and motor mounts... They look ok to me but i'm no proffessional.

Hopefully i can get the port side gutted and prepped by weeks end and maybe start putting in new stringers within a couple of weeks.

Slow progress... but at least it's progress.
 
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Maddoxsdaddy

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Weather around here has not been the an i wish i had a garage. Anyhoo...
I've decided on going with 3:1 epoxy resin and hardener for toe work. After going over the costs on paper, what i would've spent on cloth for the underside of the deck and stringers if i had used poly resin would've been about the same as using the epoxy. Unfortunately, i have not come across any good deals like others on here getting free epoxy (wink, wink) but i was directed to a good site to use for getting what i need plus saving some coin in the process. If anyone has used them before its www.fgci.com.

Haven't ordered it yet but looks like about $350-400 for everything i need.

Hopefully the weather will cooperate his coming weekend so i cen make more slow progress...
 

Tolyn

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Ohh I how I hate those staples!!...let me count the ways.. I'm sure they led to the smoking demise of my 4.5" grinder (along with the soaked plywood cutting and fiberglass slicing..that probably didn't help much).

I did the same as you and laughed at how ridiculously useful a flat-headed shovel turned out to be be in "fixing" the boat and briefly debated on hauling out the chainsaw to speed things up but put it back after the look I got from my wife. Probably for the best that I don't learn how to do bottom repairs also (yet).

Weather cooperating is a two sided coin as I am finding out. Sure sure it's warmer to work on the boat but.. ack! my lawn is growing!! Boat-project - (Mower-maintenance + mowing+everything else) = project slowing down when I want it to be speeding up. Rather jealous of the guys posting absurd amounts of progress in just one week! Cheaters!! They have little boat gnomes helping them at night or something.

Respectfully,
-T
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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That's why i have yet to cut my weeds...errr...grass. Once i do, it will only grow faster.
I know i could use a few boat gnomes here as well. Things are just to darn busy between babies and 3 yr olds and wifey and work and Spring turkey season fast approaching... Gonna spend some friendly time on the money pit this weekend though.

I had a thought (WOW!)... I have a bunk trailer... yup, just 2 long boards holding up a heavy ***** boat.
What is the potential for damaging the hull by pulling out all of the stringers at one time and having it sit like that on the bunks without any internal support???
I'd rather get all the demo finished first before i start putting in new. Besides, i haven't even ordered the glass yet.

TB
 

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

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So here's a couple of pictures of some of my port side issues... Really trying to avoid pulling up the stringer between the cabin and the bilge because most of the interior was replaced before i got the boat last year... and i don't want to mess it up by having to pull out this stringer.
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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Re: 1995 Crownline 210 CCR Deck Repair

Sooo... quick question.
Can i use poly resin and cloth over top of the first coat of epoxy on top of the deck?
 

Woodonglass

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Nope! Poly will NOT adhere to Epoxy. Epoxy WILL adhere to poly but not the other way around. Sorry!!!!
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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Thanks.... Good to know before i made a potentially huge mess.
I am hopeful that i will be able to get bad stringers out of port side and get new stringers cut and fitted this weekend. Hopefully the weather will hold out...
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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YAY!!! Progress has finally been made. I'll put some pictures up soon. All demo is completed. The stringers for the port side have been cut, fitted, and pulled back out and coated with a coat of epoxy resin. I hope to get them put in tomorrow and set in place with some PL adhesive so i can then get started on the starboard side.

Side note... never leave PL adhesive tubes near your backyard fence where your beagle mix can dig under the fence, pull the bag containing the adhesice tubes through the hole, and proceed to eat half a tube of the mess. She spent all night last night puking all over the house. hopefully, she isn't clogged up.

The upholstery is coming along nice as well. I've iunfortunately had to rebuild the entire port side before being able to put on new vinyl. Heck... gonna be almost a new boat by the time i'm finished.
 

LippCJ7

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Dude Jay is kicking your arse in the documentation portion of this build!!:D
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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What do ya want me to do... document or build???? LMBO!!!:D

I've been so daggon busy, i barely have time to put anything on here.

Today's work included fitting port side stringers back in place with PL adhesive. Got my limber holes put in with 1" pvc pipe to. I'm going back in this week to fillet with epoxy and tab them in place with cloth... Gotta give that PL time to cure properly.
In the mean time, the starboard side stringers are cut and fitted as well. I'll be coating them with epoxy in a couple of days so i can get them put in next weekend.

Note to anyone else going through a similar process with your boats... It's so much easier cutting and fitting stringers when you use something to make a template. Once the template is made, simply cut the new stringers to match. Wish i had done that on Thursday when i did the port side.... Lesson learned.

I need to be taking more pictures of the build for Lipp...LOL!

Til next time...

TB
 

Woodonglass

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Man, No pics??? Whats up with DAT???? I'm gunna complain to the Mod's This project is NOT going the way WE like em to here on iBoats. SOMETHING HAS to be done about this!!!!!
 

Maddoxsdaddy

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Ok, Ok, OK.... I promise i'll get some pics put up this week. Been concentrating on working rather than picture taking LOL!

Another note to self... use gloves when working with PL adhesive. I have 2 fingers that are peeling this morning. Nice.
 

LippCJ7

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better peeling fingers then two fingers now as one since they are glued together I always say!! LOL!
 
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