1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Today was brought to us by the letter D and the letter F.

I ripped long lengths of Douglas fir to 1 1/2" X 1 1/2", and rounded them over with the router and a 3/8" radius bit.

Then, after cutting them to the proper dimensions (one pair is 141" long, and has a 15 degree bevel on one end, and the other pair is 102 1/2" long), I gave them all a good drink of epoxy resin on all sides and especially the end grain.

Tomorrow, I'm going to visit an engine and see if I want to file for adoption. It looks cute enough in the pictures, but who knows what it looks like up close. Maybe it smells funny. Or says "Made In China" on the bottom. You can't just rush into these things ya know.

Update: Found some of the stringer fabrication and epoxying on my security camera

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Oh, and I burned up my grinder today too. :facepalm: I wasn't using it heavy either, just taking the sharp edges off the stringers. Must be it was just a hair's breadth from failing from the previous beatings it had.

Maybe I'll try the cheap Harbor Freight model with the warranty next instead of Skil. I liked it though.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

The engine thing didn't pan out. Seller says he took a deposit from someone else. Said I could still come take a look in case the guy never coughs up the rest of the money. Nah, that's OK. Told him he could call me if the deposit dude craps out and we'd talk then.

The good news for the day is that the 2x2 stringers/hull-stiffeners are PL'ed in and curing. I started by preparing a big handful of 1/8" thick spacers. Luckily I had a lot of 1/8" strips after ripping the stringers.

I then laid the stringers where they belonged and double checked measurements and positions, marking the hull with Sharpie. I cut lengths of 3/4" x 3/4" that would be used to brace between each pair of stringers while the PL cures to prevent them from moving.

Moved the stringers out of the way and wiped down the hull with acetone where each stringer will be glued. I applied a stout zig-zag bead of PL to the bottom of each stringer (skipping where the spacers go), then flipped them over and adjusted their position. I then laid concrete blocks on top of them all at various places along the length to hold them in position while they cure.

72 hours from now, we'll see what it all looks like and get ready to fillet.

No pictures today because, frankly, I was hustling like crazy to get all the PL applied and the stringers flipped before they started to skin over.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Then, after cutting them to the proper dimensions (one pair is 141" long, and has a 15 degree bevel on one end, and the other pair is 102 1/2" long), I gave them all a good drink of epoxy resin on all sides and especially the end grain.

When you say 15 degree on one end, do you mean down the whole length on one side? for just the 141" long pair?

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

When you say 15 degree on one end, do you mean down the whole length on one side? for just the 141" long pair?

The pair of stringers that butt up against the transom were beveled to match (kind of) the transom angle. If I was being a real Norm Abrahm, it'd have been a compound angle (15 degree transome + 23 degree(?) deadrise. All in all, it's close enough for government work.

The other two are only under the tank and stop at the bilge.

Now the big stringers that run the length of the craft will need to be beveled along the bottom edge to match the deadrise at every point along their length, which changes from stern to bow. That will be fun.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I used to buy the HF grinders but then I bought this one, and it's served me very well. Still going strong after multiple glass grindings...

Got it on sale @ Lowe's for $45 bucks.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

The pair of stringers that butt up against the transom were beveled to match (kind of) the transom angle. If I was being a real Norm Abrahm, it'd have been a compound angle (15 degree transome + 23 degree(?) deadrise. All in all, it's close enough for government work.

The other two are only under the tank and stop at the bilge.

Now the big stringers that run the length of the craft will need to be beveled along the bottom edge to match the deadrise at every point along their length, which changes from stern to bow. That will be fun.

Yeah that is the part I am worried about I don't know if I'm that mechanically inclined to do that part But as T748 I will be copying you all along our boats are exactly the same other than the names

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I used to buy the HF grinders but then I bought this one, and it's served me very well. Still going strong after multiple glass grindings...

Got it on sale @ Lowe's for $45 bucks.

The one I burned up was:



and was $29, because I'm a cheap sonofagun

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Here is mine, and I am about to put some miles on it. It is a Makita



I had removed the guard but i will be putting it back when I start with the cutting disks

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Today was brought to us by the letter D and the letter F.

I ripped long lengths of Douglas fir to 1 1/2" X 1 1/2", and rounded them over with the router and a 3/8" radius bit.

Then, after cutting them to the proper dimensions (one pair is 141" long, and has a 15 degree bevel on one end, and the other pair is 102 1/2" long), I gave them all a good drink of epoxy resin on all sides and especially the end grain.

Tomorrow, I'm going to visit an engine and see if I want to file for adoption. It looks cute enough in the pictures, but who knows what it looks like up close. Maybe it smells funny. Or says "Made In China" on the bottom. You can't just rush into these things ya know.

Update: Found some of the stringer fabrication and epoxying on my security camera

Are you using your BBQ as a saw horse?:lol:

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Are you using your BBQ as a saw horse?:lol:

Eagle eye! The side shelf was exactly the right height to support the material as it came off the tablesaw.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

A thought occurred to me today -- I have reached that critical point in my project, as of yesterday, when no more parts are coming out of my boat, and instead, new parts are going in!

It's all downhill from here, er ... water under the bridge, um ... er ... whatever floats my boat

 

[zool]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

A thought occurred to me today -- I have reached that critical point in my project, as of yesterday, when no more parts are coming out of my boat, and instead, new parts are going in!

It's all downhill from here, er ... water under the bridge, um ... er ... whatever floats my boat

Congrats, I cant wait to get to that point, tired of taking things apart....but then again, putting things back together can be more of a pain....then its gotts work right too

Theres alot of little things on these bigger boats....

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Today's excitement involved gwpjr (that's him) and I placing the big ol' tank onto the new stringers.

Now we have a reference point to plot out the new main stringers along each side of the tank. The tank will get removed again after the stringers are glued in, before I fillet all of them and start wrapping things.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Looking good GWPSR I'm actually thinking if i can't figure a way to get my tank out I am going to cut it and remove it That tank has no structural value to the boat does it? I want to make my boat as light as possible going forward. Probably put a tank half the size in there

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Looking good GWPSR I'm actually thinking if i can't figure a way to get my tank out I am going to cut it and remove it That tank has no structural value to the boat does it? I want to make my boat as light as possible going forward. Probably put a tank half the size in there

The combination of the tank (and its internal ribs and such), the stringers and the members across the top of the tank form a rigid section of hull that work together to become structural. Without the tank there, I'd think you'd need to replace empty space with full height stringers instead.

I did give that some thought. Maybe a pair of smaller tanks, one on each side over the strakes, but then I'd have to engineer a transfer system to keep the tanks evenly filled to maintain even ballast. Once I tested my tank, and found it was airtight, I decided just to keep it. After all to put $20 worth of gas into a 40 gallon tank or a 125 gallon tank costs the same.

The empty aluminum tank is lighter than you might think. It's big, but maybe 70 pounds total? Hard to say as I've only picked up one end at a time, but it's not bad. And you do benefit from some weight low in the boat for stability. The flybridge Victorias were nicknamed Tippy Vickys.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

So, after work today, gwpjr and I hit Lowes for some lumber -- 2 12' 2x8's.

A pass through the table saw to put a 17 degree bevel on one edge:

Then a test fit to verify all was well:

cut transom end at 15 degrees and rounded corner off for the fillet. Then, we used the air stapler to attach thin strips of wood as bracing:

And cross-bracing:

Note the pieces of 3/4" wood (grey) as temporary spacers between tank and stringer.

When it comes time to glue them in, we'll pick up the whole assembly and shift it to one side while I lay down a couple of beads of PL, then drop it back in place.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

The combination of the tank (and its internal ribs and such), the stringers and the members across the top of the tank form a rigid section of hull that work together to become structural. Without the tank there, I'd think you'd need to replace empty space with full height stringers instead.

I did give that some thought. Maybe a pair of smaller tanks, one on each side over the strakes, but then I'd have to engineer a transfer system to keep the tanks evenly filled to maintain even ballast. Once I tested my tank, and found it was airtight, I decided just to keep it. After all to put $20 worth of gas into a 40 gallon tank or a 125 gallon tank costs the same.

The empty aluminum tank is lighter than you might think. It's big, but maybe 70 pounds total? Hard to say as I've only picked up one end at a time, but it's not bad. And you do benefit from some weight low in the boat for stability. The flybridge Victorias were nicknamed Tippy Vickys.

Thank you I will use my tank hopefully it is air tight. Just keep the pictures and measurements coming
the wood under the tank are those 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 stringers if I remember right they are 102" long

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Thank you I will use my tank hopefully it is air tight. Just keep the pictures and measurements coming
the wood under the tank are those 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 stringers if I remember right they are 102" long

The tank is 102.5" so I made the center two stringers that length. The outer two 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 stringers extend to the transom (The motor mounts will straddle them later) and those are 141". The 2x8 stringers are the same length, and all 6 terminate at the bulkhead that frames the fore side of the tank.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

GWPSR I will be following you very closely. What do you think about Seacast for the stringers?