1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I've seen a couple of rebuilds on iBoats that have used it, and while it sounds attractive because of the completely non-rotting nature, the process of building suitable forms involves materials you'll use once and toss, and the Seacast is very spendy.

I saw another guy use all composite material in the same way you'd use plywood to make stringers, then build an aluminum frame above them for the remaining structure. Elegant and probably rock solid, but way more money and time than the good old-fashioned methods.

Those 2 2x8x12's I used were $11 each. Hard to compare that to $220 for a 5-gal pail of Seacast. (And all the plywood to use as a form)

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Just finished reading a thread
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restor...365820-13.html

He used foam and glassed then removed the foam and had fiberglassed forms cut them and used minimal bracing but it looked like alot of work

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Today I made a cardboard template for the bulkhead just forward of the fuel tank, cut it out of 3/4 ply, and gave it a bath in epoxy, all before lighting the grill for dinner.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Hey GWP why is one side the left side smaller/shorter then the right side? How did you go about making your template?

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

It seems the glass on the inside of the hull on top of the chine on the port side is built up higher in that spot. The template was scribed right off the hull on the bottom, and using the stringers as the reference for the top. Stringers are identical in height.

I need to re-level the whole boat and then doublecheck the bulkhead before gluing it to make sure we're not off somewhere.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Just Checking it seemed really off, When you started the process of removing your motor where did you start? Did you take the out drive off first? This is my first time doing this. I got my pressure washer running today so I can clean off the outdrive and my hull. I want to get the Motor out

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

It seems the glass on the inside of the hull on top of the chine on the port side is built up higher in that spot. The template was scribed right off the hull on the bottom, and using the stringers as the reference for the top. Stringers are identical in height.

Also GWPSR could you show/tell me the process how you scribed the template? I know for the transom you did it on the outside and reduced it by 1/2" all around. I would really appreciate it. Or I could send you some money and just have you mail me all of your templates:lol: Thank you

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Just Checking it seemed really off, When you started the process of removing your motor where did you start? Did you take the out drive off first? This is my first time doing this. I got my pressure washer running today so I can clean off the outdrive and my hull. I want to get the Motor out

I pulled the outdrive first as I had originally hoped to yank the engine and flywheel cover in one piece. As it turned out, I needed to separate them and pull the engine then work on the flywheel cover later due to frozen bolts and stiff seals.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Also GWPSR could you show/tell me the process how you scribed the template? I know for the transom you did it on the outside and reduced it by 1/2" all around. I would really appreciate it. Or I could send you some money and just have you mail me all of your templates:lol: Thank you

I actually used the transom template, copied the bottom edge and hull dimensions to another big piece of cardboard, so that I had the rough outline of the bottom, and enough extra in height to be able to trim the bottom.

Then you place the template into position, and use a pair of dividers (AKA a compass) set to be as wide as the biggest gap plus some. You then draw the dividers across the hull, point riding the contour of the hull, and the pencil on the cardboard. Maybe you've seen Norm Abrahm do this on Yankee Workshop or This Old House to scribe trim. The result is a mirror of the topography of the internal surface, including every wart and bump. I'll have to see if YouTube has anything to offer as an illustration. Try this: BUILDING SKILLS: How to Scribe Trim to Fit Against a Wall - YouTube

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

It was extremely warm today (91), but with a big fan blowing right on us in the boat, not so bad.

Used up a gallon of epoxy resin and about 15-20 ounces of milled fibers (West 403) today to do 75 linear feet of fillet along both sides of the longer (12') 2x2 stringers, along one side of the shorter (8') 2x2's, and a little of one side of one of the 2x8 stringers.

We started the day keeping things pretty clean, but as it got hotter, and the thrill of filleting wore off some, we stopped being quite so tidy, and there are a bunch of boogers I'll have to grind off before I can wrap them in cloth.

I'm making fillets of about 1" radius, like I did on the transom. It makes for a really smooth transition between vertical and horizontal. They're easy to strike with a tool like this:

Which was hacked out of a piece of scrap 2 1/8" PVC. gwpjr used an old discarded caulk tube.

At the rate filleting is using up resin, I'm going to need to make another order from US Composites soon.

And, I had to make a trip to West Marine today to pick up more 403 milled fibers. I tried using the stuff I ordered from Jamestown and it's not the same thing at all. It makes hairy PB just fine, but doesn't spread nice like the West fibers. It'd be great for bedding however, so I'll use it up for that, and for filling holes.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

GWPSR what did you use to glue the wood to the hull?

When it comes time to glue them in, we'll pick up the whole assembly and shift it to one side while I lay down a couple of beads of PL

I forgot what Is PL?

Did you not put a drain through the bulkhead? Or does it need it? Nd how did you attach the bulkhead to the stringers also with PL?

By the way You guys are awesome to give such detailed info I will be using your thread as my instruction booklet 27' Bayliner Victoria boat building 101. Thank You Thank you. That is one thing my wife loves about me is that I actually read the directions when I am putting something together.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I forgot what Is PL?

This...
Loctite PL Premium Polyurethane Construction Adhesive from Loctite Adhesives

 

[Alwhite00]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Looking great so-far - Thanks for posting all of the pics.

LK

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Did you not put a drain through the bulkhead? Or does it need it?

In the original construction, the sump area, between this bulkhead and another one 18" farther forward, was a sealed section with its own pump in it. You really don't want it to be connected to the bilge full time so that spilled fuel or fumes can't flow forward into a space connected to the cabin. I have been contemplating putting in a piece of PVC through the bulkhead and putting a bilge plug in it, so that I can open it when I want to to flush 'yuck' back out of the sump into the bilge. I haven't settled on whether this boat will have an active sump going forward anyway. I really didn't like the idea of draining the shower under floor, and relying on a manually activated pump to empty it.

And how did you attach the bulkhead to the stringers also with PL?

Yup. There are a pair of deck screws through the bulkhead into each stringer to hold it til the filleting and tabbing is done. I'll take them out then, and either fill the holes or replace them with stainless screws before I cover that area with glass.

By the way You guys are awesome to give such detailed info I will be using your thread as my instruction booklet 27' Bayliner Victoria boat building 101. Thank You Thank you. That is one thing my wife loves about me is that I actually read the directions when I am putting something together.

Thank you. You're welcome. I'm merely trying to emulate (to a limited extent) the video and photo documentaries of others before me. I'm no TV star like Frisco Jay, but I'll try my hand at some video later.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

GWPSR I think my outdrive is the Volvo 290 DP. What outdrive was on yours?

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

GWPSR I think my outdrive is the Volvo 290 DP. What outdrive was on yours?

AQ280 on mine. No DP.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Which drive is better to have? what is the difference?

 

[zool]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Which drive is better to have? what is the difference?

it looks like you have one of the DP series drives, if you have the hydraulic cylinders, then maybe a dp-c, if just the older trim system, then one of the earlier dp drives. The 290dp has trim/tilt cylinders with sqaure ends for the cotter pin rod, (early model) or round ends for the later 290 models.

If you look in the engine bay at the back of the transom shield, there is a plate there with the model numbers on it...

An aq290 is grey in color, with grey 290 trim/tilt stickers, yours says dp trim, so my bet is an earlier dp series drive...The manual I gave covers all of them, it also has the removal procedure, follow it closely when removing the leg.

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Thanks again Zool

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Which drive is better to have? what is the difference?

Yours. You have a duo-prop rather than a single screw. See this page for all the reasons why I'm envious.