1981 15' SeaSquirt Project

Woodonglass

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Re: 1981 15' SeaSquirt Project

Your last pic appears to show blisters. You should sand those down to bare glass. Gouges and Scratches can be filled with 3M Premium Marine Filler or you can make your own from Poly resin and Q-Cells or Epoxy and Microballons. If you're going to paint I'd recommend the epoxy and microballons. Give you a lot more working time. www.uscomposites.com is a great place to order from. The white stuff I'm seeing appears to be gelcoat. It does not have to be sanded completely off. The darker color appears to be almost gone so you're good on that. Do you final sanding with 180 grit after everyting is all filled in. Afer the sanding, wash with TSP let her dry overnight and then wipe her down with Acetone. You're now ready for the first coat of primer.
 

motochris

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Re: 1981 15' SeaSquirt Project

Well, I have just come up with a new problem. The panel that was covering the inner side of the transom is trashed. Its not usable and literally fell apart with all the cracks that were in it. Any idea how I can rebuild a new panel to cover the inner side of the transom and tie that into the floor and sides? can I buy 1/8" sheet of fiberglass to glue on to the transom and work with that? Could I layup several thick layers of fiberglass onto the actual transom? and tie that all in together? Anyone run into anything like this?

Thanks,
Chris
 

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It's been a long week, are you going to rebuild the transom with plywood or a pourable manmade product like seacast?
 

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Well, I have just come up with a new problem. The panel that was covering the inner side of the transom is trashed. Its not usable and literally fell apart with all the cracks that were in it. Any idea how I can rebuild a new panel to cover the inner side of the transom and tie that into the floor and sides? can I buy 1/8" sheet of fiberglass to glue on to the transom and work with that? Could I layup several thick layers of fiberglass onto the actual transom? and tie that all in together? Anyone run into anything like this? Thanks, Chris

Your talking about the INNER skin of fiberglass on the cockpit side of the transom. Correct? That's what is crumbling, not the OUTER skin of fiferglass on the motor side.

I think you may misunderstand the westsystem description. This will all be dealt with in the same fashion as tabbing the hull sides & deck back together. Go back up & click WOG's signature link for fabricating decks, stringers & transoms (in that thread, post #622) it has a good drawing of the multiple layers of glass & plywood.

After bonding 2 sheets of 3/4" ply (exterior grade, marine, MDO, or arroco [sp?]) {This gives you the correct thickness of wood, correct? 1.5" +/-, based on the original, if not then the transom cap may not fit}, together with TiteBond III, cutting it to shape & to fit the transom area, applying a layer of resin & CSM, to all faces & surfaces of the wood transom. This 'glassed wood lamination is bonded to the inside face of the exterior transom skin, using a wide array of clamps & possibly fasteners. They are currently regularly called WOG's transom clamps, but he has mentioned that it is another iBoaters clamp. GT1M's got a pretty good photo set showing his use of them & possibly how he made them. Fairly simple to make. WOG does have them shown in a drawing but I don't have it at work. Adhering the wood transom onto the fiberglass is done w/ either PB or PL depending on your preference. Ask 2 people, you'll get 2 different answers. WOG prefers PB as I remember. Once the plywood transom is adhered, the gap along the edges of the transom is filled w/ PB to ensure no voids in the structure. Overfill the joint & run a serving spoon along the joint to create a cove, this will allow a smooth transition between the 2 adjoining surfaces (transom to hull bottom & sides, or deck to hull sides & transom) for the fiberglass that will be soon be applied.

EDIT: Changed above a bit, typo @outer vs inner transom skin:facepalm: sorry if there was any confusion. Re-read it before post & again after, made sense then, but needed to be changed

Once the 'glassed wooden transom is installed & tabbing is run around the edges covering the PB cove, alternating layers of CSM & 1708 fiberglass are laid up in increasingly large pieces, overlapping further onto the adjoining surfaces.

This is were your 'unsinkable' boat differs from some (most?). You have now created the inner skin you were asking about buying or fabricating. At this point most O/B runabouts have a cap that is actually the inner clamping surface for the motor. My wood lamination, tabbing, and CSM & 1708 layups will all be hidden from view once I put the cap back on. Yours will be exposed, so extra care should be taken during prep & layup to minimize extra work to smooth it out after it cures.

It may also mean you will need to do the final layer of resin & glass w/ WAXED instead of UNWAXED resin. All work up to this point is done w/ unwaxed resin. It allows additional layups w/ out having to scuff the surface of the last layer to remove the amine blush. I said may because I'm not clear on how you plan to finish the newly added glass that won't match the existing gelcoat. I am guessing 1 of the many suggested paints, and that you'll fully paint the boat once it's put back together and reconstruction is finished. Unwaxed resin can be used (I will) as the final coat of resin, but it takes quite a while longer to fully cure. Using waxed resin speeds curing by inhibiting contact w/ the air (because it has the added wax component). You can actually buy the raw wax from most fiberglass suppliers & make your own waxed resin on an as needed basis, that way you only have to buy unwaxed rather then 2 types. But it will also then require a thorough sanding & wipe down during paint prep to remove the amine blush and give the paint some tooth to grab.

Does all that make sense?

If I have made any errors in the above, hopefully someone will chime in soon, and I hope they were errors by omission, rather then factual. But it's tricky these days. Some days better then others....

Hopefully it helps,
 
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I was going to use plywood. was thinking 2 - 3/4" pieces glued together as I heard most PT ply is not kiln dry and will warp? At Lowes a sheet of 3/4" PT ply is only 33 bucks but like I said I heard that may not be the best solution?

Wet (weight) & warp are just 2 more reasons not to use PT ply, the reactivity of the PT chemicals w/ the aluminum hull is the #1 reason not to use it.

Look for: arauco plywood. Some Lowe's carry it, but maybe not your local store. Mine doesn't but I can order it from the help desk. Same w/ HD.

It's ACX exterior grade ply & is supposed to be easy to work with.
 

motochris

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Re: 1981 15' SeaSquirt Project

All,

So I will be starting a new thread called Starcraft restore project, and retiring this one. I made quite a bit of progress sanding and grinding the hell of this boat. I then put my materials list together and the list was close to $800! I still don't have a motor. I thought a lot about it and I decided I should look at alternatives, if I want to get on the water sooner rather then later.

Looking at craigs I found an add where a guy was open to work a deal and had a few boats. One of which was a Starcraft, that needs work but has a motor that runs great. So I offered him my "boat project" (good trailer with some fiberglass :) )and $400 for his Starcraft with Johnson 60 on it. He took it.

Look for the new thread soon, My son and I have already started working on it and I will post some pics.

Hull is in great shape, transom is good, but needs floor and seats. The hull and top need painting but I may put that off as it is getting warmer out and it may not be pretty but it will work. Currently the floor is down to aluminum, and I just riveted the metal supports back in place. Will be putting in new plywood, and sealing it and adding that outdoor carpet we just got from HD.

I can't tell what model or year it is (16-17' runabout), no numbers on the boat, and the motor is a 1986 Johnson 60 VRO. Currently the oil injection pump and oil tank are all still there but after doing research I think I am going to just disable the VRO and run premix.

Anyway...I will post all this on the new thread.

Cheers and thanks for helping me tear into the SeaSquirt... Its a cool boat, but we would rather be fishing!
 

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Congrats, and look forward to seeing your SC. There's a whole bunch of SC guys around. They'll treat you right.

Good luck w/ the new project!

EDIT:See I told ya..... There's one of them already, posting a victory cheer while I was posting well wishes.....
 
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ezmobee

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ha HA!!!!!!! We snagged another one!!!!!!!! Take that you itchy bastards :p
 

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Chief Kool-Aid Dispenser said:
ha HA!!!!!!! We snagged another one!!!!!!!! Take that you itchy bastards

Yeah, yeah, yeah... but I think you got a nice, little assist from the glassers on this one.... (see below quote from earlier post on this thread).....

.... If you want to get on the water cheaply and quickly, this is definitely not the boat for you. If you want to do a project with your son, there are cheap hulls that are a dime a dozen that would probably be easier to restore. Heck, the metal boats are VERY popular on this site, because they are tough, easy to restore and far less dangerous in terms of fumes, dust, etc... If you really want your son involved, I would recommend finding a nice tinny with an outboard... I fear that the hard core fiberglass grinding and fumes might be a bit much for a 10 year old to really get involved with...

All kidding aside... Eminently Wise choice, Motochris... and hell of a trade!!! You will find a lot of support from the Starcraft group and there are literally hundreds of restore threads on this site for you to learn from and take ideas from.... In short, I think you and your son are going are going to have a better experience not fighting battles with that hull type ... and I look forward to following along your new thread...
 

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Re: 1981 15' SeaSquirt Project

I just got done building the same boat u are doing. Mine was a little older 1975. I would stay away from adding any wood to the boat and Marine Plywood is not the same thing as PT that home depot sells. I also had to replace part of the floor and the transom along with a full rebuild. Not sure if you can find a good fiberglass shop being so far inland but look at this company's website. http://www.fiberglassservices.com/catalog.htm.
It will give you some ideas for building materials. I did my transom out of a product called 6011 same as seacast, It took seven gallons to do it. As for filling holes in fiberglass you can mix resin with microballons or use a product called #14 ultra filler it's bondo for fiberglass and works great. Good luck
 

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