1980 Starcraft SS160 Restoration

Watermann

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Hey that's great to hear everything went off as planned especially with the motor. It's awesome to see another sweet old SC back on the water again, good job! :encouragement:
 

baldwibr

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Thanks guys!! The hardest part is seeing all the other things that could be fixed/replaced and telling myself "maybe next year..."
 

M2HB

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It looks like you will have a great summer with it. Enjoy it.

I wish I was able to put my 18' SS back in the water.
 

Decker83

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Congrats on getting her back in the water.. At least while your thinking about stuff you need to do, you can be out enjoying yourself on the water..
Now go catch some fish..:D
 

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Enjoy your time on the water and make notes on what you want different. Way to get it done before summer or spring for that matter hit. I can’t believe the ice storm we just got! :eek::facepalm:
 

baldwibr

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Well, I replaced the thermostat in the boat only to find there wasn't even one in there!! After I put the new one in, I put it on the muffs and it still wasn't getting up to temp. Then I busted out the parts guide and discovered a grommet that sits on top of the thermostat to keep it in place. :facepalm: But once installed, the temp finally gets up to the 143 degrees it should.

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The first time I had it out, it ran absolutely beautifully! But when I took the boys out yesterday, it was hard to start and didn't run that well. I ran it for about an hour mostly at WOT. It almost sounds similar to the issues that pntbtrjllytme has been having with his. I need to see if I have enough time to get it on the muffs and diagnose before the weekend.
 

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pntbtrjllytme

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As far as I can tell on mine I wasnt getting good spark because 2 out of the 3 coil packs I tested were bad (and who knows what else). I pulled my plugs and they were burnt and soaked and they are quite new. Hope you get yours fixed up! I know first hand how frustrating it is to put so much work into something just for something else to fall apart on you.
 

baldwibr

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My motor had a CDI type ignition (Chrysler Magnapower) that went bad when the coil shorted out. I converted it to an automotive ignition coil since it was way cheaper than getting original replacement parts, and it's ran great since. I think the carbs just need the jet ports cleaned.
 

pntbtrjllytme

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Mine has the same but as far as price they are identical. Do you know of any other benefit of having the newer style? Other than them just being newer =) I havent ordered mine just yet, still doing a bit of research and shopping before I pull the trigger. And I did a full rebuild on my carbs if you havent done that I would suggest that as its fairly simple to do (getting them off was the hard part) and quite cheap.
 

baldwibr

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For me, the main benefit was cost, but the new coil is a lot more common part than the old one. My old Chrysler (1969 70HP) is very hard to find parts, and quite expensive. So if it shorts out again, it's just a quick trip to the autoparts store for a new one. You will need to add a condenser too and I also had to change my spark plug style from the surface gap to the standard type to compensate for the lower voltage spark.

I don't think my carbs need to be rebuilt, it's just the cork bowl seals are falling apart and I think it's causing sediment in the bowls. $2 part vs buying 3 kits at $35 a pop. When diagnosing my motor problems, I always start testing with my voltmeter, then a good cleaning, then the cheap parts, and if none of those fix it, then get the expensive items.
 

baldwibr

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So good news, bad news. I tore apart the carbs and gave them a good clean and put the new bowl gaskets on. Then I got the boat out again and did some fishing Saturday evening. Still running rough like it was before, and actually quit about 10 mins out (not fun in 20mph wind and no boats in sight). Thankfully I had my tools and carefully leaned over the boat and opened up the distributors and used cardboard to clean the points. Then it fired up and went back near the dock.

Since my brand new points are getting dirty, I'm thinking there's too much resistance somewhere. I bought a new-old-stock rectifier off eBay just in case. I'm also going to replace the condenser since it's a $5 part. I also bought new spark plug wires since the old ones look to be worn.

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To add insult to injury, I wound up breaking the cap by tightening the screws that draw the top cap to the bottom cap too much and broke the plastic.

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Lastly, I hooked the train up to make sure it went together well and made sure I was within legal specs. I can't wait for this summer!! ...at least once the boat motor is running...
 

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Watermann

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Those distributor motors are a bear to work on and get things right, the old Mercs had a dizzy too.

None of that train stuff here in WA State, commercial rigs can haul doubles but that's it.
 

baldwibr

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Well, I took another stab at putting the distributor back together yesterday and was able to figure out a way to get the new wires with the solid core to work. Sorry, forgot pictures. I tried to mess with the timing a bit but it was getting dark.

So I spent the evening adjusting the snaps on the boat so the bimini will fit on there properly. I can tell it came from a different model boat since the side widows were a little long, but overall it fit really nicely. I'll be finishing that up today along with redoing the snaps on the bow cover.

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baldwibr

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Well, I've still been tinkering with the boat since it's still just really bogged down. I've cleaned the carbs twice now very very thoroughly and made sure the float needle is not sticking.

I discovered the problem to be with the bottom (3rd) cyclinder. The spark plug was not very carboned and was wet. So I swapped the spark plugs and tested the spark and that is not the issue. I also checked suction on the bottom carb and it's got suction so the reed valves seem to be fine and look good from visual inspection.

I suspect the float on the bottom carb might be set too high and it's flooding the bottom cylinder with fuel, so much so that it doesn't spark- or at least it doesn't spark well. I've made the adjustment and just waiting to test it on the lake.

Other than that, I installed the glovebox. I also finished up buying a few things to make me fully legal in Michigan (Type IV PFD and flares).

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Got my oldest to help me scrub off all the mildew from the inside of the boat to make it more appealing for my wife to be in there.



Took the wife on a date night along the river. The plan was to boat 12 miles into town, moore along the seawall and walk to get some dinner. Then boat 12 miles back. However, with the motor issue, it didn't really go that fast and was going through fuel pretty quickly so we decided to turn back around mile 10- plus it was later than we anticipated. She really enjoyed riding in the boat though, so I think it's something we'll do more often in the future.

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Looking forward to figuring out this motor deal so we can just enjoy rides with a little more confidence and less fuel consumption. :)
 

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Watermann

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That is great and the smiles say it all!

Oh yeah the cruise loving of my admiral is why I ended up with 2 SC boats, a straight up cruiser for just the two of us and now the SS for fishing after selling my SN. So far our longest cruise is 110 miles round trip. Before with my little SN we'd go out and she wanted to cruise after getting bored with fishing but we were limited by the small size, small motor, speed and no private space on board with a head for her.
 

M2HB

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Nice progress.

It looks like it may be time for electronic ignition if it is available for that engine.
 

nrf414

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That sounds like a blast!! Keep after it man you will get it. I chased carb issues last year and it turned to be a mix of carb issues and timing. Good luck!
 

baldwibr

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Yeah, I need to check the timing. I'm sure this it part of the issue. I have a new rectifier that I need to install. I'm getting a high voltage when opening up the throttle so I think the rectifier will help with that. I don't see a voltage regulator on my motor and I doubt it's built into my rectifier.

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