1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

I'm with you on the soda blasting idea, jasoutside. It would be a good idea to get that part of the resto finished quickly and without the mess..then on to the real fun. BTW: we get down your way quite often as our first daughter lives in Coleman. A four hour round trip to visit with her and the grandchildren but it's a nice, scenic, drive.

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

The stuff was called "Shure Strip" I believe... I will check when I get home... but I believe that was the stuff. Really was easy... The Jupiter I didn't do this way and it was a royal pain... The Jet was absolute cake.

J.

 

[barato2]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

progress is lookin good. just think of 1) all the metal stuff that isn't still down in your bilge reacting with the aluminum; and 2) how glad you are that you're not relying on what you found under the floor to keep ya afloat:clap2:

 

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

Thanks, InMotion, for the name of the stripper, I'll check that out....ah, maybe I'd better say that a different way in case the Admiral peeks in later....

barato2, the Admiral and I were saying those very things when we saw the condition of the water soaked foam and the different metal pieces under the decking. There are two screws stuck to the bottom starboard side of the transom vertical support (by the bilge) that I need to relocate from the hull to the trash bag but so far the inner hull looks real good.

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[barato2]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

just remember that strippers like the hot limelight.

putting it another way, this is a chem reaction and will happen a LOT faster and with more "oomph" if you add some heat to the process, like a 500w halogen light aimed at the area being stripped. piant the stuff on, cover with plastic, turn on the light and come back later.

it's kind of funny: seems that nearly everyone who pulls the floor is horrified by what they found under it. almost makes an argument for pulling the floors even if one weren't going to replace them.

 

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

After it stopped raining, I went out to the boat today and removed the two aluminum trim pieces from the port and starboard "wood dash" items. Then I removed the port side "dash"; I could not believe all the screws Starcraft used to hold that one part in place. Next, the port topside window screws were removed. After that, I unscrewed/unbolted (some of each) the metal port side metal frame from the boat as one unit. This allowed me to lift the port side top inner side trim from the boat as the rivets had been drilled out earlier. Lifted the unit up and rested it on the port side with an old T-shirt under the glass. Removed the window unit and then drilled out the rivets holding the front plywood and vinyl. The plywood decking under this port side area was the worse so far, almost completely rottd away, and I'm glad the starboard side is more intact as that will have to provide the needed replacement pattern; good thing I was a professional draftsman/mechanical designer in my earlier life. Took three photos and the had to stop as the rain started up again. Didn't really matter though, with the high humidity today I was already soaked.

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

You make a very good point, barato2. This is our first boat of this type and, in truth, I never gave it much thought as to what was under the decking. Figured it was floatation foam but that was about it. Removing and replacement of decking can alert an owner to potential problems that can be fixed. The Admiral and I will feel MUCH safer with new floatation foam (thinking lots of noodles) under the new deck.

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[barato2]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

some pretty good progress there for having to dodge rain storms. that avocado paint looks nice up in the areas where it hasn't been sun faded.....almost looks identical to the Glasurit "taigagrun" color VW used on Westfalias in the late 70s

 

[Yeonik]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

it's kind of funny: seems that nearly everyone who pulls the floor is horrified by what they found under it. almost makes an argument for pulling the floors even if one weren't going to replace them.

Oddly enough, mine was clean. I mean... nothing out of place. I think I found a sinker in there. Oh, and like 3-4 battery caps.

Piper, if needed, I've got my old floor sitting at my buddy's house (and my new floor at mine). If things don't go right (or if you just think it'd be easier) shoot me a PM and we can get together so you can make templates from em.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

Thanks, InMotion, for the name of the stripper, I'll check that out....ah, maybe I'd better say that a different way in case the Admiral peeks in later....

barato2, the Admiral and I were saying those very things when we saw the condition of the water soaked foam and the different metal pieces under the decking. There are two screws stuck to the bottom starboard side of the transom vertical support (by the bilge) that I need to relocate from the hull to the trash bag but so far the inner hull looks real good.

Safe boating,

Joe

LOL.... it's actually called Safe Strip.... smallish container. 2 or 3 should do the whole hull.

Jim

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

One note about the noodles that we discovered this year --- we went to use a pool noodle extra that was from my Jupiter rebuild --- one time in the water with the kiddo's and the thing musta weighed 5 lbs --- sucked up the water like a sponge! Go figure! Wasn't expecting that. On the other hand after 2 years of our raft sitting in the water at the cottage for 2 straight months, the foam boards we used (which is what I put in the Jet rebuild) are as light as they were the day I put them in the raft. Hmmmm.... something to think about. I was really surprised at the noodle.

Jim

 

[barato2]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

instructive. sounds like below the floor, the extruded foam board is the only thing to use. noodles are great for under gunwales and bow cap, places that don't get wet unless the SHTF

 

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

Thanks for the comments, guys.

barato2, your comment about the green paint is interesting as the more of the original color I find the more I like it. We are giving serious thought to using the original color in our paint scheme, either all one tone or the green with perhaps an off-white from the water line downward. And I like your suggestions for noodle placement under the gunwales (forgot about that word) and especially under the bow cap.

Yeonik, that's a very nice and much appreciated offer of using your wood for patterns. I'll keep that in mind and let you know when I get the other two pieces pulled. So far it looks like I can use what I have though your offer is a super back-up. Many thanks!

InMotion, thanks for the correct name of the "stripper" LOL. Your comments about the noodles is surprising as I always thought kids used them in pools and such because they didn't absorb lots of water. I'll be checking this out because the last thing I want is water soaked floatation and a wet bottom...LOL..I couldn't resist that.

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

Interesting phone call this morning. Called a local truck/car body shop that is known for sand blasting. Asked if they did soda blasting and would they do an aluminum boat and metal trailer. Was told "we don't do much of that anymore 'cause it's so expensive." Then, "Oh we do a lot of that but I'd recommend sand blasting with a real fine grit instead." "Nope sand won't hurt the boat a bit." "Can't give you a ball park quote 'cause you might hold me to it." "Somewhere around $1000 if we sand blast the boat and trailer." "You want the inside of the boat done too?" "That will cost more..." "...and some of your boat is in parts..I'd have to see the parts to quote you a price on those parts...".

And that was just the first call I made....geeeeeeezzzoooow!

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

$1K buys a whole lot of paint stripper.

Yup, pass.

 

[piperjoe]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

I figure if I use the paint stripper instead, and subtract the cost of the stripper materials from the $1000, I've "paid" myself for my labor by the difference saved. Being retired I have the time...just have to think about retaining the mess and the disposal chore. Oh well, think I'll take a break from the boat today and put some covering on one of my RC model airplanes. Need to give this some thought....

Safe boating,

Joe

 

[barato2]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

sounds like a better plan. not sure that guy knew what he was talking about, since he's the first one i've ever heard of claiming sand won't take off a bunch of aluminum......i guess he figured it would still be thick enough for YOU to take your family out in.

since most of the softened paint will come off with a putty knife or similar scraper, you could reduce the mess a lot by getting one of the superstout Rubbermaid industrial trash cans and working right over it so the frutz falls in.

 

[Yeonik]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

You could always call around to some other places. 1k is a HUGE ammount. Let's just spitball here...

Soda Blasting Media - 50 Lbs. Medium Grade

50 pound bags for 38 bucks. Figure a company would get it cheaper. Call it 3 bags (probably would be way less) at 35 bucks. 105 dollars in material. I SERIOUSLY doubt it would take anywhere close to an 8 hour day to blast it. 1k is outrageous. You could buy a soda blaster and do it yourself for way cheaper than that.

 

[barato2]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

from that HF listing, it sounds like it will work with a standard pressure blaster? or does it take a special blast unit?

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1973 Starcraft SuperSport 16ft. restoration questions

Interesting phone call this morning. Called a local truck/car body shop that is known for sand blasting. Asked if they did soda blasting and would they do an aluminum boat and metal trailer. Was told "we don't do much of that anymore 'cause it's so expensive." Then, "Oh we do a lot of that but I'd recommend sand blasting with a real fine grit instead." "Nope sand won't hurt the boat a bit." "Can't give you a ball park quote 'cause you might hold me to it." "Somewhere around $1000 if we sand blast the boat and trailer." "You want the inside of the boat done too?" "That will cost more..." "...and some of your boat is in parts..I'd have to see the parts to quote you a price on those parts...".

And that was just the first call I made....geeeeeeezzzoooow!

Safe boating,

Joe

Sounds like they didn't want to deal with your project....that's insane, ain't no way...

If they charged that, they wouldn't be in business.