1968 Starcraft Sprint V Rebuild

[classiccat]

Re: 1960's Starcraft Something or other

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sheesh! Now I'm grateful for something about my boat's PO...he didn't own a welder!

Don't throw-in the towel just yet. Do a leak test and check for stress cracks around the welds.

Aside from the horror show, the keel strip is being ground down...check the trailer for worn keel rollers.

 

[Watermann]

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If the welds are viable then no big deal. I would imagine they would have broke when he used it before if they were going to since all the wood was less than new and the blind rivets were surely loosed. All new wood and blind rivets will make her strong again and no worries. :encouragement:

 

[BigMikey86]

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What the hey! Did the PO drill rivets and tack her together? I'm about ready to agree about spiking his tires. And taking the BFH to his welder. And his fingers and head while your at it.

Bad thing about people using kijiji, the buyer knows where you live lol

 

[jbcurt00]

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Light your torches fella's, the mob needs to make a late night house call:

I often wonder where some of the SawZall savants & backyard hacks get the idea that they are fixing whatever the problem is.

Don't re-drill the weep holes, just make 2 or 3 new ones near the originals, else you should probably plan to super-size the hole if you try to re-drill the originals.

Might just leave the welded rivet holes and thru drill new rivet holes about as often as was original, just spaced out in a new layout. Then back all the welded rivets (along the bottom of the inside of the boat) w/ 5200. Both as insurance against weld failure, and then to cover the damage & try to keep it from becoming a thru hole if it ever does let go, since the welds will be under an installed deck.

A good round of GluVit/Coat-It should seal it all up once all the other work is done ^^^.

 

[BigMikey86]

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That sounds like a good plan to take. I have a potential buy of a 68 Starcraft. Looks quite original, much cleaner than mine lol and even includes a bimini top. The story on it is the boat was rear ended, no damage to the transom but the motor was hit pretty good. Clearly if the motor was damaged beyond resonable repair i'm assuming to see some transom damage, cracking or tweaking at least but i'm going to take a look. If i can get him down to $1000 and the transom isn't damaged i might pick her up. heres a pic or two.

 

[jbcurt00]

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Carp

2-foot-itis has struck already

MBS claims another victim

Multiple
Boat
Syndrome

bigger, open bow so a completely different boat then the falcon

 

[GA_Boater]

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Look close at the bow, too. The bow stop area could take part of the force, too. And a bright light to peer under the splashwell. Hope she's OK, not a bad looker. Good luck.

 

[BigMikey86]

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Haha yup, why have one when i can have two! I guess I'm at that point with this boat now where you thought your kid would become a lawyer but is stuck working at mcdonalds. Stills makes money, still makes do but just isnt what you expected. Who knows, maybe ill end up buying a tug boat or something tomorrow

Tomorrows game plan:
-re-assemble trailer
-put boat back on
-fill with water and watch the sprinkler come to life

 

[SigSaurP229]

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I don't know that bad weld job would have be nervous about the boat the entire time I owned it. I would almost thrown in the towel and go buy the more functional open bow. That 16 SS is a cutie and appears to be well taken care of.

 

[BigMikey86]

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Thats my main concern really and reasoning for getting another boat. As much repair as i do on my current boat, in my head during every rough wave ill be thinking about those welds, and whether or not my repair will hold, sure they might hold at the beginning, but as time goes on, and I'm not known for going easy on things, those repairs will weaken. Plus it would be a shame to put in all the interior only to find out i have a leak later on down the road. What to do what to do. Either way i have a boat that needs repair and paint, so that's my dinner plate at the moment.

 

[SigSaurP229]

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You are correct. Thats probably the worst looking weld job I've ever seen and no matter what you do its always going to be on your mind I see this as a flip a coin do I continue project. Either way you have the full support of the Starmada as long as you don't go off the deep end and buy a glasser.

 

[GA_Boater]

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You are correct. Thats probably the worst looking weld job I've ever seen and no matter what you do its always going to be on your mind I see this as a flip a coin do I continue project. Either way you have the full support of the Starmada as long as you don't go off the deep end and buy a glasser.

Buy a glasser? I know where to find that left leg, Sig. :lol:

My tummy would be a little queasy in rough water too, Mikey. The leak test might be OK, but I have a feeling most the plug welds will be weepers. Most of them have little or no penetration. If you can spend the money to Gluvit the inside and it stops the leaks, good. You have a flipper in good faith. It has a repaired/welded hull that doesn't leak. I wouldn't have any problem selling it as a project telling a prospective buyer that the hull has had leaks repaired by welding and the hull has been sealed and no longer leaks. A used car salesman wouldn't be that honest, right? You just found another boat you like better and put an attractive price on this project.

You're still looking at the SS, right? I hope that one works out and the rear-ending didn't hurt her real bad. Good luck, buddy. Please don't buy a tug boat! Or a glasser. LOL

 

[BigMikey86]

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Hahaha do not worry, my pockets will never own the keys to a glasser. My old man used to have a Sea Ray 240 and no thank you. He had more problems with that boat than a fat kid in a vegan restaurant. I had plans to go see it today but the weather in southern Ontario isn't too forgiving at the moment. 40 km/h winds with 70 gusts and 5mm of rain is not good boat inspecting weather. Might go check her out tomorrow after work though. Also unfortunately the weather has impeded my efforts to re-assemble my trailer. It's 21 degree Celsius today and going down to 2 degrees tomorrow. Gotta love Canada.

 

[BigMikey86]

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Well i passed on the SS. After much debate and pondering at a slow day of work, i decided to put on my big boy pants and fix what i have before anything else. Who knows, maybe i can get her back to being solid. I was thinking about what to do with the bottom. I like jb's idea with re-riveting the chine. I was thinking about grinding down the old welds for cosmetics or would that just make the problem worse?

The cold front has passed and the snow has stopped, tomorrow temps will be on the rise so i hope to finally get the trailer back together and fill up the tub. I picked up a bunch of cans of zinc chromate, but what would be a good high gloss black paint to use? I have an hvlp. Preferrably something not super expensive.

 

[GA_Boater]

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Now you're in the recovery ward, Mikey.

I would only grind to make a flat surface for re-riveting the keel. It's much heavier than the hull metal. I would be worried about cutting through the hull for a cosmetic look.

On the paint, you're talking trailer and then zinc chromate. If you don't have an AL trailer, you don't need ZC for it. I might just be misreading. For the black, I don't think you can go wrong with the Canadian version of Rustoleum with added hardener. I can't remember the brand name of Maple Leaf Rusto.

 

[BigMikey86]

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Haha i was on the ledge for a bit there i know. I must have been still in shock. Meeeedic! Sorry for the confusion though, the black paint would be for the boat. I wish i had an aluminum trailer lol. We have rustoleum up here in the north, but how much paint would i be looking at to do two coats on her?. Since i went down to bare aluminum would one coat of primer be sufficent? Assuming i prep the aluminum properly and what not.

Also regarding sanding the aluminum (corrosion and slight gouges) what grit is suitable? 400? 600? Would i have to sand the entire boat? I have unfortunately not painted much aluminum in my life so i apologize if the questions are newbish, because they are haha

 

[GA_Boater]

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Some of the Northmen have trouble finding Rusto. I don't know why, but y'all have a great enviro-friendly paint stripper we can't get down here.

Anyway - ZC is only dusted on. What it does is chemically create a binder coat, but you don't paint it on like regular primer or top coat. I'm sure the spray bomb directions say 2 light coats. You can still faintly see metal through it.

Rusto makes an aluminum primer, which is self-etching for bare AL use. But it can be used on top of ZC. It's sandable, too. That's important because the top coat is only as smooth as the primer underneath. I'm giving info you probably know already. :facepalm:

How much do you need for two top coats. I have no idea, I haven't done a hull from stem to stern, only piecemeal. But we have experienced members who have done whole boats and more than one.

 

[SigSaurP229]

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I bought a gallon of Rustoleum at Lowes. I used roughly 3 quarts thinned at 15% with Acetone, I mixed it up 16 ounces at a time and added a teaspoon of MAGIC brand hardner from tractor supply. I was able to produce these results.






All things said and done with the inner hull gunwales and such I used right at the whole gallon.

I kept the factory paint (luckily nobody painted over mine first). I prepped everything smooth and only shot the bare metal with ZC.

The whole key to your paint job is prep work, for you this is the easy part since you stripped to bare aluminum.

Wash it down with Vinegar and water a 50/50 mix after you do let it air dry, the cleaner you keep it the better you are after its dry DO NOT touch it with your bare hands. Since you went bare I would probably buy 2 quarts of ZC and shoot it unthinned then follow it up with 2 quarts clean metal primer thinned at 15%

I think oil based TREMCLAD at Lowes is the equivilent of our Rustoleum professional.

 

[SigSaurP229]

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Well i passed on the SS. After much debate and pondering at a slow day of work, i decided to put on my big boy pants and fix what i have before anything else. Who knows, maybe i can get her back to being solid. I was thinking about what to do with the bottom. I like jb's idea with re-riveting the chine. I was thinking about grinding down the old welds for cosmetics or would that just make the problem worse?

The cold front has passed and the snow has stopped, tomorrow temps will be on the rise so i hope to finally get the trailer back together and fill up the tub. I picked up a bunch of cans of zinc chromate, but what would be a good high gloss black paint to use? I have an hvlp. Preferrably something not super expensive.

Yep structure over cosmetic no way I would do anymore grinding than absolutely neccessary to rerivet.

 

[jbcurt00]

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Agreed, ^^^, only grind as necessary to rivet on a flat surface.

The fish won't care if the keel transition is smooth as silk. Besides, we eat the ones that do complain, 1st.