1968 Starcraft Jupiter - Rebuild

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InMotion

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hey guys --- been working hard and then had the flu (whole family had it)... so no updates for a while.

barato2 --- thank-you for the info. I have decided while not being able to do much but lie there to wait until the spring to paint, just to be safe.

However, what I am going to do over the holidays is insulate the ceiling in the garage. I used the bottom feeders approach of covering the collar ties in my garage with whatever I had --- big cardboard boxes, industrial blankets, a strawberry shortcake tent (mine of course!! :) and well... most of the heat escapes out. I really noticed this Sunday when I tried working with the temps well below the freezing point. It kind of warmed up... but most of it was wasted. So plan B.

I also had the opportunity to read all of jas's Islander rebuild and 3/4's of the Jet's rebuild!! Couple of things that struck me:

1: There really is terrific community here. I know that it has bee said many times before, but there really is. Jas your rebuild is a terrific journey chronically the challenges that us backyard builders face.

2: Everyone of us has our reasons for building. Some are as simple as "I just wanted to". Others are to help oneself through a tough period of there life. Personally, I picked my Starcraft up after having brain radiation. Perodically, one has life changing moments. Mine was while lying inside a radiation machine. Instead of trying to plan life out, I just let life happen. The Starcraft opportunity came about and the rest is history. Regardless of what it is, there are 2 common threads that tie everyone together --- a love for being on the water and a tinny. Not just any tinny, an old, worn out tinny. One that in many cases, would just be scrapped or left to rot. New life is injected into the tinny which gives us something to smile about everytime we work on it and ultimately splash it!

3: For many of us, it is a daunting task to rebuild a boat --- many the first time a boat rebuild project has been taken on. The community here --- especially the starcraft community --- provides support, knowledge, been there done that builders insight, confidence boosts and sarcastic wit!

Sorry for gettin' all philisophical on you all... but I have just begun my journey. I hope to do the group of you proud!


So a quick update: I am now 90% done sanding. I have to retrack an earlier statement that using the cone sander works brilliantly. It does... when you have 1 coat of paint, not 4 or 5. I really have struggled, but have managed to get it sanded using a sanding disk on my drill and then finishing it with the cone. Then using 180 grit to 220 grit followed by a scotch brite pad. It looks pretty good and should be fine for prime/paint in the spring. I know --- no pictures no proof. Soon to come. My garage looks like a 200 lbs bag of green flour has exploded. You cannot go in without getting filthy.

Also got the wood --- really quite nice. Ocume marine ply. Also got the Gluvit --- a bit dented (like a lot), but not leaking so good!

Next steps: spin the boat to finish the sanding on the bow. Wash the boat. Flip the boat. Clean the garage many, many times. Insulate the roof. Stare at the boat. Think. Figure out next steps.
 

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Here here!

Progress sounds good. I think I would have gone the stripper route.
 

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winter is a good time for philosophical. and your observation on our love of water and old tin is spot on. i've been reading up on catfishing lately since the only way i can get on the water at the moment is vicariously (learned to my joy that all the freezer burned bonito and skipjack is killer catfish bait).

nothing like working with fiberglass insulation to help you appreciate your TIN boat. but you'll be glad you did it, esp in Ontario.

sounds like Santa needs to bring you the 6hp shop vac for that green flour.

that would be truly disconcerting if your can of Gluvit was LEAKING......
 

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I also had the opportunity to read all of jas's Islander rebuild and 3/4's of the Jet's rebuild!!

Wow! In far off lands the military use this as a torture device and the technique could actually be considered this a war crime:eek:

There really is terrific community here. I know that it has bee said many times before, but there really is. Jas your rebuild is a terrific journey chronically the challenges that us backyard builders face.

Everyone of us has our reasons for building

Totally agree! Each of us has our own rational for diving into the madness and each has our own mountain to climb. Sure, it's about the boat. But in many cases, it has nothing to do with a boat. In many cases it's bigger, way bigger than any tangible thing really.

One of the cool things about this iboats place is the knowledge, help, support, accountability, encouragement.........

It's certainly a fantastic resource for this trek we are on.

a love for being on the water and a tinny. Not just any tinny, an old, worn out tinny. One that in many cases, would just be scrapped or left to rot. New life is injected into the tinny which gives us something to smile about everytime we work on it and ultimately splash it

This aspect is just awesome, totally agree! I am pumped to see new boats sell for 20...30...40... even 50 thousand bux and here we are rebuilding boats destined for the scrap yard for a fraction of that cost! And in some cases our boats are built every bit as good as those new ones (sometimes better).

For many of us, it is a daunting task to rebuild a boat --- many the first time a boat rebuild project has been taken on. The community here --- especially the starcraft community --- provides support, knowledge, been there done that builders insight, confidence boosts and sarcastic wit!

Totally agree man! When I started look for a new (old) boat I figured I'd just grab something serviceable and use as is. It never really even crossed my mind to totally rebuild the whole stinking thing. In my search I stumbled upon this site, found these wierdos, and thought well heck, I spose I could just rebuild an old tub. I could even rebuild it just the way I want to, on a bottom feeder budget too!

Yah, the Starcraft brohood is a good one to be a member of, really great. Just so long as photos are posted up anyway, if that's lacking, they'll turn on ya in a flash! They'll love ya, but they'll beat you.:eek::D

Rock on IM!
 

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Just so long as photos are posted up anyway, if that's lacking, they'll turn on ya in a flash!
---- Pictures coming tonight!! I promise!

Something interesting I found out last night... there is a posting on a site called Kijjiji --- like CL but in my opinion better. They are giving away for free older glasser boats. For those that are looking for windshields and other gear (cleats, lights, steering wheels etc)... why not get one of these. I know that jas did something similar --- but bought his (albiet cheap and by selling stuff may have got it free in the end). These are free! To boot, there is another posting looking for free old glasser boats to restore! So when you are done, just give it away again! Just thought I'd share this with everyone. Bottom feeders unite!;)
 

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Sure, it's about the boat. But in many cases, it has nothing to do with a boat. In many cases it's bigger, way bigger than any tangible thing really.


Robert Pirsig would understand. call it Zen and the Art of Starcraft Restoration.
 

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Sure, it's about the boat. But in many cases, it has nothing to do with a boat. In many cases it's bigger, way bigger than any tangible thing really.


Robert Pirsig would understand. call it Zen and the Art of Starcraft Restoration.

Pirsig's Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance Is the worst book I ever read. As he was describing his journey with his son I got the impression early on that he was nuts. He confirmed it later and I never saw the need for him to write a book. I don't think he ever said what bike he was maintaining and his head is not screwed on tight. I wouldn't want him touching a Starcraft or any boat for that matter.

My literary review - zero stars, And I read the WHOLE thing.
 

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other than that, how'd you like the book? ;)

didn't mean to hit a nerve there, was just referring to the process itself taking over. FWIW, i think the key to enjoying the book is to not look for any sort of grand thesis but rather read it as a series of vignettes, sorta like you'd read a blog today. there are some good nuggets in there; he finally named something i never had a name for but run into all the time: the "gumption trap". he definitely meanders but so would we if we were schizophrenic with an IQ of 170. as someone who has 1000 projects constantly going to avoid falling into the depression pit (think Wile E. Coyote running like mad over the 1200' canyon to keep from falling), i can certainly relate to much of his musings.....but i'll keep him away from your boat, or mine.

the bike in Q was an old Honda twin, probably something like a CB360.

off topic rant over...............:)
 

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A few current money shots...

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The last shot in the previous post is a nasty scrape/gouge/dent about 18+" long and approx. 1.5" deep. Beauty mark really. Adds character.

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What's left to sand...

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4 sheets of Ocuome and a clogged shop vac in need of cleaning really soon!!!

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The last shot in the previous post is a nasty scrape/gouge/dent about 18+" long and approx. 1.5" deep. Beauty mark really. Adds character.

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This shot shows a lot of pitting. Some of the pits look pretty deep. Are any through the hull?
 

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This shot shows a lot of pitting. Some of the pits look pretty deep. Are any through the hull?

+1 on this. I also see quite a bit around some of the rivets. I would be concerned that if it gets any worse the rivets could pull through. Just something to think about.
 

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Have to be a lot better than what I see. and would want an extra throw ring for the boat. Serious looking problem. I saw other areas of the boat that also showed pitting. Good help here you may need . Ed
 

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I wonder what caused such deep pitting like that? Electrolysis maybe? Do you happen to know IM, was this sitting in salt for long periods?
 

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Shockly, none are actually through. I have poked, picked and poured on all the major ones. The boat was sitting in fresh water.... But you would swear it was sitting in salt water. My plan wad to hit every corrored spot with 5200 to seal, strengthen and prevent any further corrosion. I am rather concerned as you guys are. The more I sanded the more I found. I went so far as to hit most of the areas with the back end of a claw hammer.... It just bounced off. This I understand is the industry std test :)

Whatcha think?

Ps... Chk out one the earlier posts with a picture of the pitting near the transom... Looks rather poor... But still seams strong.
 

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I still think you have a good plan with the alum slathered with 5200 to shore things up.:)
 

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Could it be the household paint causing the corrosion? It is a below the water line issue... Inside, aside from where a bunch of lead shots were at the back looks new. Strange.
 

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:rolleyes: Ooops! Sorry about the spelling in thread #55... cell phone overrode what I had typed with some interesting words! I pounded on them with the claw end of my hammer. There is a fair bit of corrosion around many of the rivets below the water line. The 5200 plan should work. If it doesn't, I will learn to bail quickly! :eek:

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IM, I don't know any repair methods for those pits. I'll let those in the know give advice. I was concerned about the number and size of some of them. And I hope someone knows why so you can avoid the cause during the rebuild.
 

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I think I'd be painting the bottom with some 2 part and TOUGH. (Don't ask me what that would be though).
 
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