1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

petertay

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Being completely new to boating, my first purchase turned out to be a suprise. You know the story--looks good on the outside but the transom and floor are rotten and it leaked liked a sieve. Thanks to all the kind folks here on iBoats, I think I know enough now to do the rebuild job. I've spent hours reading the great posts.

The floor/deck (which was not original) seemed to be 3/8 plywood with two layers of CSM (it was so rotten I couldn't tell). I just lifted it out by hand, except edges which are well-tabbed to the hull. So now I have two exposed "stringers" about 3 inches high and 10 inches wide, foam-filled, with a board on top. I will cut the tops off, dig out the foam, refoam them, and then glass them over.

The transom will be poured NidaCore or a similar product.

But I have a question I have not seen addressed in these forums.
The reason I didn't know the deck was rotten is that PO had covered it over with 3/4 plywood. The plywood pieces fit tightly and were covered over with stapled-down carpet. It look great and seemed solid when walking on it, but as I said, it was a loose deck, just sitting there on the old one.

This brings up the question: Why can't my new deck also be loose, not tabbed to the hull? After I rebuild the transom and stringers, I could do as PO did--just lay down a new plywood deck. The advantage of doing this is that it would be easy for years to come to just lift the deck and see if things are okay down below.

I'm guessing you will point out that a properly glassed-in deck is structural. I can understand that, but as a friend said, "Back in the '60s, they didn't know how thin the hulls could be, so they made them real thick." This boat is only 15 feet, and the hull has lots of structural "lap lines" which add strength. Also, last fall we ran the boat several times in rough water. The deep hull design didn't have any problems with bouncing over the waves.
seemed plenty strong.

I'd love to hear some advice. Thanks.
 

ezmobee

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

I don't have any concrete evidence to support my opinion but I feel the deck is an important piece of structure and I'd definitely glass it. If done properly, is there really much chance of there being a rot issue again in the time period that you remain interested in owning this particular boat? Probably not. I also wouldn't spend the money on Nidacore. A properly sealed wooden transom will also most likely last longer than you need it to. The pourable transom products are indeed great products, no issue there, but in my opinion, they are best suited for boats that are otherwise in great shape but have rotted transoms. On boats that need a complete refit, I'd just stick with wood.
 

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If the deck wasn't structural and tabbing it to the Hull Sides was NOT required, You can bet the Bank that the MFG would leave this step out to save money. NEVER seen or Heard anyone that did NOT state that tabbing the deck to the hulls sides in a Fiberglass boat was absolutely essential for structural integrity. I've researched this a bunch and never heard of it. I have heard and seen Decks that were NOT adhered to the stringers.
 

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Yes the preferred thing would be to have the deck attached to the hull and the stringers. Otherwise the bending and twisting of the boat will act independently on the stringers and the deck . . . probably leading to some fatigue, cracking, etc.
 

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Not tabbing your deck to the hull and glassing your deck in would probably lead to water intrusion over time, even if you "caulked" it.

... and WOG is right, if the deck didn't need to be glassed to the hull the manufacturers sure wouldn't do it... there's a bunch of other stuff they wouldn't do if they didn't have to as well.
 

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If you plan on doing a pourable transom you can also do the same for the stringers. Then install the deck glassed under and tabbed in . Never ever worry about rot except for the deck .
Just my 1/2 cent worth ..:)
 

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

Before you invest in pourable material... be aware that there are not traditional stringers in this boat! (Unless it has been rebuilt before!)

I have the same boat. No stringers, at least not in the traditional sense. I'll send the link to my thread which will show what your floor structure is likely made of...
 

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coolbri70

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nice boat, i have the 18' version, i bought mine floor allready removed, took over a project, the transom was rotted too. before i put the floor in i could grab the gunwale shake the boat and feel it flex and wobble, after tabbing in the floor, the boat feels solid when you try to shake it the only movment is in the tires. if i hadn't tabbed the floor, im sure it would have felt like a rubber raft when i hit a wake
 

petertay

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

Thank you guys. I'll tab the floor in. The reason I'm favoring a poured transom is that the splashwell is so wide. I'm not going to split the top off the boat, so I want to minimize the time spent on my belly/back while working on the transom. I may have to cut a chunk out of the splashwell anyway.

pshelps mentions pouring compound in the stringers. I think I'll overlook that expensive option, but it does bring up a question. Those stringers are the only foam -floatation- in the hull. Does that sound right? Other than the stringers, under the deck was hollow.

Peter
 

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

mine has foam tubes under the bow, glassed over to support the deck, i plan to put foam in my gunwales this spring
 

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Thank you guys. I'll tab the floor in. The reason I'm favoring a poured transom is that the splashwell is so wide. I'm not going to split the top off the boat, so I want to minimize the time spent on my belly/back while working on the transom. I may have to cut a chunk out of the splashwell anyway.

pshelps mentions pouring compound in the stringers. I think I'll overlook that expensive option, but it does bring up a question. Those stringers are the only foam -floatation- in the hull. Does that sound right? Other than the stringers, under the deck was hollow.

Peter

If you have the space under the deck for extra foam, i would go ahead and put it in (pour-in foam). Your boat may not have had enough flotation previously, and some day you may need and appreciate the extra foam.
 

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1968 was 'pre' flotation foam requirement, I think... And many fiberglass boat makers considered the air space trapped below decks, once the deck was tabbed to the hull sides, as a 'flotation' air chamber against sinking when swamped (I guess).....

I think it was described that way in a 1960's fiberglass Starcraft ad.
 

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Yea , now seeing how the stringers are done pourable would be to costly. If it was originally foam maybe use 3/4 ply glassed in and then pour foam under the deck .
Good luck whichever way you go !
 

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NEW question: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

NEW question: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

The transom was rotted so it has all been removed as well as all the floor. New transom has been laminated together, but we're waiting on warm weather before it can be put in.
To get to the tansom, the wide splashwell had to be cut away. So lots of surface repair there. The old bilge pump had a long ungly hose hanging out the back of the boat. When I put in a new pump, can I just put a hose fitting on the splashwell and (if necesary) pump water onto the splashwell and let it drain out that drain? I see two advantages to this proposal: 1] no ugly hose hanging over the transom, 2] it will be rreal evident if the pump is moving water as it will be flowing onto the splashwell.
Being new to all this, I'd love to hear a response. --Peter
 

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

No reason not to, or you could drill a hole in the transom and affix a fitting to it and attach the hose to it so it would go straight out the back or side of the boat. Not need to go to the splashwell and then out, why not go straight out.
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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

on mine it has a fixture in the side that squirts water down the side of the boat, it was clogged up and the PO had just run the hose into the splashwell, worked for him, i cleared the clog and have it hooked back up to the side discharge fixture
 

petertay

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

Thanks for the ideas. Even though ejecting water directly through the hull seems clean and efficient, it bothers me to drill holes in the transom. Isn't that the cause of all the rotted wood? So I'm hoping to have only 4 bolt holes for the engine mount, and then the smaller holes for the stern eyes.
Speaking of holes in the transom, I'll have to do some more review on how to ensure that the few I do have will remain waterproof far into the future. Same for the drain hole at the bottom which I assume will be a bronze or ss tube. --Peter
 

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

When my transom was redone, they taped over and holes in the transom and installed the new one. When finished they re-drilled all needed holes and mounted a stainless tube(best I can remember) with a flaring tool and generous amounts of 5200. Unnecessary holes were lowered below the surface with a die grinder and filled with gel coat and then sanded and polished.
Were it mine I would buy a quality fitting and vent the bilge out the side just below the rub rail. Just my two cents.
 

petertay

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Re: 1968 Larson 15-ft: new floor

I appreciate the replies. Thanks

Couple of questions:

1. The 'stringers' are, as in some old Larsons, just two 10-inch wide fiberglass channels, about 4 inches deep. They were foam filled, and had a 1x10 board on top, glassed over with heavy roven. I plan to put rigid foam back in the channels. Do I need to replace the board on top? Meaning is that board structural? Hard to see how it would be.

2. Material needed. I have no idea how much stuff I'll need, so in order to get started, I ordered 25 yards each of CSM and 1708. That's probably too much. Also, to make all the PB for transom and new floor, I have 4 gallons of Cabosil and 4 pounds of chopped strands. Can anybody guess if that will be sufficient on this 15-foot boat? Thanks. --Peter
 
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