18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

[wrfalpacas]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Brad,

You will remove the knee, the support for the transom is c channel around the edges. here is a pic of the transom and motor mount

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Thanks bret, i had seen all those pics on your post. Thanks for the reminder. I guess the torque on the transom from an outboard would be elimnated for the most part. The inboard set up torques the stringers. It seems to be such a better set up. I did find a completely rebuilt 3.0 mer for 800.00. I also found a complete boat with a siezed merc complete to the prop for 500.00. I suppose the outdrive, housing and controls to be worth the price of the boat. I know the hydraulic pump works, but i'm not sure about the rest. The hoses are rotted out. It comes back to the main issue again, i need to sell the other boat first. Thanks again for your help.

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Bret,

Upon looking at mine with the OB setup, i see that it too has the channel, but it runs straight across about the knee as does the transom wook. I guess i would need to remove that and rivet some channel on in the same fashion as i see in your boat. I would suppose i could fill the old rivet holes and move on.

thanks
Brad

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Hey Guys,

I'm sorta at a standstill. I found a I/0 setup. I was to go get it but the guy sold it to someone else before i got there. First comd first serve i guess. I did run across another SC i am to look at (take for test run) tomorrow. the guy says its a runabout, but it doesn't have the closed bow. Can you identify this one for me. Put a value on it with a good trailer and a 90 hp evinrude (83 model) with a few extras??? Its a 21ft boat. Thanks, i'll wait to hear from you more versed SC guys.


It has a fish finder and all the required coast guard stuff. I think it would need some work on the inside. He wants 1500.00 for the boat. He's supposed to email the serial number at some point. But again, i'm to take it for a test run tomorrow morning.
Brad

 

[Rickairmedic]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Brad if its an open bow 21'er it may just be the Holy Grail a 21' Super Sport . The other option would be a Mariner if its an open Bow . Hard to give a Value without any more infpo on the boat got any pics . Whats the guy asking for it ?


Rick

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Brad if its an open bow 21'er it may just be the Holy Grail a 21' Super Sport . The other option would be a Mariner if its an open Bow . Hard to give a Value without any more infpo on the boat got any pics . Whats the guy asking for it ?


Rick

I edited my first post on this boat and added a picture. I feel like it is probably worth the 1500.00. the guy gave 3300 for it a year ago. My concern is the transom area. It looks like it has an add on! Here's a pic of that.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Looks like a motor bracket often used to convert an I/O to an outboard. That motor is a fantastic motor but probably a good bit too small for that boat.

 

[Rickairmedic]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Hey Brad she looks like a Mariner to me and yes that is an addon on the transom . I would almost bet she was an I/O originally as I dont really see a reason for it otherwise . Look her over real good before plunking down that kind of cash . I would look real close at the transom and see if theres sighns of it being an I/O originally the most obvious sign would be a lack of Knee braces since the transom may have been redone to cover the hole the outdrive would have gone through before . I would say if she is in really good condition otherwise she might be worth it or you might end up with another major project on your hands. I never offer up what they are asking from the start by the way I always start low and work up.



Rick

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Thanks rick. that was my thoughts on the transom. I hopel the hole is still there. I might be able to put an I/O set up in it one day. ON another pic, there is no knee. I don't have the 1500, i might be able to do a 1000, but we'll see what i come up with. Thanks for your quick reply and all the help.

Brad

 

[sschefer]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

That add on is what's called an offshore sponson. Typically they're added to keep you engine in water when cresting swells and from swamping when it's in the trough. That's the theory anyway. A lot of folks put them on to add boyancy so they can put a bigger motor or replace a 2 stroke with a heavier 4 and still keep the same waterline on the boat. It could be used for an I/O to outboard conversion.

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

I'll know in the morning if it was originally an I/O. I do believe it is under-horsepowered. It is rated, according to the owner, for up to a 150. I'm afraid the 90 will have trouble getting it on plane. This is the first i've seen of the mariner boats! Thanks for the help. Any other replies will be appreciated.

Brad

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Well the 21' mariner didn't work out. I also got messed up by ups on a power T&T for my Johson. They crushed the box breaking the alumium housing and the thing does not work. the seller, who refunded me on eb@y, said it worked when it left. I think the fall damaged the brushes. Anyway, i splashed the starchief with the rebuilt carbs. The old 115 ran like a top. It ran 38mph with around 800lbs of folks in the boat. I may keep that motor and find another boat to slide under it. I have found at mid 80's 140 mercruiser set up (whole package) for 400 bucks. The motor runs good (I'm told- will run before paying). I just have one question before i plunge into tearing out the transom. How much floor space (for Fishing) will i loose switching to an I/O setup. My outboard transom as it takes 36" of the boat rear. It almost looks like i would gain space with the I/O setup. I want to change it over for a couple of reasons. I can work on the merc easier and the fuel economy. I took my kids tubing and in short order drank 26.00 worth of petro (i was TWO most of the time)- will upload video soon. I think the I/O would run all day on that. Anyway, chime in if you care to!

Brad

 

[Rickairmedic]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Brad personally I think you are looking at alot of work for a few MPG . Boats are not known for fantastic gas milage regardless of whats powering them . Yes an I.O setup will give you better milage but thats alot of work. I would get Brett to take a measurement on his from the Transom to the front of the Engine box as that would pretty much tell you exactly what you are looking at since you both have pretty much the same boat.


Rick

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Brad personally I think you are looking at alot of work for a few MPG . Boats are not known for fantastic gas milage regardless of whats powering them . Yes an I.O setup will give you better milage but thats alot of work. I would get Brett to take a measurement on his from the Transom to the front of the Engine box as that would pretty much tell you exactly what you are looking at since you both have pretty much the same boat.


Rick

Rick, I was hoping you would chime in today. I know many folks think i nuts for even considering going to the I/O setup, and i may very well be. I am hoping that Bret can share that measurement with me when he gets a chance. if it is not a significant return, i may just keep buying LOTS of gas. I do hope in the future to run a across a 90-115 hp optimax. That may be alltogether a better solution anyway. It is just big bucks for those new engines. The old johnson has really impressed me a great deal. Thanks for your help.
Brad

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Hey Guys,

I've been out for quite a while. Much going on, but got a new power tilt and trim (used but new to me) on the Old 115. She will run 45 with 5 people, 2 batteries, and two full tanks (10 gallons) of fuel. It is great with the tube behind it for the kids. The only problem is that it is NOT a good fishing boat with five (wife and 3 kids). When just the boys go (3) it works great. The man i bought it from has a 18ft'r open bow with a walk thru windshield. I would like to part with the starcraft with the cuddy. If anyone is interested or if you have any advice on the 18ft'r let me know. I'll post a pic of it tonight.

Brad

 

[CheapboatKev]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Welcome back!

The 18ftr walk thru open bow really sounds like a SS..great boat

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

Welcome back!

The 18ftr walk thru open bow really sounds like a SS..great boat

Yeah Man,
Glad to be back. I had contiplated just removing the cabin from my starchief, but just did not have the heart. The man with the S.S. for sale has already been setting me up. He's saying, "Oh man this boat is much better than the other one i sold you." He hasn't give me a price, but i expect it to be too much. It needs a new floor. It has a trailer, but needs tires and bearings. Feel free (all who care to) give a guess as to what it would be worth in "really good shape" minus a floor.

Brad

 

[CheapboatKev]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

floor schmore..no biggie to deck her

what kinda MOTOR and what condition?

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

floor schmore..no biggie to deck her

what kinda MOTOR and what condition?

There's no motor on it at the time. He has an 85hp johnson that he may want to get rid of. I really dont' know anything about it. THis guy builds custom aluminum boats, and really doesn't have too much time for me. He's been real nice, but its not a big priority to sell a boat for a few hundred when the customs are around 8k. If i can get the 85 reasonably, and its a good motor i'll mount it on her. If not, i may put the 85 on the starchief and get the 115 off of it and put it on the S.S. The 115 is a '73 but she runs like a top and is strong. It just loves the fuel. The v-bottom will cut on a dime at full throttle and no one one can hold onto the tube. It's a lot of fun, but the S.S. will do the same i'm sure.

 

[brobrad]

Re: 18' Starcraft Starchief Restoration

It's been so long since i've been on iboats i can't find my buddy list. Whats up with that?