Youz people make me sick.

Tail_Gunner

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Re: Youz people make me sick.

Originally posted by craze1cars:<br />
Originally posted by John McFarlane:<br />I suppose you change the oil in the car on the side of the road as well, so it don't dirty the back of the car when you take it to the recycling station.<br /><br />What are you going to do when petrol hits $5 a gallon? Or $6?<br />
Question # 1: No. My used oil is recycled. Very nice out-of-nowhere assumption, though... ;) <br /><br />Question # 2: Pay it. It'll sting, but it'll also make me much happier than staying at home. Our friends in Europe and many other developed countries have been paying such prices for quite a long time now, it'll hit here soon enough. Believe it or not, $3 gas is still fairly reasonable in the US when compared to historical inflation....but people have very short memories and refuse to acknowledge that. $5 to $6 would be historically high, however. Yet I'm sure it will happen. And frankly it's just what this country needs to get that last good push to perfect the technology of alternative fuels and technology for transportaion. And when those alternatives are viable for everyday use in transportation and recreation, I will buy them, use them, and stop burning fossil fuel, just like everyone else. But until then, I'll be burning up dead dinosours in my many fuel tanks. [/QB]
:rolleyes: HMMM ID SUGGEST YOU MOVE TO EUROPE.............. :p ............ ;) ........... :D
 

Dave Abrahamson

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Why would you say that Tailgunner?<br />He very simply stated that he recycles his oil and that if the price of fuel goes up....he'll pay. As a matter of fact, he stated that "it's just what this country needs to get that last good push to perfect the technology of alternative fuels and technology for transportaion" I think he has a better grasp on the situation than most.
 

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Since this thread seems to have branched into two topics (fuel prices and towing capacity) I will add my two cents worth. Fuel prices in Europe are high because of taxes, not because fuel is not available. Quite the contrary here. When was the last refinery built in this country? Environmentalists simply don't want them. Some areas of the country are finally getting to the point where they are mandating a 85% gas/15% Ethanol mix that we in the midwest have used for years. My new Chevy runs on 85% Ethanol but thats a problem too. There isn't enough ethanol plants to meet the US needs. Peoples vehicle buying habits in the US are cause for wonderment. When fuel prices are down people that don't really need them, run out and pay big bucks for "big" vehicles they don't really need. Then when fuel prices spike, they dump the big vehicle for a tremendous loss and pay big bucks for an econo box that gets better mileage. If you really need a big vehicle, for pete's sake buy one now when gas prices are high. These vehicles are all over with for sale signs in them. Do some low-balling. I'm with Realgun however. Most people don't give their vehicle purchases and useage enough thought.
 

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And when those alternatives are viable for everyday use in transportation and recreation, I will buy them, use them, and stop burning fossil fuel, just like everyone else. But until then, I'll be burning up dead dinosours in my many fuel tanks
What are you waiting for.... Those technologie are available.., but where to find them in the USA.(Europe actually use Natural Gas, Electricity and Colza Diesel since years)<br />Governements(any country) have no interest of losing trillions $$$ by not selling oil.<br /><br />As for towing, Europe use "regular" size automobile to tow, and never notice more problems on the roads there than in the USA.<br />You are required to have a special licence if you tow heavier load than your vehicule, and have propered equipped trailer to do so.
 

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Woah. I leave for the day and come back to all this. Yesterday I expressed my opinion on your "power hungry" comment, then this morning I responded to a couple questions/comments directed at me, and as a result I appear to have inadvertantly hijacked Realgun's post and twisted the topic in a completely different direction. <br /><br />My apologies, Realgun...this was not intended, though I freely admit I diverged a bit from the topic at hand. Interesting topic nonetheless but I'll save it for other posts from now on.<br /><br />Unless of course you want to keep it going here...I can probably get people even more fired up as I have many more of my own unconventional ideas churning around in my skull. Your post, your call. I'll sit quitely for now...<br /><br />Consider the cage officially rattled...good work! :)
 

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Go man go were on a roll here.<br /><br />Oh and My project was pulled with a 2003 Ford Ranger. Sorry I did not take a picture.<br /><br />That Pickup was an E-85 Vehicle. And I tried to get from Albuquerque NM to St.Cloud MN on E-85.<br /><br />I woulda made it too if I had been able to get Ethanol in all places Nebraska!!! Omaha has it but the miles were to far from Colorado to Nebraska. 5 more galons was all I needed. :) <br /><br />I have stated this before in other posts I am sure.<br /><br />The Ranger Supercrab got 11 MPG towing! On Gas but with E-85 I got 13 Mpg.<br /><br />I never had any issue with E-85 summer or Winter.<br />E-85 seemed to have more ommph but the Unladed milage was 19 Mpg Gas and 16 Mpg on E-85.<br /><br />Plus the Fact that E-85 is sold in only 1 station here and is 10 cents higher that what got me into a bigger truck or was it the kids?<br /><br />Then I decided I wanted a smaller truck but had to have 4 doors and good milage. I am very happy.<br /><br />Now I should blowup right Craze1cars? :) <br /><br />Nope made a new topic just for us!
 

craze1cars

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I have clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. And you my regret giving me this clearance, because now I'm probably going to veer WAY off topic!<br /><br />As for towing capacity, I like to oversize, no question about it. I'm pretty much done with that topic.<br /><br />As for fuel economy/alternative fuels....here's some glimpses into my train of thought.<br /><br />I don't burn fuel just for the sake of burning fuel, despite my probably giving that impression in the earlier post. In fact, I consider myself a bit of a miser/environmentalist, but I'm not wacko about it...I heat my home with geothermal, flourescent lights all over the place, I recycle everything I can, and I often ride my bike to work. But I love high powered vehicles and they drink COPIOUS amounts of fuel, and I'm willing to pay the price for it because there is no viable alternative right now and I refuse to give up my hobbies. At the same time, I am waiting with open checkbook in hand for a viable option to gasoline/oil to get a foothold on doing what I need it to do. BUT...it's not here yet. Are there options? Very few. Feasible for MY uses? No. I know of no alternative fuel boats, snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, or race cars. A few passenger cars, and we're now at the very beginning of a much needed revolution in the world's transportation industry.<br /><br />Biodiesel: Hardly anywhere to fill up around here and anywhere else, and I'm not willing to do a whole bunch of legwork to find fuel when my gasoline powered vehicles can be filled at any street corner in the country.<br /><br />Electric: Not a solution....that just shifts the power supply to a different location. I'll relieve pressure on oil dependency, yes. It will also add pressure to our (United States) already overloaded power plants and distribution system. We already have rolling blackouts in many places in summer due to A/C load, can you imagine what would happen if at the end of every rush hour we all had to plug in our cars? Plus a huge amount of our electricity is produced by burning coal. The process is getting cleaner every year, but it's hardly a truly "clean" solution.<br /><br />Hybrid vehicles: That's nice they offer a 20% improvement in fuel economy over a conventional gas engine'd car, but they still burn a lot of oil. Hybrids will be a short term blip in automotive history. My prediction is that they'll come on strong over the next couple years, and probably be phased out in a decade or so when something better comes along.<br /><br />E-85 and other ethanol blends: Too expensive. Sure, at the pump it's fairly cheap from a consumer standpoint. But that's only because of government subsidies. You can't have a competitive product based on governent subsidies. It's much cheaper to process dead dinosours into fuel than it is to process corn into fuel. And there isn't enough capacity for it to really make a difference<br /><br />The internal combustion engine: Obsolete to the n'th degree. It is absolutely insane that our primary mode of transportation in 2006 is still based on the internal combustion engine. Been running them for the past 100 years. Look at how fast computer technology has advanced. Look at space travel, look at advancements in medicine, communication, etc. Yet here we are using the same basic technology that was designed when the world was getting around via horse & buggy. Why? It's cheap and easy to fuel. Still is, and will be for a long time to come. Honda CVCCs in the 70's were getting 35 to 40 mpg, Honda CRX's were pulling 40 to 45 mph in the 80's. I owned a 1981 VW Fox that got 40 on the highway. And here we are almost 30 years later and everyone thinks these hybrids getting 40 to 50 mpg is an actual improvement. 30 YEARS?!!?!?!?! By now we should be at 100 mpg. So I'm basically considering hybrids a giant step BACKWARDS.<br /><br />Fuel cells: This holds some serious promise. I'm banking on some method of fuel cell propulsion in my lifetime to replace the internal combustion engine. How to fuel them is the big question. All seem to be looking toward hydrogen for now, but some at natural gas, etc. Will be fun to see how it all works out. The other great news about fuel cells is it will reach far beyond the transportation industry. I can't wait for the day I go to my local Home Depot and plunk down $14,000 for an "energy module" for my home....sort of like an air conditioning unit that sits outside the house emmitting a gentle hum while providing all the power needs for my home for the next 25 years. No more power grid, no more gas lines, you name it. When it runs out of juice, you go buy a new one. I think we will see such a thing in my lifetime and I'm looking forward to it. When that happens, what will happen to the price of electricity? People and businesses will start abandoning their reliance on the power grid, fewer customers to pay expenses to keep the plants running. SKYROCKETING electricity costs. All while the power modules are getting cheaper every year as technology improves. Then one day the power grid system will suddenly be obsolete.<br /><br />Same sort of thing will hit the oil industry. When oil gets too expensive and technology allows a feasible alternative for transportation, people will stop buying oil. Supplies will reach massive peaks. Prices will plummett. Gas stations will close. This will drive up demand for the alternative fuel and the vehicles that use it. And eventually oil will be a lubricant only, and no longer a source of fuel.<br /><br />Our governement is all up in arms about the price of gas now and doing investigations to determine to cause. What a JOKE! Do they not realize that EVERYTHING is driven by supply and demand. This is where my comment came from about $3 gas in the US still being relatively cheap. Even at $3 per gallon, demand hasn't dropped one tiny bit. Because it's STILL cheap fuel. We really do need $5 to $6 per gallon to cause an actual drop in demand, and to cause both private industries and governments to make that last big push toward finding us the alternative we need. And I'm very confident in saying that this all will happen.<br /><br />The big question is, how long will it take?<br /><br />And somebody here referenced that the governments have no incentive to get price of oil down because of all the extra taxes they're collecting as a result of the higher prices. I tend to disagree on that. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the United States, we pay about 45 cents per gallon in federal taxes. It's a fixed dollar amount, so we are not paying a percentage of the sale. Whether gas is $1 or $5 per gallon, the feds still get their 45 cents. Some of our STATES are getting a windfall due to sales taxes, and each state is different, but I don't think that has any bearing on the federal government. Other countries I'm sure are TOTALLY different. Just a thought there....<br /><br />End of essay. Now everyone can tear me to pieces. Have fun!
 

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craze1cars - I was actually just reading and article (and of course, I can't find it now) that said that the subsidies are no longer needed for the E85 plants to be profitiable. <br /><br />Economies of scale, maturation of technologies, etc, as well as the higher price of gas have made Ethanol blends (E85) profitable, and that a gallon of E85 is now cheaper to produce (without any subsidies) than a gallon of unleaded. I thought I read it on MSNBC.<br /><br />Anyway, I hope its a short term stepping stone to Fuel Cells. <br /><br />This year Honda demonstrated a really cool 'Home Energy Station' that was essentially a Fuel cell system that could run your house completely, and charge your cars at the same time. It was a demonstration product only, but I'm hopeful its the way of the future.
 

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Originally posted by dorelse:<br /> craze1cars - I was actually just reading and article (and of course, I can't find it now) that said that the subsidies are no longer needed for the E85 plants to be profitiable. <br /><br />Economies of scale, maturation of technologies, etc, as well as the higher price of gas have made Ethanol blends (E85) profitable, and that a gallon of E85 is now cheaper to produce (without any subsidies) than a gallon of unleaded. I thought I read it on MSNBC.<br />
I can see it being profitable by itself, but it would REALLY surprise me that E-85 would actually be cheaper to produce than crude-based gasoline. If that's true, then my comments are out-of-date and incorrect, but I'd love to see the numbers wherever they may be.
 

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On the subject of tow ratings, my rig weight 4200lbs (weighed it last year). Now pack in a family of 4 and gear, assume we're up to 5000lbs. My '99 F-150 SC is rated for 6900lbs. I would love to downsize, but I'm not sure I would want to give up what feels like a good safety margin. That, and I can't find anything rated to pull the weight I need that gets any better mpg. <br /><br />On economy, that's why the F-150 isn't my daily driver, but for the record it gets 12-15 towing, 18-20 unloaded. My daily driver is a little V6 ranger that gets 23-25mpg and I'm considering a 250cc motorcycle for commuting my 52 mile round trip to work. I wish I could burn E-85 and it were available in my area. When the Ranger retires, it'll be replaced by a 35+ mpg 4 cylinder.
 

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Yeah...I think it was comparing it to any new crude from a new oil field (ANWR for example). I do not believe it was comparing it to a gallon of gas from an established oil field. I should have clarified that originally...my bad.<br /><br />Of course, I think living in the middle of corn country (Iowa) we see a lot of pro-ethanol stuff. I'm all for it. If it takes money out of some Sheik's pocket, and reduces our need for their oil, sign me up, if I get 3 MPG less, so be it. I rather a farmer, and all the jobs it would create, get the money, than some rich prince on the other side of the planet.<br /><br />I really think (and hope) it can be a bridge technology to fuel cells. The infrastructure is already in place (gas stations) the refineries are coming online more and more all the time. The auto manufacturers cars can already run it. Its a great fit.<br /><br />It should not be the final answer though.
 

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I saw a guy at the lake today towing a big boat with a Cadillac.
 

heycods

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Originally posted by ricksrster:<br /> I saw a guy at the lake today towing a big boat with a Cadillac.
If ya got it flaunt it. :D
 

montanaman

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I'm guilty, I have a very large truck to pull a wee little boat. Would've went with something smaller but I needed the 4 doors and my 01 f350 gets better fuel mileage in town, on the highway and pulling then my 92 silverado ever did. Plus it'll pull my boat and camper over 6,000 ft. passes in the rocky mountains.
 

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Originally posted by montanaman:<br /> I'm guilty, I have a very large truck to pull a wee little boat. Would've went with something smaller but I needed the 4 doors and my 01 f350 gets better fuel mileage in town, on the highway and pulling then my 92 silverado ever did. Plus it'll pull my boat and camper over 6,000 ft. passes in the rocky mountains.
I hear ya, I'm in the same "boat". I'd love to have a Ranger or a Chevy Colorado because of the high MPG. Pulling up any load over 4,000 lbs up I-70 out of Denver (9,000+ft above sea level & 8% grades :eek: ) you need at LEAST a 1/2 ton just to keep up with the flow of traffic. <br /><br />-CR
 

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Big motor and good trailer brakes...I'll pay the fuel bill.I know a can pass and get it stopped..
 

montanaman

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Capt Ralph, those are brutal passes. I couldn't imagine pulling anything over them. Not sure what the Pass with the Eisenhower Tunnel on the East slope is called. Thought I was going to have to get out and push my '72 chevy shortbox with a freshly rebuilt 350+ hp engine and it was jetted for 6,000 ft.
 

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Yes, the mountains are a different world and I don't think a lot of people at lower elevations realize how much high altitude can sap power output by 20% or more...it's not just the hills, but the altitude itself and the effects of the thin air whether you have proper air/fuel curves or not. I tow through those stretches of I-70 annually in CO during winter while snowmobiling, towing a 4 place enclosed snowmobile trailer (5,000-ish lbs with all the aerodymanics of an open cereal box travelling upright).<br /><br />Back in the late 80's I did it with a full size 3/4 ton Dodge van with a 360 and the optional low rear axle gear (but I don't recall the exact numbers). I will NEVER forget one particular year, bucking 50mph headwinds on a LONG upgrade, foot mashed to the floor in 2nd gear, spinning somewhere between 4,000 to 5,000 rpms at 40 mph, and I was still gradually SLOWING DOWN. (I'm sure it was running very rich as us flatlanders never bothered to rejet our tow vehicles for just an annual vacation.) We made it with no mechanical failures, but I was beginning to question our sanity.<br /><br />Our EFI tow vehicles today are significantly stronger and don't have as much of a problem, but they do still work VERY hard on some of those stretches, and sometimes I still find myself with foot flat on the floor to maintain 55 or 60 mph and not even realizing it's tapped out until I try to accellerate (HA!). If you look real hard you can actually WATCH the gas guage drop. Really a diesel would be the better alternative and some of my riding buds run them, but I can't justify it for a once-a-year hard-core run. I just push my 6.0 L Chevy 3/4 ton crew cab to its limit and if I fall behind I catch 'em on the downhills! Would never consider anything smaller and I firmly believe what I have is the absolute minimum sized truck for my needs, despite the fact it's rated to tow nearly 10,000 and I rarely put mucn more than 5,000 behind it.<br /><br />And if towing thru the mountains isn't fun enough by itself...try white-knuckling it in winter with occasional bouts of black-ice and white-outs! Now in my older-age wisdom I'm more likely to pull off and get a hotel during bad conditions than I did in my youth. Plus the police these days are much less likely to give you a pass during certain weather conditions when they close the interstate down. But back in the good ol' days (dumb youth) we'd just strap on some tire chains and keep pressing on...always made it somehow! We just figured if we got stuck we had snowmobiles and winter gear on board for everyone, so we had no fear....
 

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<br /><br />2000 Jeep Grand Cheorkee rated to tow 6500<br /><br />Boat on trailer (via scale) 3465<br /><br />perfect match. great excelleration, i am not in a 1/4 race. decent stopping. wouldnt change to a heaver truck and loose mpg for anything. i would however recommend tandem axels...
 

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I ate a cheap spicy sausage thingy while driving my tow vehicle pulling my boat, and it made me sick. Had a couple of throw-up burps while on the water. Next time it will definitely be spicy peanuts.
 
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