Re: W's war
nosleep<br /> thanks for reminding me how some of my cousins were "Recuited" in 60's and early seventies. why they got a gen u wine RSVP to a walk on part in a war. a few are still not home, well they are back on the banks, we vist the graves periodically.<br /> W wanted this war, the trained proffesional war planners that spend many years and courses at the war college in VA and DC training on how to plan various war scenario's got fired, Rumsfeld planned this debacale and W backed him.<br /> I was gonna buy stock in rose petal suppliers as we were gonna walk in to rose petals and hosesannas.<br />I told my dad way back in 02 we were going in, but the going in plan presented and executed insures a no win situation. sadly its come to pass.<br /> last week both the ambassador to Iraq and John Negroponte told the Iraqis if they could not get together the US would withdraw support, funny thing 5 days later a major blast threatens to be the final push into a civil war and no one KNOWS who bombed the mosque.<br /> But as Nosleep has many years of training in the military maybe Nosleep can answer who is our enemy ? cant answer terrorists or evildoes. I would like to know who "they" are.<br />like names,command structures,logistical supply line and where is the financeing comeing from to support the "enemy".<br /> so I am not "anti-war" I was involved with the first gulf war as an FC2, however there we kinda had a plan and stuck with it.<br /> we did not change plans 3 times in a month nor declared the end of major combat until it had actually ended.<br />so far the US reports to congress and the senate findings had shown terror connections and threats to the US from Egypt,Jordan, UAE, saudi arabia and Iran, no where is Iraq mentioned for terrorist training and attacks on the west.<br />so why did we attack Iraq? <br />this morning some generals in Iraq were interviewed, to a man they said the only thing they can do now is hunker down and not be a target in a civil war, they said it was all due to lack of troop force to insure security at the onset of ops in 03.<br /> so I am not so much cut and run nor anti-war, I am if your gonna jump jump. dont hop. ya either go in with overwhelming forces and take absolute control immediatly,like the plan was, or ya stay out and use insiders to destabilize, like we usually do.<br /> however Negroponte and the ambassodor, sorry I cant spell or pronounce his name, has stated that US support will be withdrawn if the Iraqis cannot get rid of the sectarian politics, thats our out, watch and see.<br />those folks have been fighting for hundreds of years, now they have western cash,weapons and training so they are more effective,<br /> but like Powell said, if ya break it ya own it.<br /> but in May it will be 3 years from the day W flew onto the carrier among much fru fru and whoohaaa and declared the end of major combat ops. we still have seen no security plans, the law enforcement in the metro DC area still cant communicate, the W plan for national disaster was a flop, the homeland security is rather much a joke, we are no safer now than on 9/10. it took them 15 years to catch two domestic terrorists in the states much less a 6'5" dude with a beard suspected of being in the desert.<br /> now the spin is OSL is no longer a threat.
<br /><br />This war started long before W was president, but it became truely visible to all of us on 9/11.<br /><br />At that time the war had shifted to mainland USA, however it has now located itself in Iraq and Afganistan. The reason for this is that your own military forces (with some help from friends) took it there. <br /><br />Under a lesser president, the war of terror may well still be rolling out in the civilised cities of the western world.<br /><br />Nobody I know of has yet come up with a better plan than W in my opinion. Certainly the job has been tougher than most of us expected.<br /><br />W has my support and so do all the troops serving or have served in this godawful war.<br /><br />We should focus on victory rather than second guessing decisions made in the past.
