Why is Islam waging war on Canada?

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> On a cynical note.In a way we are to blame ourselves .
Predictable response. It's always America's fault. Everyone should read this.<br />Admittedly, it's dry, (I am still reading it 3weeks later). But it should be REQUIRED reading for anyone wishing to become an American citizen ,and for high school students.
 

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> .... the Liberal mindset is set on believing that we (or in the case here, Canada) have or are doing things to make them mad. If only we would would stop and play nice everything will be OK and we can all live in peace and harmony.
There ya go KaGee. Turning this into a political arguement. ;)
 

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Originally posted by 12Feetz:<br />
Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> On a cynical note.In a way we are to blame ourselves .
Predictable response. It's always America's fault. Everyone should read this.<br />Admittedly, it's dry, (I am still reading it 3weeks later). But it should be REQUIRED reading for anyone wishing to become an American citizen ,and for high school students.
12feetz,I said on a CYNICAL note.<br />Besides, your opinion of what an American should be,is only your opinion, nothing more.Please do not claim it to be a law handed down from Mount Sinai.<br />Analyzing one's acts is the beginning of wisdom.Might does not neccesarily make right.
 

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Let's assume that we do a "Murtha" and pull all of our forces from all countries. This will allow all countries to determine the kind of gov't that they want(like Samolia, Iran, Zaire, Sudan, Chechnia?). In the same manner as Europe in the 30's, the list of Islamic countries will grow by force. Do we deal with it now or later? Do we wait until the French and Germans ask for our help after their hearts and minds are won over by Islamic occupation? What will the cost be then? Would you then be willing to do what our fathers and grandfathers did in 1941? Naw, you'd find another Chamberlain (Murtha, Kerry, Carter) with a piece of paper.<br /><br />That is very scary!!
 

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Crusty ,the difference between you and me is that I have actively fought these people in the field on and of for 20 years.I know what works and what does not.You may think that you can beat these people the way you could beat the russians or the germans.You are very wrong.There are two ways to make peace with them.One is to kill them all and the other is to give them a chance to delude themselves into thinking that they have won.Anything else is useless and a waste of people,money and time.
 

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PW2 said:First of all, Willie, Canadian troops are indeed part of the "war on terror" as they have been in Afghanistan since the beginning. What Iraq has to do with this is confusing<br />...............................................<br />Confusing? Gee, do you think there may be a connection between Iraq and Afghanistan like W has said all along?
 

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> 12feetz,I said on a CYNICAL note.<br />Besides, your opinion of what an American should be,is only your opinion, nothing more.Please do not claim it to be a law handed down from Mount Sinai.
<br />Yes, i hold a very strong opinion, and it is mine, of what an American should be. I hold firm beliefs based upon faith in God, quite a bit less in the form of government we have,yet some -- and SOME faith in man, but not much. <br />So you see, i am a prime example of "cynical"...Sop you're in good company :D <br /><br /><br />The "laws handed-down from mount Sinai" are not bad laws to govern ones own life with. I'm not very trusting in any human being who does NOT govern their lives by those commandments. And given the alternative of laws available, i am content with the choice i have made .<br />I have faith in God and country.<br />But this country has a cancer that is devouring it from the inside out. It is attacking the good cells of moral values in every meathod found. TV, computers, newspapers, books, movies etc -- No, Rolmops. I'll place my faith in something more meaningfull.<br />
Originally posted by rolmops:<br /><br />Analyzing one's acts is the beginning of wisdom.Might does not neccesarily make right.
How can i refute that? We agree on this.<br />But what if anything does might making or not making right have to with this topic? <br />Might make warlords in the human realm,does it not? I am confused.<br />As far as anylizing, what are we anylizing here?? Motives? Operations? Movement?<br />I am still going to spit (or worse) on his grave given the opertunity. He is my enemy. Not you (I hope).<br />I took your question very seriously, and perhaps I should not have. But only after hearing the press conference. When you read it, you might understand my own cynicism. I'll post it here ;
 

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Rolmops, I appologise for the length of my replies, but i can't help but TRY to defend my position any way i can by posting fact...There is a great deal of fact be gleaned from the nebula of media out there. Here, Rush Limbaugh makes ny job easier.<br /><br />The following is a C&P from Rush's show Friday, June 9th, which illustrates by direct quotes from media, which will form a new agenda to replace the parts that do not werk for the liberals anymore, and must be replaced.<br />The only qoute from Rush Limbaugh himself is in bold black...The rest are the questions fired in the press conference.AND THE MEAT of what i am trying to explain.<br /><br />It is another example of liberal suicide, or how it surrenders to it's kook fringe;<br /><br /><br />"{Once the media} learned earlier today that Zarqawi was still alive after the two bombs pummeled his safe house, and that led to all kinds of probing questions of Major General William Caldwell, the spokesman for the US military in Iraq and Baghdad. We have a montage of some of those questions." <br /><br />BARBARA STARR, CNN: You can confirm that US troops themselves saw that Zarqawi was alive, would you describe that as an attempt to escape at that point? Was he strong enough for anyone to have to resecure him? Did US troops try and render medical assistance? <br /><br />BOB BURNS, AP: Could you give us the rationale for choosing to take Zarqawi out, kill him outright rather than try to capture him? <br /><br />JIM MIKLASZEWSKI, NBC: Will there be an autopsy performed? Was Zarqawi able to speak? Did he say anything either to the Iraqi police or the American soldiers? How possibly could he have survived after two 500-pound bombs were dropped on that facility? Was he thrown clear? Is there any visibility on why he was able to survive those two bombs? <br /><br />PAM HESS, UPI: What's going to happen to Zarqawi's body after the autopsy? Does he get returned to his family? <br /><br />TONY CAPPACIO, BLOOMBERG: In the planning that went into this, was there any going-in assumption that you would try to take Zarqawi alive rather than kill him? <br /><br />JEFF SCHOGOL, STARST AND STRIPES: How can you be sure that Zarqawi died as a result of the wounds without a formal autopsy? When you were cleaning him up, did you have to Photoshop his face? Did you have to digitally enhance the photos at all to clean him up, to show him to the world? <br /><br />WILL DUNHAM, AL-REUTERS: How long, how many minutes was Zarqawi alive after the bombing and before he eventually expired, and had he been shot
 

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And a Good Morning 12Feetz.<br />I just read your comments and Rush's quotes.<br />They are all the stuff that interviewers will ask in any situation.The purpose is exposure and "view time".The Alphabet news organisations and Rush Limbaugh have very simular problems concerning Iraq.It is far to dangerous to have people on the ground where the action is.That makes them totally dependent on little pieces of information they get during these news conferences.The questions that they ask are standard trick questions that serve the purpose of goading the attending officers into adding some more information than originally planned.If not that, at least it gives some "human interest" content to the interview.<br />The reporters currently in Baghdad are there to try and make a name(career)for themselves and their bosses are trying to sell advertizement.<br />Every last bit of info you get from Rush is second hand selectively gleaned and used by him to further his career and sell adds to his public.<br />Whatever news gatherers and commentators of commercial companies do, has little to do with forming opinions.They cater to specific buying audiences.Rush has cornered the angry white male truck buying market and the alphabet people are fighting over soap,shoes and clothing.If you want news, listen to NPR or BBC.These guys have no commercial ulterior purpose.<br />Iraq is the perfect place for all these news shows.<br />It provides cheap thrills,exitement and a little bit of pain,but for most of us ,it is too far away to really influence our lives in the short run.<br />It is only real for the relatively few who went there or lost relatives.<br />Case in point:A very large part of our chatroom time concerns Iraq and terrorism,yet it all happens from behind our computers in cozy rooms.<br />As for your opinions about terrorims and about the backbone of the country being undermined.It is part of what makes up the balance.You to the right and me to the left.In the end a compromise between the 2 of us will be what happens.If the world worked according to Rush you would have a crazy world on your hands.If the world worked according to Michael Moore,it would be a nut place too.Between the 2 of them squabbling it might turn out ok.
 

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Yeah, I admit to not understanding 12 Feetz (or Rush's) point.<br /><br />They are reporters. They are there to report what happened. They are not there to take sides, particularly. They are there to present the facts as best they can by asking questions (I am sure none of them was on site at the attack, or its immediate aftermath.)<br /><br />It is their audience's job to interpret those facts.<br /><br />It is not their job to interpret what happened, or to editorialize. That's what Rush gets paid for (or Michael Moore, for that matter)<br /><br />It seems entirely disingenuous to criticise the media for specifically doing their job, and not doing Rush's (or any other commentator's) job.<br /><br />If they report the facts wrong, that is legitimate criticism. If the facts can be interpreted many different ways, so what? I'm sure Rush will offer his interpretation, and so will Michael Moore. So what?<br /><br />I do admit to being confused as to his point. Is he suggesting that asking the generals in charge of the operation questions is a poor source?
 

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It is clear the disconnect between the type of questions and the fact that American reporters, supported by American troops putting their lives on the line so stories can be spun to demonize their efforts.<br /><br />Many of their questions are consistant with the old "are you still beating your wife" questions. This POS was a plague on everyone's home. Did anyone watch CNN the morning after? I did for over 30 minutes. I saw nobody point this out as a victory, even though not getting him has been painted as a defeat, just marginalizing or even second guessing the fact we did get him. It isn't the job of the press to point out one sided loaded questions aimed at enpowering the enemy, it is their job to point out the facts. It is just amazing how to a person everyone at CNN didn't see any upside to the elimination of this TERRORIST.
 

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That sounds like out and out paranoia.<br /><br />It does fit with a Rush Listener, however.<br />He is the king of the professional victims club--somewhat ironic as that is the very thing he despises liberals for...
 

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All the questions asked were valid, imho....<br />The only stupid question is the one left unasked.....<br />Once again proving that Rush is an idiot, based on the fact that he didn't like the questions....<br />He may have been more valuable if taken alive, we will never know.....<br />One thing is for sure is this:<br />U.S. forces were close by if they arrived while he was still alive....<br />Dead is O.K. by me, though......<br />Cuz Dubya needs another notch ;) .........JK
 

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Oh really, do you think the question, "Do you consider this a victory in the war on terror? Might be a little stupid. <br /><br />Only a liberal would consider the removal of a king pin in the terrorist organization who bombed this country a notch for the President. It is a notch for the entire country and all those who, like Canada, might be future victims of his hate. What is the matter with this situation?<br /><br />Please support our troops this is their victory more than anyone.
 

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Yes!<br />Not necessarily....<br />Yes!<br />I do & it is........JK
 
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