Why I don't like working on late model cars.

sloopy

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ever rear-ended a Pinto?
 
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ever rear-ended a Pinto?<br />
Want to get rear ended in a 1978 Civic by a 67 Impala doing 70? That's what it was all about.<br /><br />The laws of physics apply to ALL. <br /><br />I don't believe for one minute that the US is second rate, not for one minute.<br /><br />During those so called bad years, we didn't see domestic powertrain issues. We sure saw our fill of import ones though.<br /><br />To say that domestic products will NEVER be as good is folly for one and a slap in the face of every American Engineer, Worker and the person you see in the mirror.<br /><br />I will never call myself "second rate". That's what we're saying.<br /><br />Nothing is perfect. A freinds Nissan Titan is on its second engine in 7K miles and the new one sounds like it has gravel in it. He can't keep brakes on it. Seems they are really small. It's Ok if you don't haul or tow or go down hills.<br /><br />My brother got rid of a Sequoia because they couldn't get the driveline vibration out of it, no matter what.<br /><br />My sister in laws' ML-320 kept leaving her on the side of the freeway. It's gone.<br /><br />We all have our war stories. To say that anything American is bad is, again, folly.
 

sloopy

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I was referring to the gas tank but o well.
 
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DJ

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I was referring to the gas tank but o well.<br /><br />
Sloopy, you weren't even alive when that was going on. Numerous imports plus Chevettes, Monzas (other GM derivitives, Omnis, were recalled for the same reason. Again, the laws of physics apply to all.<br /><br />Oh well.
 

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In the end, they all suck. Get a warranty, learn to fix it, or ride the bus. :D
 

sloopy

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Chill DJ! I only drive american cars! I was not trying to bash them or anything. BUT do you really mean to tell me that you don't think to yourself "Sh#t I better not rear-end him" whenever you are driving behind a Pinto?<br /><br />The thing I love about the pinto is that Ford knew about the problem but when they looked at the numbers it was cheaper to pay out at a couple dozen court cases then it was to recall the car. Which I believe they did when some laid off engineer confessed. <br /><br />Kinda like the corvair....
 
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Sloopy,<br /><br />I get real PO'd when I hear nothing but Americans bashing other Americans and their job performance.<br /><br />I guess we just better all sit home and do nothing since we can't do anything right.<br /><br />
"Sh#t I better not rear-end him" whenever you are driving behind a Pinto?<br />
Actually, I think that all the time. Regardless of what someone is driving.<br /><br />It was later proven that the Pinto was no more likely to catch fire than any other subcompact on the road. But, you never read that. Just like you never read that Dow Corning breast implants were later proven to be safe-after Dow Corning went bust and lawyers got rich.<br /><br />NOTHING is fool proof. A court case or two proves-very little. Too bad our society worships lawyers. It will be our downfall as a creative society.<br /><br />Just wait, the lawyers are poised to sue over asbestos. That one will bring ALL American industry to its knees. Foreign companies used just as much, or more, but the money is too hard to get at.<br /><br />God help us.
 

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Originally posted by DJ<br />Just wait, the lawyers are poised to sue over asbestos. That one will bring ALL American industry to its knees. Foreign companies used just as much, or more, but the money is too hard to get at.<br />God help us. [/QB]
Asbestos was being phased out of industry in the early eighties.What wasn't removed from many industrial facilities and power plants was incapsulated and left in place.This was in the wake of not only law suits ,but an understanding of its potential health risks.Particularly to insulators and factory workers.I breathed my share over the years before the removal of it became commonplace.
 

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I hate having to remove a bunch of stuff just to get access to the problem, Its hell getting to something as simple as the oil filter on some of these cars. :(
 
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DJ

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ob,<br /><br />There is no statute of limitations on class action lawsuits. Actually, the more the substance is out of peoples minds, the better for trial attorneys. They can make asbestos out to be a real boogey man with few to dispute them.<br /><br />Besides, facts have no place in a courtroom in a civil action suit. It's all about emotion. :mad:
 

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Amen on the late model robot-built robots. I lump the new Merc ELPTO"s and Jhonnyrudes in that club too. <br />Question:What does on e do with an ELPTO at sea 10 minutes after an injector fails? <br /><br />Answer:(1), Call SEA-TOW.<br /> (2), Order a new Merc ELPTO.<br />But I'll give the Jhonny this -- It at least knows it has a clogged injector (under normal conditions), and shuts down. In such a case, the answer is different than it is with the competition's. (IE; (1)Call Sea Tow. (2)Call the Bank for a small loan). :D
 

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DJ<br /> ever watch a 72 year old non smoker die from asbestos induced Mesothelioma? its nasty.<br /> the law suit is not about asbestoes, its about the fact they manufacturers and some end users knew about the medical issues and covered it up. <br /> that 72 yr old above was my dad.<br /> I am not bashing american products, the volvo drives made in kentucky are as good as the north american built honda products.<br /> the mexican made stuff on the GM is a tad iffy though.<br /> the great american rubber products producer DAYCO is a primp examble. we tend to have issues with the hose and drive belts if underneath DAYCO it says hechen en mexico.<br />and they all do now.<br /> the mexican made 3.0,5.0 and 5.7 GM's were terrible at first but getting a little better now.<br />there is a seriel number run of the 3.0 motors that require valve cover removal and headbolt retorque before placing the motor in service, all were of mexican manufacture under the GM banner.<br /> its a quality control issue.<br /> most people dont realize how much of the stuff ford and GM uses that is not manufactured here in the states but its marketed as a US domestic product from bumber to bumber.<br /> trust me when your changing out the motor due to a mexican plant QC issue the the customer only knows he bought american and it failed.<br />so its not an issue of americans its a QC issue from plants around the globe.<br /> and yes they all break :) :) . if they did not I would not be so popular.<br />and BTW I am a participant in a wrongful death case against serveral asbestos manufacturer's. I hope to bleed them dry then toss the dust.<br />not because the product was defective, because the product dangers were known in the late 30's and hidden from the public till the 80's. its also why I have asbestos's.<br /> however our govt has stepped in and taken the companies off the hook and stopped most payments.<br /> seems our vice president got Halliburton off the hook to make the payments that 3 years before they promised the US congress they would make if allowed to take over some smaller company's.<br /> Cheney got them off temporarily, the next administration I hope is not so cozy with halliburton, cheney walked away with millions and cut the rest of us off.<br /> while your bashing the Pinto why not bash the MustangII? same tank and unibody.
 
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rodbolt,<br /><br />I am sorry to hear of your loss.<br /><br />The government is just as guilty in the asbestos thing as anyone. YET, the government WILL NOT be named in the lawsuit.<br /><br />We ALSO KNEW/KNOW that cigarettes are not good for you. They are still on the market. Why is that? The polio vaccine causes polio, in some instances, yet we still use it. Why is that?<br /><br />Every product has a trade off. Asbestos also saved allot of lives from a horrible death of fire.<br /><br />Domestic is still domestic because, and nobody seems to get this, WHERE their principle operations are (head office).<br /><br />Whether Hondas or Volvos are assembled here, or not, has VERY LITTLE to do with the overall picture. The true representation is WHERE the profit goes. I happen to think it should feed our economy, not Japans or Swedens.<br /><br />There is allot more to selling a product than merely bolting it together. Research, testing, development, etc. are all done overseas, for the most part, on foreign badged product. One thing-for sure-is the profit doesn't stay here. If it did, lawyers would be all over the imports in liability suits, but they are not. The MONEY AIN'T HERE.<br /><br />That is why imports will be left out of asbestos suits. That is not right. <br /><br />But, bashing America is all the rage, these days. I'm NOT participating.
 

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dude the lexington kentuky volvo plant is the MANUFACTURING facility not an assybly plant.<br /> the sx style drives are manufactured in the states.<br />the only issue volvo ever had with the sx was the propshaft seals made by chicarco rawhide.<br /> the tool was not correcly designed and the seals were junk. the new seal and tool solved the issue.<br /><br /> I am not bashing american made stuff at all. however its getting very difficult to find it. most GM stuff is about 80% assembled with parts not made in the US.<br /> its amazing how poor a quality some of the mexican,singapore and china made parts are for OMC and merc. yet when that jonnyrude or merc fails due to poor quality junk parts the consumer does not see it. all the consumer knows is jonnyrude and merc is as american as apple pie and its junk.<br /> merc had a run of belgian made 4 and 5 Hp motors back in the early 90's that the paint would all bubble and fall off in the first 2 months of use.<br /> was it a merc problem or a belgian problem ?<br />when I say all thats exactly what I mean. hand sized flakes would bubble and fall off.<br />all the customer knew was he bought american and it failed and merc would only pay 3 hours to repaint and he covered the other 10 hours labor.
 

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In todays paper a BIG artical<br /><br />FORD mustang 65% North American parts<br /><br />Toyota Sienna 90% North American parts<br /><br />And the parts are what really what makes jobs and keeps the American Economy going<br /><br />I have 5 GM 1993 to 2005 cars so dont tell me i am bashing anthing<br /><br />The best ones are the 1993 and 1994 OLdsmobile Cutlas Cieras no reall problems<br /><br />Things go down hill with the 1999 venture Its only hydolocked twice from bad gaskets otherwise a trouble free car<br /><br />Dont get me started about the 2003 silverado RUST problems
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<br /><br />I will buy a nother one BECAUSE they have been great about takeing care of it BUT<br /><br /><br />I pray that i dont have issues with 2005 Equniox Because i think it will be hard to remain loyal if that one has the kinda of problems the silverado has had<br /><br />tommays
 
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And the parts are what really what makes jobs and keeps the American Economy going<br />
Not really. Low skill repetative jobs, at best. Maybe we should require the imports to join the UAW. That 90% will go to ZERO-overnight.<br /><br />I guess NOBODY gets it. THE MONEY DOESN"T STAY HERE.
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />I guess NOBODY gets it.
You seem to say that a lot. :rolleyes:
 

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I get it just fine :) <br /><br />If the parts are made HERE then the steel and plastic most like comes FROM HERE and a lot more money stays here VS mexico.<br /><br /><br />Just like the small business i work for on Long Island could have fled elsewere(like mexico) BUT we made are selfs SO GOOD at makeing the different personal care products.<br /><br /> There is NOBODY in the USA or OUT that can produce the quantities of quality that we due WITH CHEMICALS FROM OTHER PLANTS IN THE USA.<br /><br />tommays
 
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tommays,<br /><br />You MAY BE correct. Only the domestic nameplates buy US steel. All imports import their steel from their home countries. I suspect the same is true for other raw materials.<br /><br />
Originally posted by DJ:<br />I guess NOBODY gets it. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />You seem to say that a lot.
ob, <br /><br />I do say that allot and still, nobody gets it. Proof positive. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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