Why I choose materials

[Yacht Dr.]

..I dont mean to come across like My way is the best way and the only way for applications..

I also understand that cost for materials is an important issue for some here ..

Please understand that for me and my profession does little to consider material cost..its about TIME and location.

If I have to Prime and prep for paint..then apply ( whatever paint ) then have to Wait and reprep/paint/reprep/paint ..possible sand and buff.. I/we will never make money ( well not the kind of profit we can make ). There is just Way too much labor hours involved in such applications of reprep paint ( and I have 3 more boats in line to put in the booth ).

Thats why I use what I use...its quick..and its way more expensive material wise..safty and evacuation is Higher cost as well. But labor time/booth time is cut 80% . I spend more $ on materials .. but save time on cures/prep/application.

For paint application I will allways try to help with Prep ... your materials I will also research from contacts to help out..

Please buy a full face resporator when painting/grinding or layups...

YD.

 

[Fisherball]

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Don't worry about it. The knowledge you lay out is great! Having a pro express his ideas is one of the things that makes this site so good. Everybody has to look at all options & adjust to fit their needs. I always look at many opinions b/4 I form my own & your's is appreciated. I assume you are in the boat rehab/restore business?

 

[lakelover]

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I do appreciate your knowledge and the fact that you are willing to share it, just realize that not everybody is in the same boat:facepalm:.

 

[rickryder]

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^ Matter of fact were pretty much all in different boats And YD Your the profssional here and I think most people will agree you know what the right thing to do is!

 

[djpeters]

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I wouldn't change the way you respond. You post a ton of information if someone asks and provides pics and is willing to do it right.....

 

[produceguy]

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Sorry guys..

Sorry for what. Giving us great advice.
Your the Yacht Doc man.

 

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I/we will never make money ( well not the kind of profit we can make ). There is just Way too much labor hours involved in such applications of reprep paint ( and I have 3 more boats in line to put in the booth ).

YD.

this is a huge statement.....

(getting away from the point of this thread)
any pro (shop or mobile)....is going to make sure he can do the job, with in a specific time frame, and will factor in the cost of specific materials.

when a person goes looking for a professional to do the work......they must be specific on what kind of approach the pro is going to use.and what type of materials....not just slap some glass on it and paint it.

each material MUST work with the others.....if they do not....the repair will fail.
im sure each of us has heard of an auto body shop that had some paint come off shortly after the job was done.......well....in the marine enviroment...if our repairs fail...people can die.

there are many different approaches to the proper repair of boats....there is a huge difference between the methods and materials used on the east coast and the west coast.
one better than the other?.....i think not. both work.

if you are considering having a pro do your boat.....please, describe the job here on the forum....yd can guide you, and possibly keep you from getting ripped off.

TO YD.....i dont know why you made this thread ... i must have missed something. but if a person reads your sig....that is disclamer enough. (even the short version )
dont worry bout nothin bud.....your time and help is greatly appreceated here

cheers
ward

 

[eclipseturbors]

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In fact, I appreciate the time is money point of view. I asked about some crazing that was taking place across the top of my old, newly aquired, 1968 Mark Twain. Your advise was to get the running gear working and save the the deck refinishing for next season due to the work needed to rectify the crazing. So, I took your advise and now knee deep into an older Merc that will look cooler and as it turns out, to be a better motor than what was on it. That will leave some rainy weekends to chip away at fixing other stupid things that are on it that I'm finding as well. Long story, short... THANKS!

 

[Bob_VT]

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EVERYONE HERE in our "dy dock" Thanks oops! actually has the same exact destination/goal. We all want to leave the dry dock status and enjoy our boats.

The choice of the route we take is usually dictated by our wallet, our skill set and our tools available. Some people take the high road which may cost more money and there are other's here who meander through the world and cut their own trails.

Yacht Dr has the GPS and knows the high road

Other's make it happen from back roads

And a few who just meander in circles with possible diagnosis of being ADHD and see where they want to go and HEY LOOK AT THE SQUIRREL !!!

Keep focused on your goals!

 

[proshadetree]

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Yd I appreciate your and other point of view. You try to keep me from making huge mistakes and costing me more money than I would have spent. I would think everyone knows there are a thousand ways to do a job. Some will last some wont. Keep on giving the advice I for one thanks you and the other members here that help us out YD, OPPS, Bondo, Ondanvar hope i spelled that right you guys rock.

 

[Cadwelder]

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Man, YD.....don't ever appologize for giving GREAT advice. (sound familiar doesn't it). As stated by others everyone must make thier own decision on how, why, what materials, etc...for every project on thier own. The pro's (like yourself) as well as the all the DIY's (like me) try the best they can to answer and solve whatever problem comes up. (Plywood ring a bell), wheter or not the advice is taken is up to each indiviual person. I never comment unless I've either done it or have seen it done, you on the other hand have actually done it all and your advice (along with all the other pro's) is VERY much apprieciated here.

Keep up the great advice

 

[Bob_VT]

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Man, YD.....don't ever appologize for giving GREAT advice.

Keep up the great advice

Yup, (<<<that's Vermont for Yes or that's New York for Yeah!! ) No apology needed, I really hate the post title and Please continue to guide those who need it to the High Road!

BTW, many of us enjoy bushwacking just so we can see the squirrels!! :facepalm:

 

[Bondo]

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TO YD.....i dont know why you made this thread ... i must have missed something.

Ayuh,... Ditto,... I know you, 'n I had abit of a disagreement about paintin', 'n the Way I respond to posts....
But,...
Your replys are most Always Right on the money, 'n much more detailed than my own...
You are truely an asset here at iboats...

And a few who just meander in circles with possible diagnosis of being ADHD and see where they want to go and HEY LOOK AT THE SQUIRREL !!!

Ayuh,... I resemble that remark,.....
Now,.... What the 'ell was I doin' a minute ago,..??..??..??

 

[pjitty]

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Let me say that sometimes the accepted method of doing things in a commercial environment is not always the best way of doing things, but is concidered commercially acceptable. With that said, what is commercially acceptable, is acceptable. Now before I catch a beating for my remarks, let me say that I have 40 years in construction [15 years as a cabinet maker, and 25 years as a woodworker]. The methods we use to build cabinets and furnuture is fine... But not the best. My experience is in construction, I think it applies to other industries. OK, give me your best shot...

Joe D

 

[ondarvr]

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Let me say that sometimes the accepted method of doing things in a commercial environment is not always the best way of doing things, but is concidered commercially acceptable. With that said, what is commercially acceptable, is acceptable. Now before I catch a beating for my remarks, let me say that I have 40 years in construction [15 years as a cabinet maker, and 25 years as a woodworker]. The methods we use to build cabinets and furnuture is fine... But not the best. My experience is in construction, I think it applies to other industries. OK, give me your best shot...

Joe D

Completely true. The method used in the commercial building of anything is normally not the best method, but is one that works..and can work well, but like anything, it can always be done better when more time and money is spent.

YD and I have discussed this before, the "what method or products should be recommended" question. We came to the conclusion that depending on the circumstances there isn't really a right or wrong answer.....should you use the best plywood that is special ordered and imported from a far off land, or should you use the cheap stuff from Lowes. Well there isn't one good answer, it just depends what the objective is for the project. So when several different methods or products are suggested its up the person doing the project to decide what may work best for their situation.

My view is that most of the boats discussed here are purchased for a few hundred bucks or less and the budget to fix them is even less. The owner wants to get out on the water fairly soon and spend as little money as possible. Plus these aren?t the type of boats that a person keeps for a long period of time, nor are they of any value when fully restored. If the owner really likes boating they will typically upgrade in a year or two, if they don?t like it as much as they thought, then the boat will be sitting under a tree in the side yard for the next decade. In either case paying top dollar for the best materials available seems like a waste to me. Even with the low cost products the repairs will last for many many years if done correctly and with some care and attention to detail.

On the other hand some of the boats discussed are going to be kept for a very long time, frequently these owners have owned several boats and have a good idea of what they want and plan on keep it for a long time. In this case it pays to upgrade the products and methods because there?s a much better chance it will pay off.

Its up to the owner to accurately describe (if possible, as things do change) what they want as an outcome and the budget to get there. Good suggestions can then be made to help guide them in that direction. Whether they use Rustolium or Awlgrip is up to them, letting them know how to correctly use both products is what?s important. Safety is also important and shouldn't be overlooked on any project.

 

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well said ondarvr

 

[lakelover]

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well said ondarvr

100% agree.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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Wow..

Thank you for all of your positive feedback guys .. ( especially from those that I HIGHLY respect ( O,O,B,B,P )) .

I started this thread under " Sorry Guys.." but have changed it to its current title because I didnt want Anyone thinking I was offended or felt out of place. It was ment more of an informative on Why I use what I use for backround to make sure I didnt offend anyone when I suggest things.

I personally think this is the best boating forum on the net Bar None .. I feel completely welcome and comfortable making this my helping home .

YD.

PS. Oops..your right..I like the shorter version of my siggy Changed back hehe.

 

[lowvlot]

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Cheers to all!!

 

[oops!]

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hey look....a squirrel ! :d:d:d