Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

Stepney55

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

yeah dude, I tow a large boat with the exact same van(same year everything)...and most of the trailerboats forum guys know my story. I am entering my third season of towing, and the van has slowly gone to **** dragging 5k on 5mile round trips. Get the trailblazer, even though the van is respectable.
 

fsds123

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

Just FYI, My camaro stopped much faster with a tow load behind it than the bronco does that I tow with now.

Nice to know someone else with real world experience not afraid to voice their opinion over the typical "you must drive a 1 ton truck to tow a tiny boat" mentality.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

Nice to know someone else with real world experience not afraid to voice their opinion over the typical "you must drive a 1 ton truck to tow a tiny boat" mentality.

I don't susbscribe to the "one ton truck required to haul a 10' john boat" like some others, but what you have advocated prior in this thread is ludicrous at best and illegal for sure. You don't even know what you are talking about in respect to weight ratings and towing laws. And the guy with the Camaro comparing it to a Bronco is just as nuts as you. Or there is something really wrong with his Bronco, but he'll never tell the whole truth about that.

Just let this thread die man. You do your thing, and do it as far from me as possible. And if you ever do cross my path, cause an accident, or hurt me/my family in any way, I'll pursue you to the fullest extent of the law and the civil court system.
 

fsds123

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

but what you have advocated prior in this thread is ludicrous at best and illegal for sure. You don't even know what you are talking about in respect to weight ratings and towing laws.

Just let this thread die man. You do your thing, and do it as far from me as possible. And if you ever do cross my path, cause an accident, or hurt me/my family in any way, I'll pursue you to the fullest extent of the law and the civil court system.

Nothing illegal here and you know it. The towing laws are listed at the top of the forum in a sticky. Read it. And please do your thing as far away from me as well, whether towing or not.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

You just have to get the last work in, don't you? Well you've been proven wrong on every post you have made on here, so that's the last word.
Type anything else you like, no one is listening.
 

fsds123

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

Then it shouldn't be too difficult to show me even one post where I have been wrong, backed up by facts. Answer me this...did you read the towing laws sticky at the top of the forum?
 

jkust

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

Guys I will take this back on topic since I started it. I towed my boat with the Rainier this past weekend for its first long distance tow up to northern Minnesota and back to Minneapolis. Again, the boat and trailer are +-3500lbs and the Rainier is a truck based suv with a 5.3 liter V8, AWD with 6500lb tow capacity. I can say in all respects the SUV is superior except one. When towing straight down the highway at speed limit, the shorter wheel base suv gets steered just a little more than the minivan. The difference though is like someone above said the truck frame and huge hp and tq differences make up for the wheelbase. The big difference really is in my stress level. Towing with the van that same trip, I feel like I am on borrowed time especially when I have to stop in traffic and watch the temp needle creep way up. It is like a whole other big issue to worry about when I should just have the correct vehicle. The temp needle on the Rainier doesn't move at all. Oh and I forgot, I had the worst case scenario happen as well. With about a half second to react a truck and trailer pulled out in front of us as if we weren't there, on a highway with opposing traffic. He looked left but not right. It could have been catostrophic but I simple steared aroung him on the shoulder. I was happy to have the right tow vehicle right then.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

Something I think a lot of people confuse about the ability to tow a trailer is that the larger heavier SUV or truck has the suspension to deal with the weight transfer when stopping or making a sudden maneuver.
I have three vehicles, all can tow a trailer, a one ton Dodge van, a Grand Marquis, and a Ranger pickup, all will tow a trailer just fine within their limits. The handling characteristics however are all quite different. On the open road, with a lighter trailer, the Grand Marquis is surprisingly comfortable, and by far the best on fuel, but it's never my first choice as a tow vehicle, it just happens to have a hitch. It dips and dives too much on rough roads and when braking even with a small boat. The Ranger handles the load the best overall even with it's lack of power. The shorter truck chassis best controls tongue weight and it rarely bottoms out in and out of driveways. The Dodge van is my last choice for several reasons, for one, the huge overhang makes it very sensitive to tongue weight, the general lack of weight over the rear wheels means it gets stuck on wet grass, and then there's the lack of visibility and it's shear size makes maneuvering in tight places a hassle.
None are 4 wheel drive and I've never felt the need to have 4 wheel drive.

I did get the chance to drive a 2003 Trailblazer a few months ago and was surprised at how well it handled a trailer but was shocked at the fuel mileage. I towed a 17' trihull on a 1100 mile trip, total trailer weight was probably about 2200 lbs, it was on a single axle trailer which normally is pulled by a Ford Ranger. The TB handled great, stopped fine, and had good power. My two biggest complaints were interior room and fuel mileage.
At 6'4 I was severely cramped up in the drivers seat.
Mileage was terrible, the TB had 23,000 miles on the odometer, and is well maintained, it averaged 12.2 mpg on the whole trip, which was mostly all highway driving. Around town driving once we got there was even worse.
The trip home was without the trailer, and it averaged a whopping 13.7 MPG with nearly all of that being at highway speeds. What surprised me most is that I'm the sort of driver who normally gets better than average mileage.

I had considered buying a clean used TB to replace my Ranger with, but with mileage like that, even for around town driving the fuel cost would be more than noticeable.

When is comes to towing anything, a lot of how safe the rig is also depends on who's at the wheel. Even a perfectly set up tow vehicle and trailer can be a nightmare in the hands of a novice.
I've towed enclosed trailers and RVs all over the country, mostly with 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickups, from experience, what it comes down to is knowing how to handle the rig your driving, every set up handles different, and no vehicle will handle the same with a trailer as it would without. You also need to know how to load your trailer so it can be pulled safely.
I've seen far too may boats loaded so as to be easy to move around the yard by hand and not so as to tow properly. A balanced trailer which you can lift and roll around the driveway by hand with a 24' cabin boat will not be safe or handle properly at highway speeds regardless of what your pulling it with.

A good thing to remember is to never out drive your brakes. A lot of problems can also be avoided by simply slowing down. I can't count how many times I've seen small SUV's on the highway flying along at 80 mph plus with the boat in tow swaying line to line.
 

10 FOOT INVADER

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Re: Wheel base - Mini Van versus Trailblazer

I like to tow our 20 foot monterey with a 1990 lincoln t-car. Plenty of power and will stop just fine with trailor brakes. Added a trans cooler to cool the tranny and put a large heater core in the cooling system mounted in front of the radiator just behind the grill. No tow vehicle will be safe from the dumb @$$ that wants to pull out in front of you just to stop and turn.
 
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