What would you do-Workers Comp

Kenneth Brown

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Heres the situation- About a month ago my unit recieved an offender that had chicken pox. It was discovered after he was there a couple of days. He was shipped out to a medical unit. The unit then quarintined app 30 offenders who where exposed to him ie known exposure for lengthy amounts of time. Theonly staff allowed in the area where the ones who have had chicken pox or had been vaccinated. Fast forward three weeks. An offender not in the quarintined area develops the chicken pox. This offender works for me directly so we have quite a bit of close contact. They again quarintine a group of offenders. I myself have never had chicken pox and have NOT been vaccinated. That places me at risk of developing the diseise. That also means I may expose others to it. I have policy that says that I should be quarintined and placed on workers comp till its clear I'm clean. My administration (maybe not at the unit level but I believe WAY higher up) does not wish to allow the affected employees the time off for quarintine at the states expense. Now see the poll.<br /><br /><br />Thoughts after the post. A greivance takes about 20 days to be finalized, thats more than the incubation period. Worker comp comm could get almost immediate results. Of course no reason I couldn't do both.
 

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Re: What would you do-Workers Comp

Might consider workmens comp. If grievance didnt work. Ihave already had it. I guess we can go fishing for 14 days. :D :D crappie or catfish? :confused:
 

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We'll have to take one yes vote off of everything. I made it like everyone else does where ya have to vote to see the results. It makes me vote too. Go figure.
 

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File a greviance for what? You didn't state that anyone told you one way or the other. I think your comment was: My administration (maybe not at the unit level but I believe WAY higher up) does not wish to allow the affected employees the time off for quarintine at the states expense. Is it the time off or the WC claim that your have a greviance over?<br /><br />I'm just not clear on it. Did they tell you that under no circumstances you could file and it would just be unpaid leave?<br /><br />As for WC being the states expense.... your company (like all companies) pay into that fund for that very purpose, it's the fund that will pay the claim, the fund is funded by the corporations (and other sources).
 

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Or is the greviance for being quarantined?
 

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I re-re-re-re-read it... I think it's this:<br /><br />you have a policy that states quarantine/WC claim.... but you *think* that someone way high up doesn't like that?<br /><br />Let me know if I'm heading in the right direction.<br /><br />I'm not sure if you have a greviance, as it's based upon your belief that they don't like it, not a memo or direct conversation with someone. I certainly wouldn't greviance heresay or feelings, I would wait for a comment contrary to policy.<br /><br />Sorry for the two previous postings, it had me stumped.
 

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Re: What would you do-Workers Comp

If you have a written policy to go on w/comp, then do it.<br />File the claim. Done.<br />Then let the brass fight it, deny it, contest a written article of your union contract, whatever they want to do. <br /><br />If you don't follow the obligations of the contract, you can/will be denied and claim for damages to yourself or others you may infect. You may actually be held responsible for not taking approriate actions when you are a known risk to others. I wonder how happy they would be if you infected half the guards at your facility and they all went out on medical? <br /><br />I don't know if being vaccinated after exposure to pox is effective. That is a question for your medical provider.<br /><br />I can't believe they would allow you to work in that environment without being vaccinated against everything. What is wrong with those guys?
 

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As a public servant, you are required to serve & protect ......Not save the state money....I think that this is a public safety issue & should be treated as such.....I think you should get the time off immediately with pay....Administrative leave, I think they call it....A sticky situation at the very least....Good Luck!....JK
 

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KB <br />I dont think WC will pay for time off/quarintine to see if you have Chicken Pox. That would be covered by Sick Pay/Administrative Leave which would be an expence to the state. WC would take over when you come down with some symptoms. Providing you can prove contraction was work related. Other wise its a doctor and insurance thing. My .02
 

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /><br /><br />I can't believe they would allow you to work in that environment without being vaccinated against everything. What is wrong with those guys?
What Roscoe said.
 

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If it is in your policy and procedure book then the higher ups can't change that in the middle of the stream.<br />Now if you aren't showing any symptoms yet then they are under no obligations to let you off.<br />When and if you show symptoms then you will be granted the time off per policy.<br />Here in our corrections dept you can't work here unless you have been vaccinated for such disease.
 

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This is a real "sticky whicket", Ken.<br />I have had run-ins with werkers comp that did not go well until i had consulted my primary care physician and an attourney.<br />And then, it took over a year!<br />Werkers comp is usually farmed-out to a third-party insurance carrier (ours was FISCO Group), by employers. This adds another layer of "fun" to a process that is already a real party!<br /><br />I best not discuss the minutia of my case (the PI's are everywhere), but rest assured, your employer is concerned about your health---after their concern for the bottom line, and further liabilities. They will wiegh the threat of liability with their risk, then make a decision based-upon "cheapest way to dispose of the case"--That would be YOU.<br />My advice (be it a different situation with different liabilities) would be to document EVERYTHING, and consult a lawyer yesterday.<br />Do not expect "werker's comp" to representr your best interests. They are not paid by you. They are paid by a third party insurer, who's main interest are for those who pay them, while providing their "services" as cheaply as humanly (not humanely) possible.<br />In the meantime, my prayers are with you and an infection-free incubation period.
 

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I too hope you don't get sick. But I am surprised that you don't have every vaccine under the sun. It is typical in jobs for responders and those in contact with incarcerated persons that we be vaccinated for everything.<br /><br />If I got sick through the negligence of my employer who knew better and should have done everything to protect me, I wouldn't have a greivance, I would have a lawsuit. Accidents happen, but carlessness is a liability. Now compare that to your situation... a lawsuit only applies when there is a victim, if you miss work then you are a victim, but suing your employer for a couple of weeks of missed work may not be worth it.<br /><br />I'll just hope you don't get sick, you decide to get immunized, and life goes on.
 
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OK, I'll try to summerize it for you a little better. I havr a copy of the policy issued by TDCJ Health Services Division. It states : H. Close contacts of a case of chicken pox who do not live on the same cell block or dormitory (work assignment or classroom exposure with more than 1 hour of close contact within 2 days prior to rash onset) should be managed in the same way as outlined for other contacts above. They should be transferred to the quarintined housing area if possible, or their housing area should also be placed under quarintine.. This also applies to staff who are exposed to the case.<br /><br />Then we have the notice required by Texas Administrative Code,TITLE 28 INSURANCE <br />PART 2 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, DIVISION OF WORKERS' COMPENSATION <br />CHAPTER 110 REQUIRED NOTICES OF COVERAGE <br />SUBCHAPTER B EMPLOYER NOTICES <br />RULE §110.108 Employer Notice Regarding Work-Related Exposure to Communicable Disease/HIV: Posting Requirements; Payment for Tests <br /><br />It states:(a) Each employer covered by workers' compensation insurance, including state and political subdivision employers, which employ emergency medical service employees, paramedics, fire fighters, law enforcement officers or correctional officers must post the notice contained in subsection (d) of this section, in its workplace to inform employees about Health and Safety Code requirements which may affect qualifying for workers' compensation benefits following a work-related exposure to a reportable communicable disease. The notice shall be posted in the personnel office, if the employer has a personnel office, and in the workplace where employees are likely to read the notice on a regular basis. Specific guidance for employers and employees covered by this subsection is found in §122.3 of this title (relating to Exposure to Communicable Diseases: Reporting and Testing Requirements for Emergency Responders). <br /><br />(b) Each state agency must post the notice contained in subsection (d) of this section, in its workplace to inform employees about requirements which may affect qualifying for workers' compensation benefits following a work-related exposure to human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). The notice shall be posted in the personnel office and in the workplace where employees are likely to read the notice on a regular basis. Specific guidance for state employers and employees covered by this subsection is found in §122.4 of this title (relating to State Employees: Exposed to Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV): Reporting and Testing Requirements). <br /><br />(c) The cost of testing for exposure to a reportable communicable disease for emergency medical service employees, paramedics, fire fighters, law enforcement officers and correctional officers shall be paid by the employer's workers' compensation insurance carrier, including state and political subdivision employers. <br /><br />In the notice it says:<br />TO: Law Enforcement Officers, Fire Fighters, Emergency Medical Service Employees, Paramedics, and Correctional Officers -<br /><br />In order to qualify for workers' compensation benefits, an employee who claims a possible work-related exposure to a reportable disease, including HIV infection, must be tested for the disease not later than the 10th day after the exposure and must provide their employer with documentation of the test and a sworn affidavit of the date and circumstances of the exposure. The test result must indicate the absence of the disease. The employee is not required to pay for the test. <br /><br />Reportable diseases are those communicable diseases and health conditions required to be reported to the Texas Department of Health. Exposure criteria and testing protocol must conform to Texas Department of Health requirements.<br /><br /><br />As far as what I "know" was said I don't. I wasn't there when the phone conversation took place. It was explained to me that everyone on the unit level supported me being quarintined. TDCJ legal affairs said that I should not be, in violation of written policy, at least thats the story I got from 2 supervisors.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />I originally wasn't gonna post this stuff but some of you don't understand what I am talking about so I clarified it better. I'm sure that I'm not the only one that works for TDCJ in the entire Iboats world. This has probably amounted to political suicide posting all of this too. They like to appear to be squkey (sp?) clean and never do wrong. In the end I think I'm gonna go ahead and contact my doctor for the test to show that I don't have it already, file my workers comp paperwork, prepare my greivance,and let them deal with it. Oh ya, start looking for a new job too cause you KNOW they ain't gonna let me stick around after they are proven wrong.
 

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Re: What would you do-Workers Comp

As a side note I just thought about- The reason (I believe) that they don't want to quarintine staff is because there are a lot of us who have been exposed. My dept is small with 7 employees. Only 3 of the 7 have had the desiese or vaccine. That leaves those 3 to do all 7 peoples job.
 

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Kenneth,<br /><br />If I repeat what the others have stated, I apologize as I did not read the entire thread.<br /><br />I answered yes to 1,2,3 and no to 4. You should do everything to protect yourself in a situation like this. If you get chicken pox with no complications, then it is no big deal. However, and please read this carefully, chicken pox can, in very rare occasions lead to things much more dangerous including stroke and heart attack to name a few. If you happen to have an adverse reaction to the chicken pox besides the cool red spots and the scratching, it is best to protect yourself and your family.<br /><br />John
 

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As I have read more of the posts, I see what others have stated. I agree with allowing the "brass" to fight it out. You absolutely have to get something officially filed. Whether it be a grievance, a report to the WC, your doctor, does not matter. Get your concerns in writing with someone and get a copy of it. Chances are, nothing other than a regular immune response will happen, but if it is worse, and you did not file, you may be on your own. Protect your own personal interests, because those you think are protecting them, are only protecting yours after their own.<br /><br />Good Luck.
 

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What you said is way more true than many realize. My paperwork for WC goes in in the morning and I gotta find a doctor to do the test. I've made just enough of an a$$ of myself that there is NO WAY they can say they didn't know if I infect someone.
 

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It sucks to be a working person in Texas, you will find that WC is nothing but a battle of beaureaucartic red tape, luck to you on this one.
 
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