what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

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what is in marine gear oil that makes it special?

I have always been told oil is oil and that's it so can you put regular car or motorcycle gear oil in your lower unit or not?
 
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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

when you add "marine" to the label of any product you can bump the price up at least 20%
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Here is a little background for you: When cars first started to use under-slung drive shafts and rear ends to lower the body and still have a small hump in the floor, the manufacturers went to a specially cut gear called Hypoid. Your lower unit gears while not exactly hypoid cut are very similar and have a very high pressure when meshed. Rear-end oil or Hypoid oil as it came to be known is an extreme pressure lubricant which will not break down or be pressed out from between the meshed gear teeth.

ALL oil in the range 85-105 is the same, using sulfur compounds to generate the pressure resistance.

Marine grade does have more anti-foam and corrosion resistant compounds added. These emulsify and keep water suspended in the oil, causing the milky white color.

IF you never get a leak or have any water enter your lower unit, you certainly can use regular automotive lube. On the other hand, if you do get some water entrained---isn't it worth a couple of bucks more?
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Don't do it. . Just introduce a little water to the lower unit, and watch the magic. Automotive gear oils will foam up like crazy...sort of like honey mustard salad dressing.
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Here is a little background for you: When cars first started to use under-slung drive shafts and rear ends to lower the body and still have a small hump in the floor, the manufacturers went to a specially cut gear called Hypoid. Your lower unit gears while not exactly hypoid cut are very similar and have a very high pressure when meshed. Rear-end oil or Hypoid oil as it came to be known is an extreme pressure lubricant which will not break down or be pressed out from between the meshed gear teeth.

ALL oil in the range 85-105 is the same, using sulfur compounds to generate the pressure resistance.

Marine grade does have more anti-foam and corrosion resistant compounds added. These emulsify and keep water suspended in the oil, causing the milky white color.

IF you never get a leak or have any water enter your lower unit, you certainly can use regular automotive lube. On the other hand, if you do get some water entrained---isn't it worth a couple of bucks more?

Couldn't have said it better. You can pay a little now or potentially a lot later... your call.
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

well im not endorsing any idea as right or wrong but the same exact arguments are made about motorcycle diferentials and they say they require the exact same anti-foaming and water suspension properties as outboards do. they get water from road mist riding in the rain, not just from leaking seals.

the motorcycle manufacturers say that almost all gear oil sold today meets the higher hypoid standards so the issues were related to the older class of oils that have been replaced by the new class that is specificly designed to meet the anti-foaming and water suspension properties.

every time I turn around I read something that leaves me with a 50/50 yes or no decision and its a coin flip in my mind if it makes any difference so THE only thing it always comes back to is nobody really knows for sure so spend the extra money just in case it might make a difference.

I was always told if its gl-5 hypoid oil you are protected and that's all that matters, beyond that buy it where ever you want and pay whatever you want for it but only the labels are different not the oil. (I don't know how true it is, but that's what I hear from experienced mechanics and repair shops)

opinions vary but I was hoping somewhere someone could say "this ingredient is in the marine gear oil and that's why its better" but I just cant find anything to point to like that.

for me its a lot more then a choice of spending more its also I have a 45 minute ride to the nearest boat dealer to get it because IF I am buying marine oil, it sure aint gonna be wally world brand, it will be the brand name of my or another outboard. so for me its the 45 minute ride plus the extra $ makes it more then a simple choice of what to use.

bottom line is I still have nothing to cause me to decide one way or the other if it is a feel good thing or something that really gives you better protection. its like asking the car salesman if you should buy the car, what else do you expect him to say but yes. marine dealers want you to buy their oil and they make money off of it but cant tell you what you are getting for that purchase, they say the same thing about the engine oil too but how many of you out there are using mercury or evinrude engine oil in your crankcase?

in all my searching for answers to what HAS TO BE brand specific or for marine use specific, the only thing I found proof you should buy only brand named product is with the oil filters because the pressure valves in them are specific to the motors oil pressures and the casings are made of aluminum or ss so they don't rust.
 
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If it's simply a matter of driving somewhere to get the oil just have it shipped. You can probably find the marine oil online for a better price than the marina anyway. The little brown truck will bring it right to your house.
I live in a rural area and I pretty much order everything. It saves a lot of gas. I did all my Christmas shopping without leaving the house.
 

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If it's simply a matter of driving somewhere to get the oil just have it shipped.

well obviously but its more then just that, I want to know why am I going to all that trouble and why it is necessary, other then just letting someone make lots of money by rebranding generic oil they take out of a 55 gallon drum in the warehouse?

not saying its a better solution, but there is an auto store 100 yards from my house I could walk to and buy regular gl-5 hypoid gear oil. it just doesn't have a pretty little picture of an outboard motor on the bottle but other then the picture of the outboard motor or the word "marine" on it I still don't know why that oil is any different then the other oil that is also meeting all the same exact standards that are listed.

im not trying to make a case one way or the other, im just looking for a real reason other then "just to be safe" or why risk it" because I like to know why im doing things and not just going along with anything a dealer/ parts man/ salesman with an agenda and reason to lie says I should do.

I just don't see "special additive X49-JY is in this bottle for giving you your marine protection" or anything like that. AFAIK if its in the bottle it has to be listed and I don't see anything different or "special" listed as making that oil different
 
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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Well, what do you really have against Wal-Mart Tech brand oil? The TWC-3 actually rated up high on the quality scale with a better additive package than some of the branded oils. I don't know about the lower unit oil but it seems to me that Wal-Mart would want the same quality. I have no qualms about using either and regularly do in all my engines. There is a lot to be said about not wasting money. Mind the pennies and the dollars will follow.
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Ask google. They/it knows everything
 

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The antifoaming and EPA(extreme pressure additives) is really the only difference as a axle or transmission runs in a vented state and gearcase a sealed state. That why if you use the cheap 80w90 and check it it looks contaminated and "baby crap yellow" as its areated and areated oil does not perform well. High loads and exhaust temps cause oils to decompose(turn black) and stink(hydrogen sulfide)
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Well, what do you really have against Wal-Mart Tech brand oil?

everything I see from walmart seams to be rejected "didn't meet manufacturers specs" rebranded as walmart brand stuff.

I might trust it in my lawn mower but not my outboard.

I don't have issues with "name brand" stuff sold at walmart but again I try to be more selective about the boat since its a lot harder to find a ride home when your boat stops working. last time I looked it wasn't easy to hitch hike home from the marsh canals lol.

as for walmart quality, walmart hasn't cared anything about the quality of anything it is selling or trying to give good customer service or relations and it has been getting worse and worse over the years
 
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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

bottom line is I don't see any reason I NEED to use marine gear oil but I also don't see any reason I DONT need to use marine gear oil so I will stick with the marine stuff but I don't think I will bother with Yamaha or Suzuki oil and just go with a known brand name marine grade gear oil from walmart or internet source
 

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Well, if you are going to quote me, at least use the whole paragraph. Context is everything.

It is your right to feel as you do about Wal mart products and I respect that right.

Me? I intend to keep on saving money using their Super Tech brand oils which for over ten years now have done the job in my multiple engines, both boat and car.
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Well, if you are going to quote me, at least use the whole paragraph. Context is everything.

fair enough

Well, what do you really have against Wal-Mart Tech brand oil? The TWC-3 actually rated up high on the quality scale with a better additive package than some of the branded oils. I don't know about the lower unit oil but it seems to me that Wal-Mart would want the same quality. I have no qualms about using either and regularly do in all my engines. There is a lot to be said about not wasting money. Mind the pennies and the dollars will follow.

im not saying seper tech isn't good im just saying I don't think walmart cares about what they sell or whats in it as long as they make money.

if a reliable source confirms its high quality then I have no problem buying and using it but im not going to assume a non name brand oil is of high quality without some form of documentation saying it is.

everything is relative to price point and available choices so it comes down to a selection of products based on brand and price and since walmarts in my area don't ever seam to restock anything, they pretty much decided to dictate that you have little to no choice in which products they put on the shelf for you to buy unless you order it online.
 

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A long while ago, someone on this forum posted a reply with charts showing various oils and how they compared. These charts were (I believe) from a reputable testing company. That is what I was referencing. I suppose that if you were interested enough that particular post could be found or perhaps even someone on the forum would remember it.

And you do seem correct about restocking: The Wal-Marts in my area are spotty as to whether or not they carry marine grade lower unit oil and bearing grease. Thus, when it is on the shelves, I stock-up.
 
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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

A long while ago, someone on this forum posted a reply with charts showing various oils and how they compared. These charts were (I believe) from a reputable testing company. That is what I was referencing. I suppose that if you were interested enough that particular post could be found or perhaps even someone on the forum would remember it.

And you do seem correct about restocking: The Wal-Marts in my area are spotty as to whether or not they carry marine grade lower unit oil and bearing grease. Thus, when it is on the shelves, I stock-up.

something with great info like that should have been made a sticky
 

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Re: what is the difference in marine gear oil vs regular automotive gear oil?

Here is a copy of the gear oil test article that was in Bass and Walleye Boats Magazine a few years ago.



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great info and it seams mobile 1 automotive gear oil does a lot better in the tests then the Yamalube oil my Suzuki recommends and it looks like Evinrude HPF-XR comes out as the best overall yet they still recommend ignoring the results and use the manufacturers recommended oil.

I just wish they would have better explained exactly which mobile 1 gear oil they were testing, was it the regular or synthetic gear oil they used for the test. I would assume it was regular oil since non of the marine gear oils tested were synthetic.

lots to think about, in fact based on the results of those tests it shows no real distinct benefit to using "marine" gear oil over the standard automotive grade mobile 1 gear oil
 
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