What is it?

aborgman

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Re: What is it?

Found two small plates that used to be riveted to the inside of the transom. Plates read as follows

M 45-12230-P

F-12425
 

aborgman

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Re: What is it?

Some more pictures/info

The two found plates (M 45-12230-P on left, F-12425 on right) :

2plates.jpg



Original plate locations (see red arrows):
platelocation.jpg



Pictures of various caps:

nosecaptop.jpg

nosecapbottom.jpg

rearcornercaptop.jpg

rearcornercapbottom.jpg
 

aborgman

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Re: What is it?

continued...


Caps....
dashendcap.jpg



Windscreen
(attachment and logo - "Water Bonnet"):

windscreenattachment.jpg

windscreenlogo.jpg



Bilge/Transom/Splashwell :

bilge.jpg

bilgedrainoutside.jpg

transom-splashwell-inside.jpg
 

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continued....

Splashwell (note odd metal bracket where motor clamps down):

wierdtransomplate.jpg



Under footwell floor (pic 1 from above, pic 2 looking from bow towards stern):

underfootwellfloorremoved.jpg

centerfloorsupport.jpg



Underside of bow deck:

undersidedeck.jpg
 

aborgman

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Re: What is it?

Detail bits (speedo, steering wheel, steering wheel center cap):

speedometer.jpg

steeringwheel.jpg

steeringwheelcap.jpg
 

aborgman

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Re: What is it?

Still haven't found a match for this thing...

Hull shape, seating, and windscreen attachment look like Crestliner.

Transom looks a little like Crestliner, but not quite right.

Caps look like nothing on anything I've found.

Rub rail running around interior of gunwales looks like a some Alumacrafts.

...this is a real stumper. Never expected it to be so hard to figure out what it is.
 

reelfishin

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Re: What is it?

Are there any makes or models up in Canada that we don't see down here?
Maybe a northern variation?
 

aborgman

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Are there any makes or models up in Canada that we don't see down here?
Maybe a northern variation?

None that I know of... but considering how hard it has been to find out what it is, it may have been made in Outer Slobovia.
 

aborgman

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Newest features...

Possible original deck color - sort of a metallic bronze color:

DSCF6706.jpg



Possible logo rivet holes (exist in same position on both sides):

nameplateholes.jpg


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Re: What is it?

Probably where a PO or the manufacturer installed a plate to paint or adhere the registration numbers to.

I've tried ebay/boats, boat trader, Google image search and a few other places but this one's a doosie.:confused:
 

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I've tried ebay/boats, boat trader, Google image search and a few other places but this one's a doosie.:confused:

It really is...

I've tried:

iboats
Michigan Sportsman
feathercraft.net
theclassicboathouse.com
fiberglassics.com
tinboats.net

...and so far no one has been able to ID it.

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aborgman

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Transom detail - notice that aluminum sides stick 1/4" past transom aluminum skin -

transombuildup.jpg


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I'm taking a wild guess, but the strake, the hull supports and especially the crimp / weld seam on the transom remind me of my old Meyers 12' fishing rig. They've made aluminum boats since '45...but I couldn't tell you if they made runabouts.

Michigan based in Adrian....(me too, Portage)

EDIT: I went out and checked my 12', and sure enough, the ID tag number starts with M. My boat isn't as old, but has an aluminum "sticker" not plate. Serial isn't as long as yours, but similar. There's a good chance it's made by Meyers. The transom shape (easy radius corners) and the welded / crimp seam are almost identical.

Edit II: Indeed, doing a model check, they made runabouts for quite a few years. Today they just make V's and Jon's, or canoes, but up through the 80's they made runabouts and bass boats too.
 

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Re: What is it?

I cant tell you much other than it does resemble the crestliner pics you posted quite a bit and the windshield is mounted the same way as the one on my 64 Crestliner Del Rio although that doesnt mean they were all done that way back then :D.


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Although it has many of the same design features as a Crestliner, I've not seen an aluminum Crestliner with that shape or style bow.
Also, the Crestliner aluminum boats from that era all had a row of rivets running up high at an angle between the side rib and the bow plate.

One brand that first came to mind when I first saw it was an Arkansas Traveler, but I can't put my finger on why other than it's basic shape.
The made aluminum boats back then as well.

I am still leaning towards it being a retailer branded boat of some sort, to the likes of Sea King, Elgin, or similar. I don't see any obvious points of emblem attachment and that's fairly common with rebadged boats for some reason.

Also, it's history may lead to some clues as to where it's been, if it's been in your area for a long time, chances are it could be a local sold or local made boat. Every area seems to have it's favorites as well as many area specific brands.

For instance, Crestliner, Arkansas Traveler, and Texas Maid boats are pretty rare in this area, but MFG, Starcraft, Lowe, and Alumacraft are abundant. They were just brands that had a good local dealer network, and have had for years here. Also, since NJ has a gas motor ban in most freshwater, we don't see many small runabouts, the most common boat is either an aluminum jon boat or open V hull or a larger bay boat or center console.

I must say you've got me more than curious as to what that is, that barrel joint or crimp joint at the transom could be a clue but I suppose it may just be an older style of attaching the panels. That type of joint was bad for holding moisture and corroding in saltwater areas. I had an old, small Feathercraft that had that style seam too but that boat was from the early to mid 50's and much smaller.

What caught my eye first on your boat is the shape of the bow, it's far sleeker looking than most others it's age.
 

aborgman

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Although it has many of the same design features as a Crestliner, I've not seen an aluminum Crestliner with that shape or style bow.

I thought the Crestliner Falcon had a pretty similar bow shape:

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Also, the Crestliner aluminum boats from that era all had a row of rivets running up high at an angle between the side rib and the bow plate.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean - have a picture by chance?

One brand that first came to mind when I first saw it was an Arkansas Traveler, but I can't put my finger on why other than it's basic shape.
The made aluminum boats back then as well.

Every Arkansas Traveler I've seen has a much steeper (closer to vertical) angle to the bow.

I am still leaning towards it being a retailer branded boat of some sort, to the likes of Sea King, Elgin, or similar. I don't see any obvious points of emblem attachment and that's fairly common with rebadged boats for some reason.

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me...

Also, it's history may lead to some clues as to where it's been, if it's been in your area for a long time, chances are it could be a local sold or local made boat. Every area seems to have it's favorites as well as many area specific brands.

For instance, Crestliner, Arkansas Traveler, and Texas Maid boats are pretty rare in this area, but MFG, Starcraft, Lowe, and Alumacraft are abundant. They were just brands that had a good local dealer network, and have had for years here. Also, since NJ has a gas motor ban in most freshwater, we don't see many small runabouts, the most common boat is either an aluminum jon boat or open V hull or a larger bay boat or center console.

Here in Michigan it seems like just about everything is abundant... while driving around the other night I saw (...and it's scary how many old aluminum boats I can now identify) - 2x1960's Starcrafts, a late 50's/early '60s Feathercraft, an early Rinkerbuilt glass boat, and what I think was a Cherokee... plus about 25 jonboats of unknown provenance.

...and that is just driving through the main area of the Milford/Highland area for about 30 minutes and seeing boats parked in peoples yards...

I must say you've got me more than curious as to what that is, that barrel joint or crimp joint at the transom could be a clue but I suppose it may just be an older style of attaching the panels. That type of joint was bad for holding moisture and corroding in saltwater areas. I had an old, small Feathercraft that had that style seam too but that boat was from the early to mid 50's and much smaller.

What caught my eye first on your boat is the shape of the bow, it's far sleeker looking than most others it's age.

Yeah - it definitely has less vertical, sleeker bow shape than most of the aluminum boats from that era.

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aborgman

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I'm taking a wild guess, but the strake, the hull supports and especially the crimp / weld seam on the transom remind me of my old Meyers 12' fishing rig. They've made aluminum boats since '45...but I couldn't tell you if they made runabouts.

Michigan based in Adrian....(me too, Portage)

EDIT: I went out and checked my 12', and sure enough, the ID tag number starts with M. My boat isn't as old, but has an aluminum "sticker" not plate. Serial isn't as long as yours, but similar. There's a good chance it's made by Meyers. The transom shape (easy radius corners) and the welded / crimp seam are almost identical.

Edit II: Indeed, doing a model check, they made runabouts for quite a few years. Today they just make V's and Jon's, or canoes, but up through the 80's they made runabouts and bass boats too.

Hmmm... Meyers is one I hadn't even thought of... and they are rather local (of course so are about a million other post WW2 aluminum boat companies) - any idea where I can find some old catalog/photos of 50's/60's Meyers? Their website doesn't really have anything other than their current for sale lineup.

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Re: What is it?

It's a cherokee. I have a 1961 with the original 75 seahorse johnson.They were built in Kingsport.Mine is 16' ,has the tags on the transom,I'll have to find them.Started restoration last week.I'll try and get some pics tomorrow so you can verify my conclusions.If you find any information on the company please let me know .I found a picture from 1946 and that's about it.
 

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I'd love to see some pictures. It doesn't look like any of the Cherokee boats I've been able to find photos of, but then - I haven't been able to find much.

I did read somewhere that Cherokees had the two oval number plates like I found, but I haven't seen any evidence.
 

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Whatever it is, it has some of the sweetest, slickest, lines I've seen! ;)
 
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