Vulgarity

[txswinner]

Thought a new thread tailing from Flyrods Conn. school fine for using "F" word in school was appropriate.<br /><br />The penalty for language should be the same for any one that is disrespectful or disruptive to a group of people. Maybe the school can not uphold a fine but I see no reason not to have punishment and it should be legal.<br /><br />Some things, for various reasons should not be said in public (even if not dangerous)ie<br /><br />Try "FIRE" in a theater. "BOMB" at the airport. "F U" to a policeman. and it goes on. All these will draw you a fine and even some may get you in jail.<br /><br />How about somemore legal censureship thoughts out there.

 

[sangerwaker]

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Yup, like censoring certain individuals right there on this forum for example.....

 

[txswinner]

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You too sanger or are you referring to me. HEhehe

 

[POINTER94]

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Maybe if the teacher felt threatened?

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Yep, thats what we need "Foul Mouth Patrolmen" Get a ticket for your foul mouth and then have to see a "Foul Mouth Judge"

 

[AK_Chappy]

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"John Spartan, you are fined...John Spartan, you are fined....John Spartan, you are fined..."<br /><br />I love that movie! <br /><br />I personally think the school can uphold the fines. It is just like getting fined at work. Business' and schools have the right to set their own internal policies.<br /> In public though...I dunno. Who would define what is and isn't a fineable offense? I don't think it would go over and too many politicians will vote "not for", not exactly "against" it, but not for it either. People are going to argue that it is "free speech." But, like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. There is a difference between a "right" and a "privilege." The Right to Free Speech has to do with expressing your opinions. Every person in the U.S. has the right to express their opinion without fear of being oppressed. What they don't have the "right" to do is to use offensive, obscene, or provoking type language to do so.<br /><br />Just my interpretation though. <br /><br />AK Chappy

 

[Wimperdink]

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Have we really forgotten where the line is between right and wrong morally? It used to be so very clear. I'm not a saint by anymeans and being former navy, I used to cuss like a sailor, but not in school, church, court, infront of mom, etc etc.

 

[txswinner]

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Exactly right Pointer, if a remark is threatening it is illegal whether in school or not and there are laws to enforce this that are quite well enforced.<br /><br />Wimperdink, you are so on point. To use language that is disrespectful needs control. Cuss in court at a judge and see what happens.<br /><br />I do not see this as censureship but rather a situation to avoid ones trampling anothers rights, would the works jig a boo, kike, squent, gook, jap, spick be acceptable as well.

 

[jtexas]

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You can't control a person's thoughts, opinions, morals, but you can control their behavior. It's why we have things like prisons, fines & penalties, salaries & bonuses, tax deductions, etc.<br /><br />My boss couldn't care less whether I'm a racist, but if I behave like one at work I'm gonna get fired.<br /><br />The school principal may hope that children behave appropriately because "it's the right thing to do", but all she can control is the behavior.

 

[txswinner]

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jTexas, hope we give the principal the leeway to control it.

 

[POINTER94]

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It is my contention that F-you is a threat. Forceable sex/sodomy is illegal in all states. Threatening it should be illegal.

 

[ehenry]

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Most everyone here came up when corporal punishment was still used in school....If we swore at a teacher the teacher drug us out in the hall and gave us licks then sent us to the principal and the principal gave us licks THEN when we got home one of our parent tore our butts up and we didnt swear at the teacher anymore.

 

[JB]

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What EF said.

 

[txswinner]

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Where did respect lose out to rights?

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Where did respect lose out to rights?

Most probably when it became wrong to behave in a respectful manner

 

[LadyFish]

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Originally posted by Vlad D Impeller:<br />

Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Where did respect lose out to rights?

Most probably when it became wrong to behave in a respectful manner

Touche Vlad.

 

[ehenry]

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We had to wear school whoopins for way less than swearing at a teacher. I imagine if we cussed a teacher back when I was in school they'd have just taken us out back and shot us ! ! <br /><br />You just didnt do that when I was in school. Now a days I imagine if a kid hit the teacher with a spitball they'd be hauled out by the cops in handcuffs and be charged with battery or some crap like that.<br /><br />Worst whoopin I ever had to wear in school was for flickin a big cornflake booger at Alan Greenwaldt for shooting at me with folded over pieces of paper from a rubber band. He ducked the booger and it drilled the teacher right in the cheek. She was so grossed out she sent me to the office. Mr. Greene broke his paddle on me, then when I went home at noon (i got out at noon for work) Daddy tore me up then put me in a 128 acre cotton field pulling cuckleburs up in 100 degree heat! If any of yall have tried to pull cuckleburs you know what i'm talking about. Needless to say I didnt flick cornflake boogers at anyone in school anymore.<br /><br />I guess where I'm going here, and some of you may disagree, BUT it all rests squarely on the parents and how they raise their kids. If you dont teach them respect for adults when they're young they wont ever have any and it will haunt the kid and the parents for a long time to come. The last thing I want out of somebody's kid (I dont care who's kid) is them calling me by my given name and saying yeah, uh huh, such as that. I can promise you if any of you were to meet my boy you'd get plenty of yes sir's, no sir's, yes'mam and no'mams. He'd be calling you Mr. JB, Mr. Vlad, Ms. Ladyfish. He knows if he doesn't I'll be climbing up on his 6 foot 210 pound a$$ and wearing on it.

 

[LadyFish]

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You're exactly right ef, and "freedom of speech" dosen't have a lick to do with repsect.

 

[ehenry]

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Its about rights too, the kids have a right to the privilege of an education and the faculty and staff have the right to be treated with respect while they're giving the education.

 

[QC]

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My oldest son got sent home from school when he was in 6th grade for calling a kid a fag. I was here when he got home and he came storming into my office and says "Dad, would somebody just tell me what that means? Some kid told me it was sticks or something." So I actually felt really good that I had insulated him this long, but I was also angry at the school for ultimately forcing me to explain.<br /><br />ef,<br /><br />The use of yes sir and yes ma'am is virtually non-existent on the West Coast. I am sure that comes as no surprise. Anyway, my dad moved to Texas when I was 6 and I of course visited, and I also spent one year when I was 10 living with him. My stepmother trained my brother and me to say yes sir and yes ma'am on the first drive out. I can turn it on and off depending on where I am. My kids would rarely if ever say that, and have probably only heard it from me and in movies/TV. I just asked two 10 year olds if they would ever say that, and they looked at me funny and the only coherent answer I could get out of them was "if I was in a war".