Vulcarity

[QC]

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Well . . . hmmmmmm. Not going so well. Some wonderful posts though. I have to say Pointers was as clear as anyone could be . . . JasonJ all over it too.<br /><br />On the age leads to wisdom thing . . . I am dealing with this a lot right now. I've got a 17 year old. I asked him a couple of days ago "do you know more about life than you did 10 years ago?" He said yes. And "do you think you will know more in 10 years than you do now?" Well uhhh, yes, he replied . . . I have to give him credit for being honest with his answers, but the ultimate conclusion is pretty obvious . . .

 

[ZmOz]

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And how old are you, Quietcat? You'll know more in 10 years won't you? And Kenneth, don't you think you'll know more in 10 years? Jason? Pointer? Are you going to know more in 10 years?<br /><br />So does that mean you're all stupid right now too? Where do you draw the line? When does somebody start to know everything like you guys do? 25? 30? 40? Age means nothing if the person is stupid to begin with.<br /><br />Give me any kind of general knowlege test and I'll bet you $1000 my score will be equal to or greater than most of the people here telling me I don't know anything.<br /><br />I agree there are alot of young people that are just plain stupid and think they know everything. That doesn't mean ALL young people are this way. Saying I don't know what I'm talking about is like saying all black people are criminals just because there's alot of them in jails. (and it's no more politically correct than that either)<br /><br />You people should be ashamed.

 

[rodbolt]

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quietcat<br /> ever notice the older the kid gets the dumber you get .<br /> at age 18 I knew my dad was the dumbest human on the planet, by age 20 I had solutions and answers to problems not yet identified.<br /> then came kids,and life. by age 30 my attitude had changed a bit by age 40 its a whole new ball game.<br /> now I dont know the answers or the questions.<br /> ZmOz<br /> you have it all wrong<br /> its not the intelligence that matters, materiel things have no bearing on intelligence, if ya dont believe it look at polititians,<br /> its the wisdom with which the intelligence is applied.<br /> age has nothing to do with intelligence<br /> a shop teacher used to walk up to us, look our stuff over make a comment, some of us get older and wiser and some of us just get older, took me 20 years to finally understand that comment.<br /> so dont even think I say your opinion is wrong, to you its correct, just dont get so rigid and self rightous with your opinions it backs you into a corner that ya cannot get out of.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Z, <br />I was going to quote something above and give you a little respect. I'll still quote it:<br /><br />

Originally posted by POINTER94:<br />Demanding respect isn't the same as earning it. Your thousands of informative and insightful posts has gone a long way to earning that respect. Your proclomation of what you will and will not accept wasn't one of them. Don't sweat it, right or wrong I still make an effort to read all your posts, as they leave me feeling better for having read them. That is the type of respect you deserve because you earned it. I personally don't care if you are 12 or 90 if the information you provide is interesting. And you have proven you are a very intellegent guy.

I still agree with that, especially the part in bold.<br /><br />I know, a few people on here have given you some grief. A lot more have been respectful and politely disagreed with you. You kind of carped on us all there with this bro:<br /><br />

Originally posted by Zmoz (paraphrased):<br />....we're all broke, makin 10 bucks an hour at Kfart.<br /><br />That was a little uncalled for. You should take that part back.<br /><br />For example, I live in a 3700' house with 5 bedrooms, gourmet kitchen, etc. Market price is a little short of a million. Guess what? That doesn't mean shiat.<br /><br />Come on up next summer and we'll do some boating on the potomac and tour D.C. Just please don't cuss around my son.<br /><br />peace,<br />George

 

[ZmOz]

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Well, first of all, I missed the bottom of pointer's post, I would like to thank him for that.<br /><br />

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />I know, a few people on here have given you some grief. A lot more have been respectful and politely disagreed with you. You kind of carped on us all there with this bro:<br /><br />

Originally posted by Zmoz (paraphrased):<br />....we're all broke, makin 10 bucks an hour at Kfart.

I didn't say that. What I said is there are alot of people, much older than I am, who are clearly much less successful and knowlegeable about any subject. Some of those people are right here in this thread, telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying everyone here is that way. I'm not naming any names...those people know who they are and they should be ashamed. My point is that age is completely irrelivant, and I've had more experience in my life than many 30 year olds. None of you have the slightest idea what kind of experience I've had in my life, and alot of you are simply lumping me in with the other 20 year olds looking for jobs at burger king while they're smoking pot.<br /><br />If I put up with that kind of treatment I wouldn't be where I am right now. I have proven alot of people very wrong about their stereotypes.<br /><br />If this post was about starting your own business, most here would still be telling me I don't have a clue just because I'm 20. In reality I have more experience with that than most people will their entire lives. I also spent 13 years in the public school system, if that doesn't give me experience about the subject of this thread I don't know what does.

 

[Pony]

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Im bored so I am throwing my two cents in too......<br /><br />The constitution was written in such a way where interpretation of its meaning becomes crucial. This being said ZmOz is entitled to his own interpretation as such. Its all a battle of semantics. That being said......I still cannot agree with what you are saying ZmOz. I know you dont care wether I agree with you or not, and thats fine. I am entitled to an opinion as you have already pointed out very clearly.<br /><br />

And by the way, freedom of speech does not trump disturbing the peace. We all have the right to live in peace, and if you really honestly think you can go into a public place and start screaming and cussing your arse off and think you are covered under the constitution, you are mistaken.

Jason I couldnt agree with you more. <br /><br /><br />Yeah we live in a country where we have more freedoms than any other, but those freedoms shouldnt interupt the good of the whole. I feel saying "F you" to a teacher as a student whether it is deserved or not does just that.<br /><br />I agree with the wisdom coming with age. Its nieve to think that it doesnt. Its also nieve to think that at 20 years old you have enough of it, or more of it than people who have expirienced raising kids etc.

 

[Pony]

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ZmOz said:<br /> None of you have the slightest idea what kind of experience I've had in my life, and alot of you are simply lumping me in with the other 20 year olds looking for jobs while they're smoking pot.

Another blanket statement that you shouldnt ever have made............<br /><br />likewise you don't have the slightest clue of some of our expiriences. I for one thing think you dont respect that based on your other blanket "kmart" statement. Lost a lot of respect for you on that one

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by .Pony.:<br />likewise you don't have the slightest clue of some of our expiriences. I for one thing think you dont respect that

So it's ok for everyone else to disrespect my opinion without having a clue about me, but it's not ok for me to do the same?<br /><br />I agree I have been very rude to some people in this thread. I was just returning the favor. You kick me, I kick you. You kick me again I kick you harder.

 

[Pony]

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No its not ok for anyone to disrespect your opinion, I for one already said you are entitled to it, I just didnt agree with it.........

 

[Kalian]

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Zmoz, the problem with your opinion is that it's way out there. It encourages parents to allow there kids to disrespect authority. <br /> Just to put it in perspective, If I said that my opinion is that parents should give their kids everything they request, and should not be disciplined because it encourages negative vibes, wouldn't you respond to that? It may be a more extreme opinion than yours, buts it's still obviously wrong.<br /> I hope when you're older you come around. And I think you probably will. Just think back on some of the opinions you had 10 years ago and see where you stand on them today.

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br />If I said that my opinion is that parents should give their kids everything they request, and should not be disciplined because it encourages negative vibes, wouldn't you respond to that? It may be a more extreme opinion than yours, buts it's still obviously wrong.

I'd say that's your opinion and you're 100% entitled to it. I wouldn't say it's wrong and it wouldn't be if that really was your opinion. Nobody's opinion is ever wrong. I might ask you to further explain why or tell you why my opinion is different, but I'm not going to tell you yours is wrong and you need to grow up. THAT would be wrong.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> Nobody's opinion is ever wrong.

Was Hitlers opinion right?

 

[heycods]

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Who wrote and sang that song hes a little hard headed humm cant remember its hell getting old.

 

[rodbolt]

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yep another 10-20 years will do it. you will find that as you get older you pick your battles more carefully, just cause ya get kicked dont mean squat. sometimes kicking back is not worthit.<br /> one thing I found in the past 30 years is when ya get in a urinating contest ya get urine all over ya.<br /> I know a lot of folks in their mid twenties that have or had very succesful business's. some still have them and some made poor life choices and lost everything, a few have lost their lives.<br /> some that had succesful business's when we were all in our mid twenties made poor choices cause they had no mileage and all the answers, as they were vastly smarter than the rest of the world they listened to no one. now they have nothing.<br /> myself I made some poor choices as a teen that still hinder me. my IQ is someplace about 138 and my AFQT scores were about 80,and I took it 10 years after high school.<br />doesnt mean I am any smarter or any better than anyone else. it does mean that I should not have made some of the poor choices I made as a late teen.<br /> one was getting married at 19. marriage did last 22 years though. <br /> but I never went back to school to learn how to be an adult took me another 10 years to do that. but ya cant judge folk by what watch they wear or car they drive. I have a horse,couple cats,8, 6 or 7 boats, not real sure anymore, I take 4 trips or so a year to venezuela. I have been self employed for 15 years or so. some years I make a lot more than some of my collge educaated friends other years I dont. I drive a couple old cars, I problly give away half of what I make to something. I have a few older customers in their 70's I take care of. they cant afford to pay me so I work something out so they feel good and I feel good and they get to set pots and nets everyday.<br /> its not about the money. its about how many folks will attend your funeral and how many will still place flowers on your headstone 2 years after your planted.<br /> thats the measure of a man in the end.

 

[deeep water]

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we have come so far and done so much to ourselves,, we have let it happen so now we begin again to teach and learn

 

[agitator]

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Pray for strength and wisdom JB, youve got another one on your hands.

 

[Fly Rod]

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ZmOz<br /><br />You bring up a good point about constitutional rights and 1st amendment rights,which every American has, man, woman or child!!! and "PotHeads" feel that they have a constitutional right to smoke pot under a medical prescription which the Federal government does not recognize as a constitutional right,(it's illegal)and I'm sure you disagree!!!<br /><br />Well, when in a public place amongest a group of other people and a person(child in school) is profusely using vulcarity, that is upsetting to other people then their constitutional rights are balanced by appropriate public behavoir, therefore the majority shall rule and the estabishment should take appropriate action towards that person!!!!<br /><br />And one last question on constitutional rights!!!!<br /><br />Where are the "Dixie Chicks Today"??????

 

[rolmops]

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I think we should look at this use of rude language thing in a very different way.<br />In order to make our society work in a smooth and effective way we need some basic rules that guarantee a minimal amount of respect for our fellow man.Something like the 10 commandments for instance.<br />The choice of words being used in a given situation expresses respect or disrespect for our fellow men.<br />Whether giving a fine for cursing is the right way to go about it is debatable,but the intention is certainly laudable.<br />It is often said that flattery is the grease that makes society run.The use of proper language prevents misunderstanding and conflict.There is absolutely nothing wrong with directing pupils towards the most effective tools in communication and steering them away from the ones that cause conflict.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Well said.....The use of vulgarity never makes anyone appear intelligent.....JK

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> Well said.....The use of vulgarity never makes anyone appear intelligent.....JK

dam right!