Vessel Boarding

[alaskanassassin]

Re: Vessel Boarding

I was boarded once on Lake Superior while trolling. I had all safety requirements in order plus a few that were not required. When they boarded me, they dragged my boat over a reef and caught my downrigger balls on it and almost ripped the downrigger mounts off and I had to cut the cables. We were ticketed for my boat registration numbers because they were scuffed up and "not easily readable from a distance". They wanted me to replace them and bring my boat back to be inspected afterwords. This was 8 hours away from my house round trip. We had words, and I was not impressed. I was told I could face a $10000 fine for not complying. I handled it with their commanding officer, and had my boat inspected by the local office about 15minutes from the house. Another time, we blew a cooling manifold on the boat I was on in a busy shipping channel with 1000' container ships and ore boats coming through. We radioed for assistance and the coast guard was there in minutes to give us a tow out of the way. They were a VERY professional crew and were courtious and polite. Love em or hate em, coasties may someday save your rear end from a bad situation. I don't agree with a lot of their policies and actions but they sure come in handy when you need them. Now that I am in Alaska, and fish in no man's land, I really appreciate having them close by. I have everything I need on board according to the law, so come on and board me if you want. I also did a voulantary safety inspection recently by the CG auxilery and got a saftey decal for the boat, now I likely won't get boarded. Check into it.

 

[Fireman431]

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The state with the most shore line is Alaska which has 6640 miles. Florida
has 1350 miles.

My bad...maybe I should have worded that as "Continental United States". But then again, unless your a crab fisherman, Alaska fishing isn't more than 6 months a year, is it? I can fish all year with nothing more than a light jacket!

Besides...aren't we considering giving Alaska to Russia or something?

 

[HappierWet]

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My daughter is in the coastguard on the east coast. She told me her station must do 6 boardings a day to keep federal funding for that station, and must do no less then 4 hrs every 12 on patrol. They need no reson to stop you because they are federal. The State needs a reson LOL thats why they like to patrol with the coasties....I always get into arguments with her but its true when the coastguard stops you, you basicly have no rights because you are now under federal juristriction, they can strip search you if they want, tow you into port and rip your boat apart for fun, not that they actually do this but this power was given to them because the goverment uses 911 as a exuse to take our rights away. They were switched over to homeland security from being actually military.



If you dont like it you should write your congressman like I did but they seem not to care cause they are to buisy cheating on their wives, getting arrested for DUI, or haveing sex in airport bathrooms with men!
Denny

Excuse Me??? I do not consent to being searched. Force the authorities to do their job under color of LAW. Not just a "mere encounter".
Under Terry vs. Ohio the SCOTUS decided that law enforcement have to have resonable articulate suspicion of crime about to be committed, has been committed, or is being committed. Also ask the boarding officer " Am I being detained?"
I am not a lawyer, but I am NOT giving up my constitutional rights either.

 

[jkust]

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The state with the most shore line is Alaska which has 6640 miles. Florida
has 1350 miles.

Yes it's a 4 year old thread but Minnesota has 90,000 miles of shoreline.

 

[HappierWet]

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Yes it's a 4 year old thread but Minnesota has 90,000 miles of shoreline.

Geez, You guys let a tractor tire rut fill with water, call it a lake, AND .....

NOW, claim 90,000 miles of shoreline........




<jk>

 

[Daley]

Re: Vessel Boarding

At the end of the day (or during, as the case may be), they're *humans* and subject to interpretation. Sure, there are quotas to fill and I get that, but if everything's in line, what's the problem? I've been boarded - showed 'em what they wanted to see, they checked me off on their list and moved on. Was I irritated? Hell yes, but it's not them that I'm pissed at - it's the morons that direct them that have never been on the water, so they really have no clue what's *really* going on.

As previously mentioned by several others, they have a job to do. Some of 'em take it to the extreme (like the ones that didn't have any friends in school, so they figure they'll get a badge to finally be able to assert some authority). But many *many* others don't - those are the ones that we fellow boaters should respect. They don't make a great deal of money for the job they do - they do it for the love of the job. Those are the ones I have the respect for. It's the same as the cops on the roadways. Yeah I got pulled over on the highway cuz I was going 15 over, but I was following traffic. Cop had a bone to pick (maybe he didn't get laid, maybe he saw a car that *appeared* to be able to pay the fine - lol) but I wasn't doing anything that others weren't, so I was polite, courteous and matter-of-fact about it. I got out of a ticket.

Bottom-line: you have no way of knowing if the coastie in question is having a bad day or genuinely SUSPECTED something awry. Be an adult, and go to bed knowing that YOU did what was right. If things don't turn out right in your mind, you DO have recourse.

I'm not Mr. Law-man, but I'm not against 'em either. I do what I feel is right, within the confines of the law. If there's a dispute, there are appropriate channels to handle such. Yeah it's a PITA, but on the same token you don't have to pay to get rescued either. Think about that for a second. They may save your life someday - or better yet, your kids'.

 

[Outsider]

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I can fish all year with nothing more than a light jacket!

Yeah, but you're still in Florida.

Water patrols stop so many boaters because they have to stay busy. Way too many folks were betching because they saw them just floating around. Jeez, it ain't gonna change, so just deal with it ... or you can bow your neck if you have the time and money to waste.

Nancy Pelosi's Favorite Word is 'The Word', and It Ain't a Bible​

 

[dgopetactical]

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Excuse Me??? I do not consent to being searched. Force the authorities to do their job under color of LAW. Not just a "mere encounter".
Under Terry vs. Ohio the SCOTUS decided that law enforcement have to have resonable articulate suspicion of crime about to be committed, has been committed, or is being committed. Also ask the boarding officer " Am I being detained?"
I am not a lawyer, but I am NOT giving up my constitutional rights either.

I agree with you....but from what i understand state and.local law inforcement follows different sop's then federal does.....+ we all know if any leo wants to search us they will find reason....first mistake is questioning an officers questions, i found that out first hand on a traffic stop one day...they dont like when you tell them they are violating you rights. Lol belive me, you will be violated..

 

[HappierWet]

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I agree with you....but from what i understand state and.local law inforcement follows different sop's then federal does.....+ we all know if any leo wants to search us they will find reason....first mistake is questioning an officers questions, i found that out first hand on a traffic stop one day...they dont like when you tell them they are violating you rights. Lol belive me, you will be violated..

I would NEVER suggest argueing with muchless resisting an officer. However, there are some things you can do that change the playing field, and the way the officer conducts himself. Failing that you give the judge reason to chew him out.
Things like asking " Am I being detained" or " Am I free to go", also stating very clearly " I do not consent to being searched " it probably won't stop a JBT, but he can't turn around and say without perjuring himself ( and cops NEVER lie ) that it was a mere encounter. Federal or otherwise, LEO s have certain laws they have to follow as well.
Again, I am not a lawyer. Your results may vary. YADA YADA YADA
The CONSTITUTION.....read it, know it, LOVE it.

Never surrender your god given ( constitutional ) rights.

 

[ezmobee]

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As this is an over 4 year old thread and gotten way too political it's getting closed.