US Coast Guard

angus63

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I never thought of myself as a "Jack booted thug". Interesting description. What does it mean exactly?
Jack boots are polished leather boots that rise above the calf. They were part of the uniform for many special units of the German military and gov't during WWII. Tactics used by those wearing this accessory were often brutal to extract info or impart fear. Hence the term "Jackbooted Thugs". It now is directed at any type of enforcement that is deemed a non-PC approach to protecting and serving the public.
 

sunaj

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Probable Cause, has been for most of my lifetime the rock of our right to privacy and freedom in our society, to go about our lives unmolested by our goverrment, except for good reason. That this "good reason" may be an arbitrary line that is contested and argued does in no way nullify the good benefit and neccessity of having the institution.
If you were as non chalante about privacy rights in your civic life as some seem to be regarding their watercraft, you would find yourself having to put up with police, pulling you over for a speeding ticket, and then using this as an excuse to search you and your entire car, in order to bust you, or coming home from a hunting trip, and being flagged into an inspection center by CHP, F&G, and searching you, inspecting your guns, your car, and going through your camping supplies, looking for poached game, or license infractions, etc., or the police just randomly stopping cars on Saturday night, looking for violators.....(oh S! that IS what is happening-
Because people became non chalante about privacy rights, strong legal protections/precedents that curb the abuse of police powers, and keep government from violating our persons, by searches, putting the burden on law enforcement to show cause first BEFORE engaging in the act of searching a free (once?) citizen of our country, who has rights.

(But Mr. Jefferson!)
 

obezag

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Haut, no I haven't looked down the barrel and hope I never do! That does seem ultra extreme. I might be calling gov. officials and the local news if it did! But I can also see two sides. What possible reason would there be to stop a van heading for the Murrah Building in Oklahoma? If we ever did get treated like you did out on the lake my whole attitude might change. I know I wouldn't be happy about it. Until it does I give law enforcement anywhere my full support.
 

tashasdaddy

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the inland captains, do not face the problem of the ocean port captains. any boat returning from outside the jetties, getting inside restricted zones, and inside military zones, are probably cause for boarding.
 

jay_merrill

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Yesterday I was out fishing with a woman that I just started seeing. We were having a great time, fishing a little but mostly talking and getting to know one another. Not long before the approach of sunset, a Wildlife and Fisheries boat approached and pulled up along side of us for an "inspection." This inspection consisted entirely of a question as to whether we had two PFDs. Since we were at anchor in a protected bay, we didn't have them on but mine was draped over the windshield, and hers was sitting on a seat. The officers smiled when they saw them, and thanked us for our time. We then engaged in a little "isn't it a great day" chit chat and said goodbye to one another. That was it - they didn't even ask if we had caught any fish and, if so, how many.

So, we had an exchange of about two minutes with a couple of guys who were merely interested in our well being. Jack booted thugs? I don't think so. More like, just a couple of nice guys who saw a boat that wasn't moving in a somewhat remote area, and decided to make sure all was well while doing a PFD check at the same time.

As for staring at the barrels of M16s, I stared at them for months after Hurricane Katrina. The were ANG personnel, hummers, helicopters, and sand colored trucks of various descriptions, all over the place. There were also military checkpoints in different locations. I had to show my "papers" (driver's license to show address) at one, just so I could return to my house shortly after the storm. I also had to obtain a special pass to move in and out of my Parish, and I had to pass through a military checkpoint, just to go to the only big box home improvement store that was open for weeks after the storm. Then there were the curfews and total access restrictions - simply put, if you violated them, you were subject to immediate arrest.

I doubt that there are more than a handful of people frequenting the iboats forums who have ever lived under martial law for any period of time. The message that I would like to deliver to those of you who have not, but feel that a simple vessel inspection is a gross violation of your civil liberties, is that you need to put things in perspective. Even if the boarding officers are a bit obnoxious (yes, I have run into those too), displaying a positive and open demeanor usually calms things down very quickly. From that point, as long as you are doing nothing wrong, things tend to go smoothly and the encounter is over in a few minutes. Contrasted with having a nervous 18 year old actually pointing an M16 at your head, because he came across you in the process of checking out a friend's house for her, the occassional boat inspection really isn't a big deal.
 

Uraijit

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Oh no there we go again.:rolleyes:

WE ARZ LOZING OUR RGTZZ TO TEH EVOLZ BUS HITLERZ!!!

Geez! Get a grip.:rolleyes:

Doubt any of you know or care, but Bush just signed a new law 18 mos. ago, that literally does away with Habeas Corpus. Nobody heard about it, cause there were these REALLY important wildfires going on, and nobody had any time to report it...

'Course, it seems you dumbasses wouldn't have much cared anyway. Pathetic...
 

Benny1963

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because the cops dont have a boat
and the coast guard has a boat and a gun.lol
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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^^^^^^yup I might be ingnorant on somethings, but it doesn't deserve being called that.
I would think that the bearer of that bad word would be using that orifice to hide their contraband. That is what my definition of a Dumbarse is.......
 

bekosh

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Doubt any of you know or care, but Bush just signed a new law 18 mos. ago, that literally does away with Habeas Corpus. Nobody heard about it, cause there were these REALLY important wildfires going on, and nobody had any time to report it...

'Course, it seems you dumbasses wouldn't have much cared anyway. Pathetic...
And you are aware of course that that law ONLY applies to non-US citizens? And ONLY if they are engaged in hostilities with the US?

Or are you the one being a dumbass?:rolleyes:
 

SnappingTurtle

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I never thought of myself as a "Jack booted thug". Interesting description. What does it mean exactly?

Hey Drowned Rat,
your welcome on my boat any time you would like visit! :D

I might ask you to remove "Jack boots" though. :rolleyes: I just painted, and I wouldn't want to scratch it. :D

Want to know how good we have it in America, move somewhere else for awhile. I feel like kissing border control every time I land in the States. :p I always get a "friendly smile" & a "welcome home".
 

arboldt

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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin

Only once have we been stopped on the water. That was on an inland lake by a sheriff's patrol. Once we showed him our life jackets and fire extinguisher, he wished us a good day, and we were both headed off in different directions. I don't regard that 2 or 3 minutes as offensive. Instead, I was kinda glad to know the lake had some safety patrol.

The overall question is what is the optimal balance of liberty and safety. Alas, that optimal position is constantly shifting. There are doubtless many overly offensive LEOs just as there are many offensive idiots on the water -- or anywhere else on this planet.

I have to agree that reasonable probable cause must be required for other than a simple courtesy check (like we had). On the other hand, these agencies have much more experience of recognizing probable felonious behaviour than the rest of us.

It's all about balance and courtesy all around.
 

jay_merrill

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Interesting link, TD. I don't hang around the party spots so I don't see the nonsense that goes on - its quite an eye opener. What struck me about the vids the most, is how many times boaters make their situation worse by acting like jerks. I hope that the folks who get upset about boat inspections watch all of these videos, because it might give them an idea how important it is to keep the drunks and idiots off of the water.
 

bekosh

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Don't let shows like that turn you off from going to sandbars and having a good time. Even at the party spots, that type of behavior is the exception, not the rule.
 

tashasdaddy

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bekosh, i agree. the area in Ponce Inlet, Daytona, has a great sandbar. and the people do respect each other. is also different, in that there is much more room. we were there Memorial Day, and there were probably 700 boats moored around the sandbar, (disappearing island).
 
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