(update) need help with boat drainage? (foam in bilge???) W/ pic

Kiwifisher

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Re: need help with boat drainage? (foam in bilge???) W/ pic

Re: need help with boat drainage? (foam in bilge???) W/ pic

It seems that the builder was not worried about water down there????

. Hmmm..... still confused. What was the builder thinking about water drainage when he designed this boat??

chad

Yip, That is the problem these days. Builders just build the boat as cheaply as possible and to just last the warranty period. They have no incentive to see a boat last 30 or 40 years. In my experience, no matter how well a deck is sealed, water always seem to find a way in. It is therefore imperative to have proper drainage paths to your bilge area. For my own peace of mind I would go with woodies idea or something very similar. That would also give you a chance to see the condition of the stringers and transom.
 

silveraire

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Re: (update) need help with boat drainage? (foam in bilge???) W/ pic

yup, it seems that woods idea is the one that is going to be the solution. I'm just dreading a tearout in the middle of boating season with limited time on my hands so as it is.

thanks for all the ideas and replies. keep em coming.

chad
 

silveraire

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adding under deck fuel tank

adding under deck fuel tank

I would like to add a belly tank to my boat. I know I've seen a few really good threads in the past on this, but for the life of me I can't come up with any on the search now. Not shure if I'm going to be using alum/plastic yet. Looking for info on drainage/venting of compartment ideas.

thanks,
chad
 

silveraire

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hmm, nobody? Any ideas on some good links then?
 

bear_69cuda

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Try Sleeper6's build titled "Project Log" Runabout to fishing machine... Incredible build!
 

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to add a belly tank......you allmost have to do a deck job.

you have to remove the carpet....then cut the center portion of the deck out...

add a bulkhead fore and aft of where you want the tank...

get the tank.....make sure it fits under the deck and between the stringers....

then run plumbing for a fill valve,,,,,and motor fuel line..as well as a tank vent.
the pickup....is usually placed somewhere near the motor....

as far as venting......the aft bulkhead is usually only a partial with the open end near the motor cage on an i/o...that way a blower can ehxaust the fumes if any from the tank.

takes a good weekend for a diy
 

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No carpet in the boat. I have to make some changed to a decent size area of the rear of the deck already. this is what I started with when I got the boat. there was no drainage of the fuel compartment, makeshift scuppers, and no access to the bilge area/no pump. Alot of this is going to be torn out and I was going to do the tank while I was doing the rest. Bear, I will check out sleeper's build. ty.

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Sooo... Chad, Help me understand why you started a new thread about your boat and the tank when you already have a thread started on it. It really makes it hard to follow what's going on with it when you start multiple threads. New guys can't benefit from all the others input.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=491466&p=3327691#post3327691

Have you done any work on the boat since June? Do you have any updated pics? Have you decided how you are going to fabricate the deck and drainage?
 

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thanks woodie.....merging now
 

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bump
 

silveraire

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Well, wood, I guess it makes sence to combine these threads. I didn't think about it really. My intent was to get an understanding on how to install an underdeck fuel tank. Well, maybe even not how to install it, but how to install it correctly. I've read and heard enough info on the subject to make me dangerous.

questions like what material tank shoul I use, if and how I have to vent the area around the tank. Can it vent into the bilge area. How to plumb the lines so they don't rub etc.

I was trying to understand what I saw as a seperate subject than my drainage issue, but was going to combine into one project here shortly in the future. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh, and btw, nope, havn't done a thing to the boat other than plan, finally have a little budget to work with.

chad
 

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ez, thats the way I was thinking also. I have heard of plastic tanks permiating(sp?) fumes and was concerned about that. Like I said, I have read enough just to confuse me and be dangerous. I'm still trying to figure out what size tank to go with. I think that a 25 gallon tank would be realistic for most of my trips, but not shure if I shouldn't go with the largest tank I can fit. Never hurts to just fill the tank half way. another thing I'm trying to figure out is if I need to vent the compartment or just the tank.

Just trying to get my ducks in a row before I start this project.

chad
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: adding under deck fuel tank

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Here is my suggestion for the first half of this thread..... cut out a 6"-8" hole in the "false floor". Purchase and install a small high quality bilge pump with a good float switch or sensor and a quality smooth bore hose routed to a location at least 6" and better yet 12"-18" above water level.
Then put the tank back in and strap it down. Next construct a cover for the area and seal it to the sole and transom with 4200..... Yeah you might have to pull it up in 10 years or so to service the pump.

EDIT: the tank WOULD have to have remote fill and vent to be enclosed. If The tank compartment was to be left open you could install an inspection port under it for bilge pump access.

The second half I'd say is pretty well covered above.

EDIT: the tank must be vented overboard.... the bilge (compartment) does not need vented
 

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ez, thats the way I was thinking also. I have heard of plastic tanks permiating(sp?) fumes and was concerned about that. Like I said, I have read enough just to confuse me and be dangerous

New regulations have probably pretty much solved that. That's why they're so friggin expensive!
 

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Just thinking here.(mostly ideas from you all) If I would install a 8" or so access plate in the middle of the compartment(orange circle) to install the bilge and give me access to it. then install deck drains on each side of the rear of the compartment to drain the compartment into the bilge.(yellow circle, can only see one in the pic) We would have to see the best way to get them to drain into the bilge after I cut out for the access plate. then glass the transom hole in(red arrow) Still using the compartment to mount a larger fuel tank.

I would prob craft a half cover for the front of the compartment to cover the area where we are able to walk to avoid falling in.

the good bad ugly of that idea?

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Using something like this for the drains.

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chad
 

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Re: adding under deck fuel tank

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Ok, so its very early or very late, which ever way you want to look at it, but I will put in my .02 in. The stern imo is not an ideal place for the fuel tank. Adds weight to the stern and is located where all the water runs to in the aft.

Imo, you should cut the deck forward and install a new "aluminum' tank near the center of the boat. I would shoot for maybe a 35 to 40 gallon tank, this would probably be enough to run a weekend on that boat without refueling. Maybe between where your seats are located for the helm area would be a good location. This will obviously be more work but I think it will be worth it if you plan on keeping the boat.

Since you have a single hull with no interior gunnel skin, I would add a channel glassed in on the side leading to the new tank area to the side gunnel so you can run a fill tube to the gunnel. Then add a vent line outside the hull with a fitting. The fuel compartment should have bulkheads built all the way up to the deck as to not allow fumes to the bilge area. You want to isolate fumes, not spread them around into the bilge. One sprak from a faulty wire or bilge pump can cause bad nthings to happen. This is why you won't see drains leading anywhere from a fuel compartment either, if it leaks every, you don't want it leaking everywhere.

The back compartment, "if not ripped out while doing the new tank install forward" can be split into 2 or 3 sections via a little glass work. Looking towards stern, left of compartment could be a livewell with water intake through existing hole cut for drainage. Right side could be access hatch at bottom for new bilge pump install in the bilge and then storage of plano boxes or tackle box above access hatch. Then make cover/lid for that area.

Foaming in the fuel tank no matter what its size when put into a hull in a small boat is a good idea imo, it keeps it from moving around under bad conditions when the boat is pounding. I have seen plenty of fasteners fail, especially when installed into old stringers. Also seen plenty of welds that have broken tabbed onto a tank. These tabs main purpose usually is to positon the tank and hold it into place while foam is added imo.

The other option for the stern if you do move a tank forward is to get rid of the slash well all together and make a solid floor going all the way back to your transom. Then simply install a access pie plate or hatch towards the stern for a bilge pump install/inspection. This will allow for a fold down/ removable splash well to be installed and open up the stern for better fishing and access to the motor.

Also, last but not least, install larger drains for the self bailing deck, going up in size from 3/4 inch drains to 1 1/4 will drain the deck twice if not 3 times faster.

If there is no foam in this boat as you stated, I would add some when doing the restore or tank install. The deck in the stern looks like its delaminated anyway, so might as well rip the deck up.;) I will be very surprised if you don't find some foam under the deck of that boat. Alot of boats that size were required to be positve floatation filled. The stern may not have any because it is bilge area. may install a inspection hatch forward and see what you find. maybe between the seats at the helm where a future tank might be installed.:) Good luck.
 

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Re: adding under deck fuel tank

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Just thinking here.(mostly ideas from you all) If I would install a 8" or so access plate in the middle of the compartment(orange circle) to install the bilge and give me access to it. then install deck drains on each side of the rear of the compartment to drain the compartment into the bilge.(yellow circle, can only see one in the pic) We would have to see the best way to get them to drain into the bilge after I cut out for the access plate. then glass the transom hole in(red arrow) Still using the compartment to mount a larger fuel tank.

I would prob craft a half cover for the front of the compartment to cover the area where we are able to walk to avoid falling in.

the good bad ugly of that idea?......
chad

Chad, the whole point of a self bailing deck is to NOT GET water in the bilge. Instead of draining that compartment to the bilge, just leave the drain in it as is.... if the possibility of getting a little water in that area bothers you, add another small bilge pump next to the tank or cover the whole section so that water never gets in it.
 
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