? Understanding the Muslim Extremist view point

[Limited-Time]

What is it about human rights, education, and personal freedom, that so terrifies the Muslim Extremist? I don't get it.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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The "Magna Carta" was signed less than 800 years ago, before that every one answered to their respective king.....We didn't stop answering to the king until 230 years ago....They hate us because we are invaders & christians & jews, and have been invaders for 800 years or so.....They hate us for the doctrine we preach, time may change things, but it is hard to break traditions......JK

 

[bootle]

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Religious extremists preach and practice hate, it matters not what cloak they wear.<br /><br />It so happens that muslim extremists have been allowed to run amok with the support of governments that saw this as a method of wielding power to harshly subjugate their citizenry.

 

[Limited-Time]

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Blind faith? Devout adherence to archaic beliefs? Or is it a control issue, ya know keep ‘em dumb, down on the farm, barefoot and pregnant? You can do any thing you want as long as I say so?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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You must have misread the topic, this is a Muslim question, not a Catholic one ....JK

 

[treedancer]

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I think I have it figured out .the extreme portion of the Muslim religion is the anti Christ.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

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Originally posted by Limited-Time:<br /> Blind faith? Devout adherence to archaic beliefs? Or is it a control issue, ya know keep ‘em dumb, down on the farm, barefoot and pregnant? You can do any thing you want as long as I say so?

That would be a precise representation of the medieval culture which we are up against, sadly they possess modern weaponery.

 

[Nos4r2]

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Thats frighteningly accurate Elmer.

 

[Link]

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These people crap and wipe their butt with thier left hand and pull a trigger with their right hand! <br />Thank your "what ever God" that "I" wasn't in charge of the United States! After 911 ! <br />I would have turned their sands into Glass!

 

[12Footer]

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Given the chance to fly an aircraft into a pack of these muslim extremist whack-jobs (what i refer to as "terrorists"), i would return the gesture of 9/11 in a heartbeat!!<br />I do not want to "understand" them. I want to wipe them off the face of the earth, as fevrishly as they have demonstrated their own intent towards me and my family.<br />For lack of a better term for my personal "feelings" toward them, i am "at war"<br /> with the mutant scum.

 

[18rabbit]

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Don’t know exactly what the Muslim culture is, don’t care, either. Until those folks start policing their own, and renounce that book of theirs as an interesting historical perspective that is no longer fit for life in today’s world, each and every one of them is a potential enemy capable of causing me and my neighbors harm. They are not to be trusted.<br /><br />Whatever is in their book that allowed OBL to rise to the level of hate that he did, and to act out upon that hate with full support of his fellow Muslims, hasn’t gone away. It is just a matter of time before some other young man picks up that book and interprets it in the same way.

 

[tomatolord]

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Here are some quotes from the Quran to help.<br /><br />Yes there are moderate Muslims - those basically trying to convert those by faith not arms - the "modern" muslims realize that the modern societies will simply kick them out to go back to live in their mud huts in afghanistan or pakistan - an option they do not want.<br /><br />Many of the ancient religions - even catholics - had little room for women. Even in the US women could only vote a short while ago.<br /><br />The answer is let Oil get to $80 a barrel and then the market will flood with alternative sources of energy.<br /><br />The answer to the muslims is to get off of oil, not to stomp 1 ant at a time.<br /><br />some Quran quotes<br /><br /><br />[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. <br /><br />[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.<br /><br />[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. <br /><br />[8.55] Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.

 

[jtexas]

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Consider the Spanish Inquistion.<br /><br />How about a semi-serious answer:<br />I'm no scholar of Islamic texts, but here's a point of view I've put together from various sources. Anybody jump in and correct whatever I get wrong.<br /><br />Some background: The qu'ran was written by Mohammed who is their premier prophet; I mention that to distinguish it from the Christian Bible which is a compilation of works by various authors which took centuries to complete. Abraham (recognized as a prophet by Christians, Jews and Muslims) had two sons Isaac and Ishmael (maybe more but these two are featured). Isaac's descendants became the Jews and Ishmael's descendants became the Persians and ultimately, Muslims.<br /><br />The qu'ran makes no allowances for a secular government. In an Islamic state, Islamic law and civil law are one and the same. To make it analogous to Christianity, if Jesus hadn't made it clear that His followers were to respect the civil law, we couldn't call ourselves a "Christian nation" without adopting the full canon of Jewish Law from the Old Testament as our only governing statutes. That might be an exageration I'm not sure. Disclaimer: not everybody calls us a "Christian nation" yada yada yada, it's just an example.<br /><br />Once you have an "Islamic State", the qu'ran gives Muslims clear direction to defend themselves against any party whose goal is to destroy Islam. And to expel or kill "infidels" within their borders.<br /><br />"Infidels" means anybody who doesn't believe in their God. "Allah" is an arabic word meaning god; their God is the God of Abraham (and Isaac and Ishmael), whom the Jews named Yahweh or Jehovah, and whom Christians believe to be the Father of Jesus. Same God as us basically.<br /><br />So Jews aren't "infidels". Neither are Christians, according to mainstream Islam. However, the qu'ran specifies that anybody who elevates any other gods to the same level as God (Allah, Yahweh), is also an infidel. Since ______ (fill in the date somebody), mainstream Islam has accorded Christians the courtesy of accepting our Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirt) as three attributes of One God (Three in One, so to speak).<br /><br />The extremist position, however, is that Jesus is a separate entity (he became a man, walked the earth, prayed to God, etc.) therefore we are worshipping multiple gods, therefore we are infidels.<br /><br />Add to that the extremist view that the qu'ran gives them a mandate to take the fight outside their borders, and presto, you have Jihad.<br /><br />Jihad is a war defending Islam from infidels...to die in Jihad is to become a martyr, which qualifies you for the virgins. Women can also get the virgins but I'm not sure whether that's such a benefit for them.<br /><br />They make the claim that we're out to destroy Islam, they convert a few more to the extremist view.

 

[bootle]

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jtexas, the qur'an was not written by the Prophet Mohammed, Mohammed was illiterate, the qur'an was compiled from his various sermons by scribes of the caliph uthman, but was not put into the form of a book somewhere around sixty years after the death of Mohammed.<br /><br />Tomatolord, I have a qur'an in my possession, and i'm trying to find the quotes which you have posted, does [4.89] mean chapter 4 verse 89 ?

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> Consider the Spanish Inquistion.<br /><br />How about a semi-serious answer:<br />I'm no scholar of Islamic texts, but here's a point of view I've put together from various sources. Anybody jump in and correct whatever I get wrong.<br /><br />Some background: The qu'ran was written by Mohammed who is their premier prophet; I mention that to distinguish it from the Christian Bible which is a compilation of works by various authors which took centuries to complete. Abraham (recognized as a prophet by Christians, Jews and Muslims) had two sons Isaac and Ishmael (maybe more but these two are featured). Isaac's descendants became the Jews and Ishmael's descendants became the Persians and ultimately, Muslims.<br /><br />The qu'ran makes no allowances for a secular government. In an Islamic state, Islamic law and civil law are one and the same. To make it analogous to Christianity, if Jesus hadn't made it clear that His followers were to respect the civil law, we couldn't call ourselves a "Christian nation" without adopting the full canon of Jewish Law from the Old Testament as our only governing statutes. That might be an exageration I'm not sure. Disclaimer: not everybody calls us a "Christian nation" yada yada yada, it's just an example.<br /><br />Once you have an "Islamic State", the qu'ran gives Muslims clear direction to defend themselves against any party whose goal is to destroy Islam. And to expel or kill "infidels" within their borders.<br /><br />"Infidels" means anybody who doesn't believe in their God. "Allah" is an arabic word meaning god; their God is the God of Abraham (and Isaac and Ishmael), whom the Jews named Yahweh or Jehovah, and whom Christians believe to be the Father of Jesus. Same God as us basically.<br /><br />So Jews aren't "infidels". Neither are Christians, according to mainstream Islam. However, the qu'ran specifies that anybody who elevates any other gods to the same level as God (Allah, Yahweh), is also an infidel. Since ______ (fill in the date somebody), mainstream Islam has accorded Christians the courtesy of accepting our Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirt) as three attributes of One God (Three in One, so to speak).<br /><br />The extremist position, however, is that Jesus is a separate entity (he became a man, walked the earth, prayed to God, etc.) therefore we are worshipping multiple gods, therefore we are infidels.<br /><br />Add to that the extremist view that the qu'ran gives them a mandate to take the fight outside their borders, and presto, you have Jihad.<br /><br />Jihad is a war defending Islam from infidels...to die in Jihad is to become a martyr, which qualifies you for the virgins. Women can also get the virgins but I'm not sure whether that's such a benefit for them.<br /><br />They make the claim that we're out to destroy Islam, they convert a few more to the extremist view.

Of their motives,faith, teachings, historic hatered of Christians and Jews, persecution by invaders, whatever eles is stuck up their "craw", for some odd reason, i could care less!!<br /><br />

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[bootle]

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12footer, for one to defeat one's enemies, one must fully know and understand the ways and capablities of one's enemy.

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> The "Magna Carta" was signed less than 800 years ago, before that every one answered to their respective king.....We didn't stop answering to the king until 230 years ago....They hate us because we are invaders & christians & jews, and have been invaders for 800 years or so.....They hate us for the doctrine we preach, time may change things, but it is hard to break traditions......JK

Who is the invader?<br /><br />Islam did not appear until about 700 years after Christianity. And several thousand years aftter Judaism. One thing is certain about Islam, though---they follow a doctrine of hate.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by Darth D Invader:<br /> 12footer, for one to defeat one's enemies, one must fully know and understand the ways and capablities of one's enemy.

Of course, you're correct. I know tactically, those who are protecting my country must infiltrate their lairs.And in order to do this sucessfully, they must understand the psyche of the mutants. But I was commenting from a personal perspective, and not a military one.<br />I could personally care less HOW they are defeated uttterly and with extreme prejudice, just that they are.<br />If you are interested in my opinion on that:<br /><br />I want our military victory over these scum, and have no concern over enemy losses.<br />Our own losses ,of course. But even these stats are out my hands, and assigned to those charged with national defense. Outside of giving my nation's military my total support, i want glass where mosques issuing fire upon colaition forces once stood.<br />I want this war waged in "Whateverstan", rather than NYC.

 

[bootle]

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I could'nt agree more, but i fear that our leaders have not the stomach necessary to uphold such decisive actions

 

[AK_Chappy]

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Originally posted by 12Footer:<br /> i want glass where mosques issuing fire upon colaition forces once stood.<br />I want this war waged in "Whateverstan", rather than NYC.

Originally posted by Darth D Invader:<br /> I could'nt agree more, but i fear that our leaders have not the stomach necessary to uphold such decisive actions

12'er and Darth,<br />From a personal standpoint, I agree with the facts that:<br />I want the war waged anywhere but on home soil.<br />I want the terrorists defeated PERIOD (read as dead)<br /><br />However Darth,<br />It isn't the military that doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to turn the Mid East to glass. It is the U.S. citizens that don't have the backbone for it. If that were to happen, the outcry would be tremendous. I do think that this war is different from Vietnam in the support of the troops. Our guys don't get spit on coming back. If we were to start destroying mosques and not worrying about civilian collateral damage, what would happen then. The politicians will not take the blame, the grunt in the field will. That is what happened in Vietnam. <br /><br />disclaimer: all of this is just my personal opinion. I was not old enough to remember the whole Vietnam era. <br /><br />AK Chappy